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Dec 17, 2021 01:40:26   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Simple Sam wrote:
Pauline 'christians' seem to ignore the Torah which was dictated to Moses. Your god, Saul, was a fake or false prophet who made up his religion, his words not mine, as need arose. If you are following his tripe and not Jesus, you are NOT a true Christian.

BTW, Sarah was CONVERTED! Interesting quote "The idea that all converts already have a Jewish spark comes from a verse in the Torah. On the last day of Moses' life, all the Jewish people gathered together and God spoke to them, saying: "Not with you alone do I seal this covenant and oath. I am making it both with those here today before Me, and also with those not here today." (Deut. 29:13). Interesting, A close look at this verse in the original Hebrew reveals something startling. In the first part of the phrase, "but with those here," the last letters of those four Hebrew words actually spell out the name "Yitro." Yitro was the father-in-law of Moses, and the first convert to Judaism following the exodus from Egypt. From this, God makes it clear that He was not talking only about the Jews he delivered from Egypt, but every Jew, past and through all time whether converted or born through the 12 tribes.
Pauline 'christians' seem to ignore the Torah whic... (show quote)


Well said

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Dec 17, 2021 01:41:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Is there a problem with that?

Christians write for Christians.
Muslims write for Muslims,
Hindus write for Hindus.

Evidently you write for Nazis.


You've used the same argument...

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Dec 17, 2021 01:42:39   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
You certainly don’t speak for Christianity

‘Pauline Christian’ is used in the secular world and by what are called ‘cafeteria Christians’. They discard what they don’t want to believe and arguably are often not even believers. There is no such thing as a ‘Pauline Christian’. One is Christian or they are not.


Those who follow Paul's words over Christ's can be denoted as Pauline Christians...

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Dec 17, 2021 01:45:23   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Simple Sam wrote:
You are right, I do not speak for all Christians or for that matter any Christain. To be fair, I can only speak for myself and my understanding of the Bible, both old and new.

This is the first time for the term cafeteria Christian, I had to look it up!

Anyway, considering the multitude of differing and conflicting beliefs in the world, one is tempted to wonder if the truth even exists… let alone able to be found. This is especially the case when we consider that the majority of people base their beliefs to one degree or another on the blind faith of tradition. It would seem that all of mankind is skating in different circles, blind, and going nowhere on the frozen lake of life.

Contrary to some popular doctrine concerning faith, faith is not a blind leap in the dark. I believe it is meant to be a confident walk in the light of understanding. This understanding has remained with me and served me well in my ongoing endeavor to grasp more of the truth concerning God and man’s purpose. At least for myself, I am determined to minimize the shock that awaits. One day, we will all be stripped down to our souls and stand in front of God and All of our illusions and precipitating actions will be judged.

I have come to the conclusion that as a Gentile, I am not God’s centerpiece in the world. The children of Israel continue to be His centerpiece! I believe that it is only in my humble acknowledgment of this fact that there is any real hope for my soul. This is not to say that I believe the Jews have been perfect in their understanding of God. But I do believe His eye is first on them.

As for Saul, he divided the gentil from the Jew. In my opinion, it is evident that what each religion has desperately needed is first; a less Greek-influenced better understanding of the character of God, and secondly; each need exactly what it has rejected in the other. The last thing, the Jew needs Christianity. Christianity needs the Law which Jesus fully endorsed. What the Jew needs is the knowledge of his Messiah. The first believers in Jesus were all Moses-abiding Jews, and there were literally tens of thousands of them. They didn’t know to be anything different because they never heard God command them to be anything different! But one religion went one way, with Jesus and no Moses, and the other went the other way, with Moses and no Jesus.
You are right, I do not speak for all Christians o... (show quote)


Good points

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Dec 17, 2021 01:50:25   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Jesus said that it was inevitable but that evil would come, but WOE TO HIM THROUGH WHOM IT CAME. (Matthew 18:7)

Start with your first source:

Texe Marrs was, at best, an apostate Christian who founded a "ministry" intent upon condemning what God does not condemn, as he supported and promoted virulent hatred of that which God loves. Marrs advanced anti-Semitic conspiracies are simply nonexistent in any so-called "traditional" Christian anti-Judaism.

