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Jan 24, 2022 19:22:45   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Rcki wrote:
It is true. Lincolns orders to his generals were " I want the women and children of the south to feel the horrors of war" . One of Shermans famous quotes was, " If a crow flies over Georgia he better bring his own lunch" They went to plantation after plantation Raping the women, soddamizing the children ,boy or girl, slaughtering livestock, burning crops, and when they were finished raping , they murdered them, took what they could from the crops and then burned the rest. It was noted that Sherman had developed a special talent, so after the war he went on to Genocide of the American Indian. I will say that the northern general, Gen. McClellan was an honorable man and would have no part of this. Lincoln then went to Sherman, Grant, and Sheridan who were ruthless enough to carry out his orders. General Lee was an Honorable Man and most likely was the greatest General this country has ever produced. He would not stoop to these same tactics, and most likely this was the reason for his surrender. And for the record the GENEVA convention did exist pre-civil war. It was not recognized by the ruthless war criminal Lincoln.
It is true. Lincolns orders to his generals were &... (show quote)


http://www.quebecoislibre.org/08/080815-2.htm

SIX BIG LIES ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN,
THE SLAVES AND THE WAR


The only thing new in the world is the history you don’t know. Almost everything that Americans in general and Republicans in particular think they know about Lincoln is a toxic mixture of myths, distortions and wicked lies.(1)

Founded in 1854, the Republican Party rose to prominence and power when its nominee, Abraham Lincoln, won the presidential election of 1860. To this day, many people regard it as the “Party of Lincoln” and historians and the general public have long considered Lincoln, next only to Washington, as America’s greatest president (see also "Rating the Presidents" by Pat Buchanan and "Down With the Presidency" by Lew Rockwell).

The first big lie, which is universally believed, is that Lincoln, dubbed the “Great Emancipator” by his cult of worshippers, went to war in order to free slaves. The abhorrence of racial injustice and the desire to abolish slavery played no role in the Union’s determination to strangle the Confederacy in its cradle. What did? One factor was Lincoln’s determination to preserve the Union at any cost – including the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. In 1862, Lincoln wrote to Horace Greeley (the leading Northern newspaperman of the day): “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it.” The bankers were telling Lincoln they wanted ALL the states to be a part of the Union, including those that had seceded.

Similarly, in 1861 Congress resolved that the purpose of the war was not “[to interfere] with the rights or established institutions of those states,” but to preserve the Union “with the rights of the several states unimpaired.” On the day that hostilities commenced at Fort Sumter (12 April 1861), only the seven states of the Deep South had seceded, there were more slaves within the Union than outside it and Lincoln hadn’t the slightest intention to free any of them. Alexis de Tocqueville’s observation in Democracy in America (1835-40) remained true: “The prejudice of race appears to be stronger in the states that have abolished slavery than in those where it still exists.”

Another factor that motivated war was the Republican Party’s lust (which, with few and brief exceptions, it has retained to the present day) to tax and spend. The North waged war against the South in order to regain the federal tax revenue that would be lost if the Southern states seceded peacefully.(2) Republicans were then, and remain today, a Party of Big Government. In Lincoln’s time, Republicans championed a high (i.e., protectionist) tariff. They used the proceeds – which were laundered through roads, canals, railways, etc. – to dispense lavish corporate welfare to their backers. To Republicans, the fact that tariffs, corporate welfare and the like favoured an anointed few (whose residences, factories, etc., were overwhelmingly in the North) and punished a benighted many (Southerners were mostly “outs” rather than “ins”) was inconsequential. What was essential, however, was that consumers, Southern as well as Northern, subsidise Republicans’ wealthy backers. Southerners’ unwillingness to subjugate themselves to Republicans ultimately drove them to secede.

In Lincoln’s view, only by keeping the Union intact – by force of arms if necessary – could Republicans’ lust to tax, dispense largesse and build an empire be sated. In his First Inaugural Address (4 March 1861), Lincoln threatened to invade any state that failed to collect federal “duties and imposts.” On 19 April, he rationalised his order to blockade Southern ports on the grounds that “the collection of the revenue cannot be effectually executed” in the states that had seceded.(3)

Lincoln the racist

A second wicked lie is that Lincoln championed natural rights and racial equality. Both his words and his deeds utterly repudiated any belief in or respect for these admirable principles. “I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races,” he announced in the first (21 August 1858) of his celebrated debates with Stephen Douglas. Like many and perhaps most other men of his time and place, Lincoln was an unapologetic and irredeemable racist: “I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favour of the race to which I belong having the superior position.” He added “Free them [slaves] and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this. We cannot, then, make them equals.”

