10 Fourth Graders and their teacher killed by assault rifle, 25 Elementary students wounded: See story on page 17 (Page 9): Are you the lawyer tasked with defending the Holland MI...

mgershowitz

Are you the lawyer tasked with defending the Holland MI parents who were just indicted for involuntary manslaughter?

WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX

mgershowitz wrote:

Are you the lawyer tasked with defending the Holland MI parents who were just indicted for involuntary manslaughter?

It will be interesting to watch this prosecution move forward in the absence of any Michigan law making parents liable for the action of a 15 year old child. The Michigan State Houses considered this but dropped it a couple years ago.

I will reserve my assessment until all of the facts are public.

PeterS

rumitoid wrote:

We are steadily growing inured to this sick and sa... (show quote)

Thoughts and prayers Rumi, thoughts and prayers...

mgershowitz

wtroxell wrote:

It will be interesting to watch this prosecution move forward in the absence of any Michigan law making parents liable for the action of a 15 year old child. The Michigan State Houses considered this but dropped it a couple years ago.

I will reserve my assessment until all of the facts are public.

Agreed the involuntary manslaughter charges seem bold and risk being an over prosecution similar to the Rittenhouse trial. Perhaps convincing a jury of reckless endangerment would be more attainable since based on the actions, deeds and written text evidence even in the absence of any specific parental responsibility law tying the kid’s parents to these deaths doesn’t at all seem like a big stretch.

PeterS

American Vet wrote:

And those weapons are already highly controlled.

Additionally, I do not recall any crimes being committed with such a weapon.

Are you trying to argue that a semi-automatic weapon isn't an assault weapon? Doesn't the M-16 have semi-automatic and automatic modes? Is it still not an assault rifle when it is in semi-auto mode, which I would venture to say would be the majority of the time?

valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"

wtroxell wrote:

Although I'm a firm 2A advocate, There have been mass shootings in Texas (near San Antonio church where the shooter was cancelled by a citizen with an Armalite Model 15) and at a Florida High School (Parkland, where the shooter used an Armalite Model 15 style rifle, sentencing for the shooter is expected in January) both of which are conservative majority states.

During Obama's shitty time in office.

valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"

wtroxell wrote:

Valkerieryder made a statement in the post which I responded to asserting that mass shootings only occur in Blue states.

I merely wished to point out that error.

But under a democrat president.

valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"

RascalRiley wrote:

If you own a gun you live in fear.
I on the other hand do not live in a country that monotonies fear for the benefit of gun manufacturers profits.
You would not understand that concept.

I own a gun and the only people I fear are deranged Democrats aka Zombies.

American Vet

RandyBrian wrote:

That is what the CDC SAYS. More trustworthy sources put the number closer to 2 million.

Correct - I intentionally used the lower number.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

PeterS wrote:

Thoughts and prayers Rumi, thoughts and prayers...

Does Ronald McDonald ever answer your prayers?

American Vet

wtroxell wrote:

It will be interesting to watch this prosecution move forward in the absence of any Michigan law making parents liable for the action of a 15 year old child. The Michigan State Houses considered this but dropped it a couple years ago.

I will reserve my assessment until all of the facts are public.

The young man has been charged as an adult.

So which is it? Is tried as an adult, then how can the parents have any responsibility for his actions?

American Vet

PeterS wrote:

Are you trying to argue that a semi-automatic weapon isn't an assault weapon? Doesn't the M-16 have semi-automatic and automatic modes? Is it still not an assault rifle when it is in semi-auto mode, which I would venture to say would be the majority of the time?

By the definition presented a semi-automatic weapon is not an "assault weapon".

The version used by the military has a selector switch which enables it to fire 'full automatic'.

The 'civilian' version does not. Thus, by the definition, it is NOT an assault weapon.

WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX

valkyrierider wrote:

But under a democrat president.

The Texas Church (Sutherland Springs) mass shooting took place on Nov 5, 2017. 26 people killed.

The Florida High School (Parkland) mass shooting took place on Feb 4, 2018. 17 people killed.

It only matters for the sake of accuracy.
If memory serves me, both of these were during the Trump Administration.

WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX

American Vet wrote:

The young man has been charged as an adult.

So which is it? Is tried as an adult, then how can the parents have any responsibility for his actions?

It appears to be contradictory. Another reason I reserve judgement until all the facts are out.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

RandyBrian wrote:

Have another look at those figures, Frosty. Those figures include gang shoot outs and domestic killings where a spouse and children are murdered. These kind of atrocities are not considered 'mass murders" by the FBI, law enforcement, or anyone else except for one source, a left wing site that feeds propaganda to the MSMs and the Democrat party.

4 deaths per incident is far from a demanding criteria.

why the heck should gang shoot outs and domestic killings be excluded??