Texe William Marrs (July 15, 1944 - November 23, 2019) was an American author, radio host, and ordained pastor who ran two ministries, Power of Prophecy Ministries and Bible Home Church, both based in Austin, Texas.His teachings revolved around heavy elements of anti-Semitism, as well as anti-Catholicism, and Illuminati and Freemasonry conspiracy theories.

Texe W. Marrs's faux Christian ministry, entitled the "Power of Prophecy Ministries," had the stated goal of: "exposing Jews as the root of all ills and wars in the world who aim for the destruction of America and all Christians."

The author of fifty five books, prior to 1987 he was a prolific author of nonfiction books on career preparation and other subjects. Texe Marrs had been a United States Air Force officer for 20 years, reaching the rank of captain, and subsequently, a faculty member at the University of Texas for five years, proving the impossibility of acquiring an understanding of God's spiritual truth through either of the two august, but worldly, manmade institutions of the Military and Academia.

Resources:

https://www.academia.edu/44858493/_Now_the_World_Knows_Christian_Conspiracist_Texe_Marrs_on_Jewish_Genetics_and_the_Khazarian_Hypothesis

https://cumbey.blogspot.com/2006/11/texe-marrs-disinformation-for-new-age.html

https://blogfocus.royalharvest.co/texe-marrs-false-teachings/


Ginny_Dandy wrote:
https://www.texemarrs.com/042013/jews_not_descendants_of_abraham.htm

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Dec 17, 2021 02:04:37   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
Oh, so now you're admitting that Jews hate.

What I'm doing, John, the Baptist, also did. He called the Pharisees "a brood of vipers" meaning venomous snakes.

Your problem is that you haven't yet learned that the Bible has been edited and altered by the Zionist Jews. The term Judeo-Christian is an oxymoron. The Talmud teaches the opposite of God's commandments. The Talmud also teaches a bitter hatred of Jesus and His followers.

Talmudic Anti-Christianity
The ultimate object of hatred in Talmudic Judaism is Christ, and the targets of Talmudic hatred are not just Gentile non-Jews, "the people who are like an ass — slaves who are considered the property of the master" (Talmud, Kethuboth 111a). Of these non-Jews, the Christians are most insanely hated and loathed because their doctrines are the opposite of every Talmudic doctrine. They rank not just as animals, like the rest of non-Talmudic humanity, but almost as vermin, to be eradicated. Language in the Talmud is virtually exhausted to find foul and hated names for Christians.

Christ as "Balaam"
Under the name of "Balaam" the most lewd Talmud passages concerning Jesus appear. Proof that Jesus is called "Balaam" is found in the Jewish Encyclopedia (under "Balaam").

The Talmud says Jesus' mother was an adulteress, that "She played the harlot with carpenters."

All rabbinical sources ascribe to Jesus, "illegitimate birth ... the seducer was a soldier by the name of Panthera [also called Pandira. and Stada]."
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These quotes are not in the Babylon Talmud....http://come-and-hear.com/kethuboth/kethuboth_111.html and https://www.sefaria.org/texts

Indeed, the ONLY Place I could find your quotes is on most antisemitic web pages. I even read the 'Jewish Encyclopedia' in search.... https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2395-balaam

You need to either give me links or do better research.

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Dec 17, 2021 02:11:42   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes... Jew can denote both religion and ancestry... There are Jewish Christians, Jewish Muslims, and Jewish atheists...

As Palestinians have loved in the area for millennia it is not surprising they share blood with their Jewish brothers.... Indeed, Arabs and Jews come from the same bloodlines...


Many people do not know, or choose to ignore, that muslim and Jews share bloodline.