No reasonable person can possibly deny Lincoln’s staunch and vociferous advocacy of apartheid and white supremacy.(4) On 17 July 1858, he said: “What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races.” And in the fourth of his debates with Douglas (on 18 September), he vowed: “I will to the very last stand by the law of this state, which forbids the marrying of white people with Negroes.” Lincoln enthusiastically supported the Illinois Constitution, which at that time prohibited the emigration of black people into the state; he also backed the infamous Illinois Black Codes, which deprived the small number of free blacks residing within the state any semblance of citizenship; and he applauded the Fugitive Slave Act (1850), which compelled Northerners to capture runaway slaves and return them to their owners.

Lincoln brought these shamelessly racist attitudes and pro-slavery policy preferences to the White House. In his First Inaugural Address, he promised to support a proposed constitutional amendment (that had just passed the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives) that would have prohibited the federal government from ever assuming the power “to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labour or service by the laws of said State.” Also in his First Inaugural, Lincoln proposed to make this constitutional amendment “express and irrevocable.” Finally, Lincoln was a lifelong advocate of “colonisation,” that is, of shipping all black people to Africa, Central America, Haiti – anywhere other than the U.S. “I cannot make it better known than it already is,” he stated in a Message to Congress (1 December 1862), “that I strongly favour colonisation.” Indeed, he favoured it so strongly that he was the president of the Illinois Colonization Society. To Dishonest Abe, African-Americans could only be “equal” once they had been expelled from the United States.

A third myth is that Lincoln’s war saved the Union. Clearly, it did so geographically; just as clearly, however, by destroying its voluntary nature – which the Founders had emphasised and which had been taken for granted thereafter – the war ruined the Union philosophically. In the Declaration of Independence (1776), Articles of Confederation (1777-1781) and Constitution (1788), the states described themselves as “free and independent.” These documents could not be clearer: states delegated specified powers to the federal government which they had created as their agent, and they retained ultimate sovereignty for themselves. When they put their signatures to the Declaration of Independence, America’s Founders announced the secession from the British Empire of the states which they represented; and when George III signed the peace treaty ending the war, he named all of the states individually. He waged war against thirteen states, not a single entity called “the United States Government.”

"Abraham Lincoln was not the Great Emancipator: he was the Great Warmonger and Imperialist, the Great Racist, the Great Taxer-and-Spender, the Great Corruptionist, the Great Incarcerator and the Great Vandal of the Constitution."

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Jan 24, 2022 20:27:48   #
Barbancon
 
Rcki wrote:
It is true. Lincolns orders to his generals were " I want the women and children of the south to feel the horrors of war" . One of Shermans famous quotes was, " If a crow flies over Georgia he better bring his own lunch" They went to plantation after plantation Raping the women, soddamizing the children ,boy or girl, slaughtering livestock, burning crops, and when they were finished raping , they murdered them, took what they could from the crops and then burned the rest. It was noted that Sherman had developed a special talent, so after the war he went on to Genocide of the American Indian. I will say that the northern general, Gen. McClellan was an honorable man and would have no part of this. Lincoln then went to Sherman, Grant, and Sheridan who were ruthless enough to carry out his orders. General Lee was an Honorable Man and most likely was the greatest General this country has ever produced. He would not stoop to these same tactics, and most likely this was the reason for his surrender. And for the record the GENEVA convention did exist pre-civil war. It was not recognized by the ruthless war criminal Lincoln.
It is true. Lincolns orders to his generals were &... (show quote)


That was the beginning of the fall of the United States of America into the barbarism of ideological total war. We’ve never recovered from the stain of that horrible war crime. Now the people of the Northeast are functional but ideological zombies.

The Americans that used to live their were driven out by these foreign ideologues of unknown provenance.

