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Jan 4, 2022 00:38:53   #
RobertX8Y
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"A sensible person might fear a bad thing. I might fear a violent criminal, for example."

The trouble is the Left are not very sensible. They still ignore the dangers of communism and other forms of totalitarian government.
The Constitution is something that gets in their way.


I could make a suggestion here, though I don't know whether that would do any good. I'd suggest distinguishing between communism and totalitarianism. There may be some overlap between them, but they are not the same thing. Then, to be fair and complete, we'd make similar distinctions among other systems, like, say, to distinguish between capitalism and totalitarianism, of which there may be some overlap between them, but they are not the same thing.

The Constitution is more complex for me to try to address briefly.

I'm trying to phase out RobertX8Y to make room for my new persona (or at least new handle) which is RobertV2. So at some point I'll let some of these threads drop -- I mean, whatever my part is in them.

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Jan 4, 2022 00:43:12   #
RobertX8Y
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Donny would never advocate for violence so he could maintain immunity and continue to trash the Constitution.

No, after months of planning he did say go peacefully and then watched in glee for several hours as his mob hunted his enemies and trashed the capital. He was begged to call off his perpetrators and did nothing. He was loving it.

Now they are in jail, their lives permanently damaged and he will skate free because he is such a hot political potato.


Yeah.

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Jan 4, 2022 00:45:50   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
I could make a suggestion here, though I don't know whether that would do any good. I'd suggest distinguishing between communism and totalitarianism. There may be some overlap between them, but they are not the same thing. Then, to be fair and complete, we'd make similar distinctions among other systems, like, say, to distinguish between capitalism and totalitarianism, of which there may be some overlap between them, but they are not the same thing.

The Constitution is more complex for me to try to address briefly.

I'm trying to phase out RobertX8Y to make room for my new persona (or at least new handle) which is RobertV2. So at some point I'll let some of these threads drop -- I mean, whatever my part is in them.
I could make a suggestion here, though I don't kno... (show quote)


Pontificate away Robert version whatever 👍

The slippery slope is under our feet.

Dictatorships everywhere revel in our instability.

But I remain hopeful. Such smart young 'uns...

Perhaps we'll remain a "civilization."

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Jan 4, 2022 00:47:32   #
RobertX8Y
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Now, how did you arrive at that conclusion, that Trump trashed the Constitution, Sherlock???


Generally what I've noticed is that Trump doesn't seem to care at all (if he's even aware) about conflicts of interest. I don't know whether the topic of "conflicts of interest" is literally specifically addressed in the Constitution, but it's a concept that's important in a democracy and, also, at least some of the Founders would care about such a thing.

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Jan 4, 2022 00:50:05   #
RobertX8Y
 
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Why are they all pleading the 5th?

We are all wondering that.

And waiting

And waiting

And waiting for justice.


Yeah.

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Jan 4, 2022 08:59:08   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Pontificate away Robert version whatever 👍

The slippery slope is under our feet.

Dictatorships everywhere revel in our instability.

But I remain hopeful. Such smart young 'uns...

Perhaps we'll remain a "civilization."


"Dictatorships everywhere revel in our instability." - soontobeindicted mattoid

May I point out who has been burning down citiies?

The Left!

"Perhaps we'll remain a "civilization." - soontobeindicted mattoid

Not if the Left gets control and their way.

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Jan 4, 2022 10:02:44   #
Puds Loc: So Centrl MN
 
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Huh?

Got a source or two? From my home, all I can observe first hand is climate. Where do you go for reliable info on your list, puds?


If I wish to get further into a topic’s details, I type the topic into my browser. I guarantee the result of my query will provide me with dozens of sources. The first listed sources are the result of the most frequently, not necessarily the most in depth and/or reliable sources, clicked. It’s likely algorithmically determined by the host of the browser. The truly curious will look at any number of listed sources and attempt to reach the conclusion or opinion by reading multiple sources. Reading and expounding from only those sources that fit an individual’s or source narrative does not often offer a complete evaluation.

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Jan 4, 2022 18:37:20   #
RobertX8Y
 
Puds wrote:
If I wish to get further into a topic’s details, I type the topic into my browser. I guarantee the result of my query will provide me with dozens of sources. The first listed sources are the result of the most frequently, not necessarily the most in depth and/or reliable sources, clicked. It’s likely algorithmically determined by the host of the browser. The truly curious will look at any number of listed sources and attempt to reach the conclusion or opinion by reading multiple sources. Reading and expounding from only those sources that fit an individual’s or source narrative does not often offer a complete evaluation.
If I wish to get further into a topic’s details, I... (show quote)


I read that some software (the Google search engine, and Facebook, and probably many other interactive software on the internet) customizes its responses according to what it has learned that the particular user likes (clicks). Thus when I search on Google, and when you search on Google, the list it returns to me will be different from the list it returns to you, even if we have both entered the exact same query to it. It would identify the user in some way, such as by the IP address of the computer. It would do this to maximize advertisement revenues. But this behavior also has the effect of confirmation bias for each user -- that is, it would give the user web pages that tend to confirm what the user already likes or believes.