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Dec 17, 2021 02:16:22   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
What I quoted came from the Jews' holy book the Talmud!


The Torah is the 'Holy' book the Talmud is not holy, body of Jewish civil and ceremonial law and legend comprising the Mishnah and the Gemara. There are two versions of the Talmud: the Babylonian Talmud (which dates from the 5th century ad but includes earlier material) and the earlier Palestinian or Jerusalem Talmud.

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Dec 17, 2021 02:27:56   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
If it happened via marriage, then they would have genetic links to the holy Land...



Not only marriage but also adoption, freed slaves, or friendship. The only requirement, besides obediance to law, was the person freely wanting to convert. You know, the free will clause in God's Contract.

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Dec 17, 2021 04:58:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Simple Sam wrote:
Many people do not know, or choose to ignore, that muslim and Jews share bloodline.


All goes back to Abraham

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Dec 17, 2021 06:20:20   #
Radiance3
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
What I quoted came from the Jews' holy book the Talmud!

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Here is another one for you Ginny. You are reading and believing so much fictional stories written by those who want to make money out of the Holy Bible. What you are doing have been blasphemous. Please stop that.
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Gospel Mt 1:1-17
The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ,
the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Abraham became the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers.
Judah became the father of Perez and Zerah,
whose mother was Tamar.
Perez became the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
Ram the father of Amminadab.
Amminadab became the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
Salmon the father of Boaz,
whose mother was Rahab.
Boaz became the father of Obed,
whose mother was Ruth.
Obed became the father of Jesse,
Jesse the father of David the king.
David became the father of Solomon,
whose mother had been the wife of Uriah.
Solomon became the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asaph.
Asaph became the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Joram,
Joram the father of Uzziah.
Uzziah became the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah.
Hezekiah became the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amos,
Amos the father of Josiah.
Josiah became the father of Jechoniah and his brothers
at the time of the Babylonian exile.
After the Babylonian exile,
Jechoniah became the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
Zerubbabel the father of Abiud.
Abiud became the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
Azor the father of Zadok.
Zadok became the father of Achim,
Achim the father of Eliud,
Eliud the father of Eleazar.
Eleazar became the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary.
Of her was born Jesus who is called the Christ.

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Dec 17, 2021 07:05:12   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I find it amusing that you often claim people are not Christian (despite them being Christian) but are adamant that all Jews are Jews... Ironic...


I find it amusing you often try and put words in people’s mouths. I never said or implied that.

As for questining who is Christian that is something we are to question. Or is that something else you disregard because you don’t like it?

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Dec 17, 2021 07:10:09   #
Rose42
 
Simple Sam wrote:
Many people do not know, or choose to ignore, that muslim and Jews share bloodline.


Many do know. And they also know that Ishmael’s descendants were destined to be at odds with Isaac’s. God’s covenant was passed on th Isaac not Ishmael though he did bless Ishmael

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Dec 17, 2021 07:10:14   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
God hated Esau because he mixed his blood with that of a pagan through marriage.

God wanted the Israelites to keep pure blood lines as they were the people through whom Jesus would be born. Therefore, while outsiders were permitted to live among the Israelites, the Israelites were NOT permitted to intermarry with them or practice any of their pagan beliefs. The Israelites found out, the hard way, that there were serious consequences for not obeying God's word.

Abraham and Sarah were Hebrew. Their son was Isaac. Isaac had Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. Jacob/Israel had 12 sons who became the nation of Israel. However, Joseph's blessing went to his sons Ephraim and Manasseh.

The Jews originated in the empire of Khazar. They never set foot in the Middle East.
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God hated Esau because Esau rejected his birthrite for a bowl of soup. He rejected God for some porridge. John the Baptist was an Essene. You should study them.

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Dec 17, 2021 07:55:27   #
PZG1225 Loc: Florida
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Claiming to be a Jew does not make one a heir to the promises given Israel. It is obvious you are pro Palestine and, therefore, deceived by Satan yourself.



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