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Jan 24, 2022 20:39:11   #
Barbancon
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/08/080815-2.htm

SIX BIG LIES ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN,
THE SLAVES AND THE WAR


The only thing new in the world is the history you don’t know. Almost everything that Americans in general and Republicans in particular think they know about Lincoln is a toxic mixture of myths, distortions and wicked lies.(1)

Founded in 1854, the Republican Party rose to prominence and power when its nominee, Abraham Lincoln, won the presidential election of 1860. To this day, many people regard it as the “Party of Lincoln” and historians and the general public have long considered Lincoln, next only to Washington, as America’s greatest president (see also "Rating the Presidents" by Pat Buchanan and "Down With the Presidency" by Lew Rockwell).

The first big lie, which is universally believed, is that Lincoln, dubbed the “Great Emancipator” by his cult of worshippers, went to war in order to free slaves. The abhorrence of racial injustice and the desire to abolish slavery played no role in the Union’s determination to strangle the Confederacy in its cradle. What did? One factor was Lincoln’s determination to preserve the Union at any cost – including the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. In 1862, Lincoln wrote to Horace Greeley (the leading Northern newspaperman of the day): “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it.” The bankers were telling Lincoln they wanted ALL the states to be a part of the Union, including those that had seceded.

Similarly, in 1861 Congress resolved that the purpose of the war was not “[to interfere] with the rights or established institutions of those states,” but to preserve the Union “with the rights of the several states unimpaired.” On the day that hostilities commenced at Fort Sumter (12 April 1861), only the seven states of the Deep South had seceded, there were more slaves within the Union than outside it and Lincoln hadn’t the slightest intention to free any of them. Alexis de Tocqueville’s observation in Democracy in America (1835-40) remained true: “The prejudice of race appears to be stronger in the states that have abolished slavery than in those where it still exists.”

Another factor that motivated war was the Republican Party’s lust (which, with few and brief exceptions, it has retained to the present day) to tax and spend. The North waged war against the South in order to regain the federal tax revenue that would be lost if the Southern states seceded peacefully.(2) Republicans were then, and remain today, a Party of Big Government. In Lincoln’s time, Republicans championed a high (i.e., protectionist) tariff. They used the proceeds – which were laundered through roads, canals, railways, etc. – to dispense lavish corporate welfare to their backers. To Republicans, the fact that tariffs, corporate welfare and the like favoured an anointed few (whose residences, factories, etc., were overwhelmingly in the North) and punished a benighted many (Southerners were mostly “outs” rather than “ins”) was inconsequential. What was essential, however, was that consumers, Southern as well as Northern, subsidise Republicans’ wealthy backers. Southerners’ unwillingness to subjugate themselves to Republicans ultimately drove them to secede.

In Lincoln’s view, only by keeping the Union intact – by force of arms if necessary – could Republicans’ lust to tax, dispense largesse and build an empire be sated. In his First Inaugural Address (4 March 1861), Lincoln threatened to invade any state that failed to collect federal “duties and imposts.” On 19 April, he rationalised his order to blockade Southern ports on the grounds that “the collection of the revenue cannot be effectually executed” in the states that had seceded.(3)

Lincoln the racist

A second wicked lie is that Lincoln championed natural rights and racial equality. Both his words and his deeds utterly repudiated any belief in or respect for these admirable principles. “I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races,” he announced in the first (21 August 1858) of his celebrated debates with Stephen Douglas. Like many and perhaps most other men of his time and place, Lincoln was an unapologetic and irredeemable racist: “I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favour of the race to which I belong having the superior position.” He added “Free them [slaves] and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this. We cannot, then, make them equals.”

No reasonable person can possibly deny Lincoln’s staunch and vociferous advocacy of apartheid and white supremacy.(4) On 17 July 1858, he said: “What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races.” And in the fourth of his debates with Douglas (on 18 September), he vowed: “I will to the very last stand by the law of this state, which forbids the marrying of white people with Negroes.” Lincoln enthusiastically supported the Illinois Constitution, which at that time prohibited the emigration of black people into the state; he also backed the infamous Illinois Black Codes, which deprived the small number of free blacks residing within the state any semblance of citizenship; and he applauded the Fugitive Slave Act (1850), which compelled Northerners to capture runaway slaves and return them to their owners.

