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Parents were fine with sweeping school vaccination mandates five decades ago – but COVID-19 is a different story
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Oct 22, 2021 23:57:43   #
rumitoid
 
skyrider wrote:
Listen up dimwit !!!!! Parents are NOT opposed to vaccines. I, one of the most vocal in opposition on here,
am NOT opposed to vaccines. For example in 1954 the Polio Vax gave us safety and freedoms that we never had
before. Small pox was eradicated by a vaccine. We know. We were there!!!
I/we are opposed to something that is not a vaccine, does not prevent anything, is demonstrated to cause
10s of 1000s of deaths , permanent injury, and is slated to cause millions of deaths within the next few years
from heart disease, stroke, multiple organ failure and other complications.
Your choice to support this horrific evil, is your choice. You really need to find a better way to defend your choice than
to label our well researched knowledge, as conspiracy theory, as well as stupid right wing radical thought.
I can assure that we are far from being stupid.
Listen up dimwit !!!!! Parents are NOT opposed t... (show quote)


Where on earth or from what planet did you get this utter nonsense: "that is not a vaccine, does not prevent anything, is demonstrated to cause 10s of 1000s of deaths , permanent injury, and is slated to cause millions of deaths within the next few years from heart disease, stroke, multiple organ failure and other complications." This has to be the most Lulu of all the Lulu crap. Show me from what source you got this madness.

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Oct 23, 2021 00:01:56   #
rumitoid
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
This is not just any old vaccination. This is not to prevent disease, it’s to prevent free thought. And after the third jab or the fourth, you won’t be bright enough to object.


Oy vey. What Right Wing Madrasah did you get this from? Do you prefer kool-aid?

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Oct 23, 2021 00:02:46   #
rumitoid
 
skyrider wrote:
And there you have it in a nutshell.


Nut-shell is correct.

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Oct 23, 2021 00:07:09   #
rumitoid
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
Hahaha..unbelievable


Yes, unbelievable that the Right can't see the truth right in front of their eyes everyday. Covid is being aided and abetted by Anti-vaxxers who should be held for negligent homicide or a hate crime against the elderly.

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Oct 23, 2021 00:13:45   #
rumitoid
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
1. No Covid-19 vaccines stop the spread or the infection of the vaxxed person. They mitigate the effects.
2. People that recover from Covid-19 that are vaxxed don't need vaxxed...it's ridiculous.
3.Real vaccines are one and done. When you get a polio vaccine you don't worry about others polio vaccine status. And you don’t need "boosters"
4. The current vaccines, because they don't work effectively enough, actually are providing avenues for variants, and by relying on them will only lead to an "endemic" situation with Neverending variants...like the flu.
GET THE SCIENCE...GET THE TRUTH
1. No Covid-19 vaccines stop the spread or the inf... (show quote)


"Real vaccines" are not one and done. Ideally, your child should receive a dose at ages:

2 months,
4 months,
6 through 18 months, and
then a booster dose at age 4 through 6 years. For best protection, children should get four doses of polio vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/vaccination.html

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Oct 23, 2021 00:27:58   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
"Real vaccines" are not one and done. Ideally, your child should receive a dose at ages:

2 months,
4 months,
6 through 18 months, and
then a booster dose at age 4 through 6 years. For best protection, children should get four doses of polio vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/vaccination.html


But they are not based upon mRNA and eventually are permanent. Covid will NEVER be permanent. And there are no long term studies done. Go vaccinate your a$$ off, but many of us will wait. If you're protected, why worry??

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Oct 23, 2021 02:57:22   #
skyrider
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
The major vaccines for Covid (Moderna, Pfizer, Johnson-and-Johnson) have been through trials and approvals.

You could say they haven't been around as long as some other vaccines, or that they were developed faster than some vaccines.

The major vaccines are a lot safer than Covid is:

How many do you think have died from Covid, and how many have died from the vaccines?

How many have had long-term or short-term adverse health conditions from Covid, and how many from the vaccines?

Is Covid "proven" safe? No. The safety of the vaccines is a lot more proven than is the safety of Covid.

I'm going to guess that you haven't been vaccinated and are what I'd call a "Covid-vaccine resister".

The best reason for mandates is not to make you protect your own health. It's to make you (or any person) much less likely to unwittingly spread disease to other people, and to reduce disease and transmission among the general population.

If it were possible for vaccine-resisters to isolate themselves and have no impact on the rest of us, and if they'd dependably do so, then there'd be no reason to try to mandate vaccines for them, because, being isolated and having no impact on the rest of us, they wouldn't be contributing to the spread of Covid and its variants among the rest of us. Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to get such isolation and we cannot expect it to happen.