The web page of the search engine duckduckgo.com claims to not track the user. In this way it would not make confirmation bias.

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Jan 4, 2022 19:05:48   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
I read that some software (the Google search engine, and Facebook, and probably many other interactive software on the internet) customizes its responses according to what it has learned that the particular user likes (clicks). Thus when I search on Google, and when you search on Google, the list it returns to me will be different from the list it returns to you, even if we have both entered the exact same query to it. It would identify the user in some way, such as by the IP address of the computer. It would do this to maximize advertisement revenues. But this behavior also has the effect of confirmation bias for each user -- that is, it would give the user web pages that tend to confirm what the user already likes or believes.

The web page of the search engine duckduckgo.com claims to not track the user. In this way it would not make confirmation bias.
I read that some software (the Google search engin... (show quote)


Good tip for doing searches.

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Jan 4, 2022 20:12:28   #
martsiva
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
Yeah.


I see - so trying to pass the un-Constitutional HR1 is not trying to trash the Constitution??

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Jan 5, 2022 07:16:04   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
I read that some software (the Google search engine, and Facebook, and probably many other interactive software on the internet) customizes its responses according to what it has learned that the particular user likes (clicks). Thus when I search on Google, and when you search on Google, the list it returns to me will be different from the list it returns to you, even if we have both entered the exact same query to it. It would identify the user in some way, such as by the IP address of the computer. It would do this to maximize advertisement revenues. But this behavior also has the effect of confirmation bias for each user -- that is, it would give the user web pages that tend to confirm what the user already likes or believes.

The web page of the search engine duckduckgo.com claims to not track the user. In this way it would not make confirmation bias.
I read that some software (the Google search engin... (show quote)



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Jan 5, 2022 19:11:01   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Puds wrote:
If I wish to get further into a topic’s details, I type the topic into my browser. I guarantee the result of my query will provide me with dozens of sources. The first listed sources are the result of the most frequently, not necessarily the most in depth and/or reliable sources, clicked. It’s likely algorithmically determined by the host of the browser. The truly curious will look at any number of listed sources and attempt to reach the conclusion or opinion by reading multiple sources. Reading and expounding from only those sources that fit an individual’s or source narrative does not often offer a complete evaluation.
If I wish to get further into a topic’s details, I... (show quote)


Agreed Puds

Look for truth wherever it is.

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Jan 5, 2022 19:25:06   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
martsiva wrote:
I see - so trying to pass the un-Constitutional HR1 is not trying to trash the Constitution??


Have you read HR-1?

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Jan 5, 2022 19:33:42   #
RobertV2
 
martsiva wrote:
I see - so trying to pass the un-Constitutional HR1 is not trying to trash the Constitution??


(formerly robertx8y, now writing as robertv2)

With no explanation, you simply assert something is "un-Constitutional"? Is it an attempt to change the subject, or what?

I would have expected at least a pointer to some part of the Act and a pointer to some part of the Constitution that contradicts it. I mean, if you know what you're talking about, that would have been easy and useful to do.

I've looked at the Constitution occasionally, and I looked at the initial summary of that Act to which you refer, at the start of its text (25 words or so), at:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr1%22%5D%7D&r=1&s=1

and there's nothing so obviously "un-Constitutional" about it.

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Jan 5, 2022 19:39:47   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
RobertV2 wrote:
(formerly robertx8y, now writing as robertv2)

With no explanation, you simply assert something is "un-Constitutional"? Is it an attempt to change the subject, or what?

I would have expected at least a pointer to some part of the Act and a pointer to some part of the Constitution that contradicts it. I mean, if you know what you're talking about, that would have been easy and useful to do.

I've looked at the Constitution occasionally, and I looked at the initial summary of that Act to which you refer, at the start of its text (25 words or so), at:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hr1%22%5D%7D&r=1&s=1

and there's nothing so obviously "un-Constitutional" about it.
(formerly robertx8y, now writing as robertv2) br ... (show quote)


Don't expect much Robert v2

Martsiva is just trolling

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