Lincoln brought these shamelessly racist attitudes and pro-slavery policy preferences to the White House. In his First Inaugural Address, he promised to support a proposed constitutional amendment (that had just passed the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives) that would have prohibited the federal government from ever assuming the power “to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labour or service by the laws of said State.” Also in his First Inaugural, Lincoln proposed to make this constitutional amendment “express and irrevocable.” Finally, Lincoln was a lifelong advocate of “colonisation,” that is, of shipping all black people to Africa, Central America, Haiti – anywhere other than the U.S. “I cannot make it better known than it already is,” he stated in a Message to Congress (1 December 1862), “that I strongly favour colonisation.” Indeed, he favoured it so strongly that he was the president of the Illinois Colonization Society. To Dishonest Abe, African-Americans could only be “equal” once they had been expelled from the United States.

A third myth is that Lincoln’s war saved the Union. Clearly, it did so geographically; just as clearly, however, by destroying its voluntary nature – which the Founders had emphasised and which had been taken for granted thereafter – the war ruined the Union philosophically. In the Declaration of Independence (1776), Articles of Confederation (1777-1781) and Constitution (1788), the states described themselves as “free and independent.” These documents could not be clearer: states delegated specified powers to the federal government which they had created as their agent, and they retained ultimate sovereignty for themselves. When they put their signatures to the Declaration of Independence, America’s Founders announced the secession from the British Empire of the states which they represented; and when George III signed the peace treaty ending the war, he named all of the states individually. He waged war against thirteen states, not a single entity called “the United States Government.”

"Abraham Lincoln was not the Great Emancipator: he was the Great Warmonger and Imperialist, the Great Racist, the Great Taxer-and-Spender, the Great Corruptionist, the Great Incarcerator and the Great Vandal of the Constitution."

con't
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/08/080815-2.htm br ... (show quote)


Anti-Americans love to play both sides (both the north and south were evil). Not so, but it would take longer than a few internet posts to prove why. Think context. Relative merits of the American experience compared to outside our borders. Framing and cherry picking are the tools of a liar.

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Jan 24, 2022 20:40:14   #
Barbancon
 
Barbancon wrote:
Anti-Americans love to play both sides (both the north and south were evil). Not so, but it would take longer than a few internet posts to prove why. Think context. Relative merits of the American experience compared to outside our borders. Framing and cherry picking are the tools of a liar.


That being said the northern war on southern civilians was pure barbarism and unforgivable.

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Jan 24, 2022 21:05:41   #
Ricki
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/08/080815-2.htm

SIX BIG LIES ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN,
THE SLAVES AND THE WAR


The only thing new in the world is the history you don’t know. Almost everything that Americans in general and Republicans in particular think they know about Lincoln is a toxic mixture of myths, distortions and wicked lies.(1)

Founded in 1854, the Republican Party rose to prominence and power when its nominee, Abraham Lincoln, won the presidential election of 1860. To this day, many people regard it as the “Party of Lincoln” and historians and the general public have long considered Lincoln, next only to Washington, as America’s greatest president (see also "Rating the Presidents" by Pat Buchanan and "Down With the Presidency" by Lew Rockwell).

The first big lie, which is universally believed, is that Lincoln, dubbed the “Great Emancipator” by his cult of worshippers, went to war in order to free slaves. The abhorrence of racial injustice and the desire to abolish slavery played no role in the Union’s determination to strangle the Confederacy in its cradle. What did? One factor was Lincoln’s determination to preserve the Union at any cost – including the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. In 1862, Lincoln wrote to Horace Greeley (the leading Northern newspaperman of the day): “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it.” The bankers were telling Lincoln they wanted ALL the states to be a part of the Union, including those that had seceded.

Similarly, in 1861 Congress resolved that the purpose of the war was not “[to interfere] with the rights or established institutions of those states,” but to preserve the Union “with the rights of the several states unimpaired.” On the day that hostilities commenced at Fort Sumter (12 April 1861), only the seven states of the Deep South had seceded, there were more slaves within the Union than outside it and Lincoln hadn’t the slightest intention to free any of them. Alexis de Tocqueville’s observation in Democracy in America (1835-40) remained true: “The prejudice of race appears to be stronger in the states that have abolished slavery than in those where it still exists.”

Another factor that motivated war was the Republican Party’s lust (which, with few and brief exceptions, it has retained to the present day) to tax and spend. The North waged war against the South in order to regain the federal tax revenue that would be lost if the Southern states seceded peacefully.(2) Republicans were then, and remain today, a Party of Big Government. In Lincoln’s time, Republicans championed a high (i.e., protectionist) tariff. They used the proceeds – which were laundered through roads, canals, railways, etc. – to dispense lavish corporate welfare to their backers. To Republicans, the fact that tariffs, corporate welfare and the like favoured an anointed few (whose residences, factories, etc., were overwhelmingly in the North) and punished a benighted many (Southerners were mostly “outs” rather than “ins”) was inconsequential. What was essential, however, was that consumers, Southern as well as Northern, subsidise Republicans’ wealthy backers. Southerners’ unwillingness to subjugate themselves to Republicans ultimately drove them to secede.

In Lincoln’s view, only by keeping the Union intact – by force of arms if necessary – could Republicans’ lust to tax, dispense largesse and build an empire be sated. In his First Inaugural Address (4 March 1861), Lincoln threatened to invade any state that failed to collect federal “duties and imposts.” On 19 April, he rationalised his order to blockade Southern ports on the grounds that “the collection of the revenue cannot be effectually executed” in the states that had seceded.(3)

Lincoln the racist

A second wicked lie is that Lincoln championed natural rights and racial equality. Both his words and his deeds utterly repudiated any belief in or respect for these admirable principles. “I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races,” he announced in the first (21 August 1858) of his celebrated debates with Stephen Douglas. Like many and perhaps most other men of his time and place, Lincoln was an unapologetic and irredeemable racist: “I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favour of the race to which I belong having the superior position.” He added “Free them [slaves] and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this. We cannot, then, make them equals.”

No reasonable person can possibly deny Lincoln’s staunch and vociferous advocacy of apartheid and white supremacy.(4) On 17 July 1858, he said: “What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races.” And in the fourth of his debates with Douglas (on 18 September), he vowed: “I will to the very last stand by the law of this state, which forbids the marrying of white people with Negroes.” Lincoln enthusiastically supported the Illinois Constitution, which at that time prohibited the emigration of black people into the state; he also backed the infamous Illinois Black Codes, which deprived the small number of free blacks residing within the state any semblance of citizenship; and he applauded the Fugitive Slave Act (1850), which compelled Northerners to capture runaway slaves and return them to their owners.

Lincoln brought these shamelessly racist attitudes and pro-slavery policy preferences to the White House. In his First Inaugural Address, he promised to support a proposed constitutional amendment (that had just passed the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives) that would have prohibited the federal government from ever assuming the power “to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labour or service by the laws of said State.” Also in his First Inaugural, Lincoln proposed to make this constitutional amendment “express and irrevocable.” Finally, Lincoln was a lifelong advocate of “colonisation,” that is, of shipping all black people to Africa, Central America, Haiti – anywhere other than the U.S. “I cannot make it better known than it already is,” he stated in a Message to Congress (1 December 1862), “that I strongly favour colonisation.” Indeed, he favoured it so strongly that he was the president of the Illinois Colonization Society. To Dishonest Abe, African-Americans could only be “equal” once they had been expelled from the United States.

A third myth is that Lincoln’s war saved the Union. Clearly, it did so geographically; just as clearly, however, by destroying its voluntary nature – which the Founders had emphasised and which had been taken for granted thereafter – the war ruined the Union philosophically. In the Declaration of Independence (1776), Articles of Confederation (1777-1781) and Constitution (1788), the states described themselves as “free and independent.” These documents could not be clearer: states delegated specified powers to the federal government which they had created as their agent, and they retained ultimate sovereignty for themselves. When they put their signatures to the Declaration of Independence, America’s Founders announced the secession from the British Empire of the states which they represented; and when George III signed the peace treaty ending the war, he named all of the states individually. He waged war against thirteen states, not a single entity called “the United States Government.”

"Abraham Lincoln was not the Great Emancipator: he was the Great Warmonger and Imperialist, the Great Racist, the Great Taxer-and-Spender, the Great Corruptionist, the Great Incarcerator and the Great Vandal of the Constitution."

con't
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/08/080815-2.htm br ... (show quote)


All of this is true except Lincoln was not a Republican. HE WAS A WHIG. For the first 28 years of his political career he was a Whig. He stated that he did not think he could win a presidential election running as a Whig so he switched his party to Republican but make no mistake I am still a Whig. So by his own admission he was the first RINO. The Whig party was pretty much the same as today's Democratic leftist. He was a left wing republican. Big government, big spending, limit states rights and give all power to the federal government. He was basically a communist and hated the constitution. He once stated that the only thing that stood in the way of his political ambitions was the constitution. After taking office he declared a Writ of Habeus Corpus, which took away all constitutional rights. He then declared martial law which lasted throughout his presidency. If anyone disagreed with his efforts to start an illegal war they either thrown in prison without trial or executed. The war was because of tyranny. We are experiencing tyranny today but it has not reached that level yet.

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Jan 24, 2022 22:47:06   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Airforceone wrote:
What is your problem are you southern racist and evangelicals whining about your ancestors being savages and being compared to Hitlers savages you raped murdered a whipped and hung people for being black just step to the plate and own it. (YOUR ANCESTORS WERE SAVAGES) they were not Americans they were no different than Hitler’s henchman. Even after the savages lost the civil war you started the Jim Crow
Period where you savages continued to rape murder whip and hang people for being black.
This worst period in American history was created by the savages called southern racist.
It’s okay the new version of the southern racist is voter suppression your not savages you just want to prevent the black vote so you can get a pathological disgusting savage like Trump back in office and hand this country over to the corporate elite.

But don’t try to justify your ancestors they were savages and you know it.
What is your problem are you southern racist and e... (show quote)


What if you actually knew history you would know that lands and countries were fought over and been taken multiple times by multiple other countries. Ours is no different just not as common or as violent as the European and Asian. we did have our own holocaust in that many Indian tribes were wiped out. NO one is trying to hide our history but the liberals are trying hard to rewrite it. One must realize that any country including our history is a map for future generations to guide them and help them NOT make the same mistake we did it is a map of our greatest triumphs and most humiliating mistakes. By removing or changing the history of our country good or bad is going to be detrimental to future generations. But the way I see it that's exactly what your side wants allowing kids to get a diploma without knowing how to read or write or do math makes John-boy and Jane Doe easy to control cause they don't know what you're asking them to sign such as a lifetime of servitude. So go look in a mirror at the kind of people that will destroy not just our country but this world wherther tampering with depopulation want to make a bet a bigger and better virus will rear its ugly head and the harbingers of death and doom Fuchi and Gates will be there to spread their fear and despair. Everyone must look back and try and remember have you seen Gates wearing a mask. It makes me wonder if people like him get a different BETTER vaccine and ours is preparing us for the next phase of their plan one researcher before they banned him for misinformation stated he noted that one chemical in the vaccines could depress the immune system and look at all the people now fully vaxed getting sick.

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Jan 24, 2022 22:49:40   #
okie don
 
Tarriffs
Taxation without representation.
The north needed the southern funds and south got tired of this.

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Jan 24, 2022 22:57:01   #
DaveZ
 
AA is for sane people clearing looking for help and guidance. I’m afraid this person is incapable of carrying on a logical respectful conversation. In my estimation there’s way too many dangerous mouthy individuals like this person trolling freedom loving patriots on the web just looking to live normal productive lives without government ruining every aspect of it. He’s too far gone and needs to be institutionalized for his safety and especially for the safety of American citizens like us sick of listening to his babbling, and incoherent, mind numb intelligence.

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Jan 24, 2022 23:50:32   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
bggamers wrote:
What if you actually knew history you would know that lands and countries were fought over and been taken multiple times by multiple other countries. Ours is no different just not as common or as violent as the European and Asian. we did have our own holocaust in that many Indian tribes were wiped out. NO one is trying to hide our history but the liberals are trying hard to rewrite it. One must realize that any country including our history is a map for future generations to guide them and help them NOT make the same mistake we did it is a map of our greatest triumphs and most humiliating mistakes. By removing or changing the history of our country good or bad is going to be detrimental to future generations. But the way I see it that's exactly what your side wants allowing kids to get a diploma without knowing how to read or write or do math makes John-boy and Jane Doe easy to control cause they don't know what you're asking them to sign such as a lifetime of servitude. So go look in a mirror at the kind of people that will destroy not just our country but this world wherther tampering with depopulation want to make a bet a bigger and better virus will rear its ugly head and the harbingers of death and doom Fuchi and Gates will be there to spread their fear and despair. Everyone must look back and try and remember have you seen Gates wearing a mask. It makes me wonder if people like him get a different BETTER vaccine and ours is preparing us for the next phase of their plan one researcher before they banned him for misinformation stated he noted that one chemical in the vaccines could depress the immune system and look at all the people now fully vaxed getting sick.
What if you actually knew history you would know t... (show quote)


We are repeating history because we never learned the truth of history in the first place. Most people bought the lies without asking questions. And you're right, they want to rewrite America's history now to make it compatible with their future plans. 'They' being those who are guiding us into the Communist New World Order.

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Jan 25, 2022 07:24:16   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
We are repeating history because we never learned the truth of history in the first place. Most people bought the lies without asking questions. And you're right, they want to rewrite America's history now to make it compatible with their future plans. 'They' being those who are guiding us into the Communist New World Order.


AGREE but I hope people are starting to wake up hope its not to late

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Jan 25, 2022 11:49:21   #
Rcki
 
okie don wrote:
Tarriffs
Taxation without representation.
The north needed the southern funds and south got tired of this.


Right On. The south was the cash cow to the north. Eighty % of the revenues the north took in came from the south. When the southern states legally and constitutionally seceded from the union, the Union immediately went into a deep recession. I have three great great grandfathers, and twelve great great uncles who fought for freedom from northern tyranny. None of them owned slaves. They were poor farmers who worked all year to make a bale of cotton that was worth $100.00. When they sold it they got $25.00 and the federal govt. $75.00.

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Jan 25, 2022 17:54:33   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
Ricki wrote:
All of this is true except Lincoln was not a Republican. HE WAS A WHIG. For the first 28 years of his political career he was a Whig. He stated that he did not think he could win a presidential election running as a Whig so he switched his party to Republican but make no mistake I am still a Whig. So by his own admission he was the first RINO. The Whig party was pretty much the same as today's Democratic leftist. He was a left wing republican. Big government, big spending, limit states rights and give all power to the federal government. He was basically a communist and hated the constitution. He once stated that the only thing that stood in the way of his political ambitions was the constitution. After taking office he declared a Writ of Habeus Corpus, which took away all constitutional rights. He then declared martial law which lasted throughout his presidency. If anyone disagreed with his efforts to start an illegal war they either thrown in prison without trial or executed. The war was because of tyranny. We are experiencing tyranny today but it has not reached that level yet.
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Lincoln wasn't alone. There were many in those early days that were already acting traitorously.

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Jan 25, 2022 18:32:39   #
DamnYANKEE
 
Airforceone wrote:
What is your problem are you southern racist and evangelicals whining about your ancestors being savages and being compared to Hitlers savages you raped murdered a whipped and hung people for being black just step to the plate and own it. (YOUR ANCESTORS WERE SAVAGES) they were not Americans they were no different than Hitler’s henchman. Even after the savages lost the civil war you started the Jim Crow
Period where you savages continued to rape murder whip and hang people for being black.
This worst period in American history was created by the savages called southern racist.
It’s okay the new version of the southern racist is voter suppression your not savages you just want to prevent the black vote so you can get a pathological disgusting savage like Trump back in office and hand this country over to the corporate elite.

But don’t try to justify your ancestors they were savages and you know it.
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HUH ???

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Jan 25, 2022 22:57:23   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
bggamers wrote:
AGREE but I hope people are starting to wake up hope its not to late


I don't mean to sound so negative but, unless we get the Biden Administration out here, it's already too late.

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Jan 25, 2022 23:31:52   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
I don't mean to sound so negative but, unless we get the Biden Administration out here, it's already too late.


His admin has filled every nook and cranny with socialists they will have to do a clean sweep from the bottom up. IF Trump does get back in I hope he learned that lesson from his first go-round because he left Obamas people in and he was spied on lied about etc.

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