The variety and numbers of Covid variants and Covid transmissions, coming mostly from unvaccinated people, are dangerous to all of us. The longer it goes on, the more breakthrough infections will occur and the more Covid variants will develop. Vaccines help us a lot but they can't overcome a whole big army of Covid variant incubators indefinitely.

I think vaccine mandates are probably a good idea, not because I care anything about your individual health, but because I care about my family's health and well-being, and I don't want you nor any other vaccine resister to infect them or put more disease into the environment.
The major vaccines for Covid (Moderna, Pfizer, Joh... (show quote)


OMG, yet another one emerges out of the pit of slime.

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Oct 23, 2021 06:54:24   #
Rose42
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
But they are not based upon mRNA and eventually are permanent. Covid will NEVER be permanent. And there are no long term studies done. Go vaccinate your a$$ off, but many of us will wait. If you're protected, why worry??


Why worry if you’re protected? Because if they’re honest with themselves they don’t really trust the shot and they know its not the panacea they’re trying to sell

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Oct 23, 2021 07:14:37   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Excellent points. Where have you been all my life...on OPP?


The real question is……..Did you create this one? It’s about time for a new batch for our winter entertainment!

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Oct 23, 2021 07:32:38   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
skyrider wrote:
OMG, yet another one emerges out of the pit of slime.


Trust but verify!………Rumi created several multiple identities late winter, spring, and summer of last year, ever since the Administration opened the door for all to create as many different identities as they choose. He has placed many of them in his inactive file since then and has put his energy in but a small number. If he follows his usual pattern we will be honored with a brand new batch. LOL! Be on the lookout for new “wingmen/women”.

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Oct 23, 2021 07:54:14   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
Its been EPA approved, no more excuses needed, but hey don't.

I wasn't aware that the Environmental Protection Agency approved vaccines. That would explain the tie-in to global warming...er climate change.

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Oct 23, 2021 07:56:56   #
albertk
 
TexaCan wrote:
Trust but verify!………Rumi created several multiple identities late winter, spring, and summer of last year, ever since the Administration opened the door for all to create as many different identities as they choose. He has placed many of them in his inactive file since then and has put his energy in but a small number. If he follows his usual pattern we will be honored with a brand new batch. LOL! Be on the lookout for new “wingmen/women”.
Trust but verify!………Rumi created several multiple ... (show quote)





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Oct 23, 2021 07:57:06   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Nut-shell is correct.


This is a nutshell………actual data! You have once again chosen Drama over reality! The danger for healthy children is extremely low! Why would parents give their child a vaccine that has not been proven to protect us from catching COVID! In fact, more and more information is being revealed of some very serious side effects, including death. The children that have died were children with other serious health problems. Until a vaccine can be PROVEN safe and effective for children………..It should not be even considered!

https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/


Summary of Findings (data available as of 10/14/21) :

Cumulative Number of Child COVID-19 Cases*

6,177,946 total child COVID-19 cases reported, and children represented 16.4% (6,177,946/37,611,563) of all cases
Overall rate: 8,208 cases per 100,000 children in the population
Change in Child COVID-19 Cases*

130,575 child COVID-19 cases were reported the past week from 10/7/21-10/14/21 (6,047,371 to 6,177,946) and children represented 25.5% (130,575/512,399) of the weekly reported cases
Over two weeks, 9/30/21-10/14/21, there was a 5% increase in the cumulated number of child COVID-19 cases since the beginning of the pandemic (278,798 cases added (5,899,148 to 6,177,946))
Testing (11 states reported)*^

Among states reporting, children made up between 11.6%-22.3% of total cumulated state tests, and between 5.2%-18.4% of children tested were tested positive
Hospitalizations (24 states and NYC reported)*

Among states reporting, children ranged from 1.6%-4.2% of their total cumulated hospitalizations, and 0.1%-2.0% of all their child COVID-19 cases resulted in hospitalization
Mortality (45 states, NYC, PR and GU reported)*

Among states reporting, children were 0.00%-0.25% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 7 states reported zero child deaths
​In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death

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Oct 23, 2021 08:24:25   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
rumitoid wrote:
"Real vaccines" are not one and done. Ideally, your child should receive a dose at ages:

2 months,
4 months,
6 through 18 months, and
then a booster dose at age 4 through 6 years. For best protection, children should get four doses of polio vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/vaccination.html


Rumi, what is the difference between polio and this virus in children? Polio killed and crippled children…..healthy children by the millions all over the world! COVID doesn’t! Another report for you out of England!

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w

A comprehensive analysis of hospital admissions and reported deaths across England suggests that COVID-19 carries a lower risk of dying or requiring intensive care among children and young people than was previously thought.

In a series of preprints published on medRxiv1–3, a team of researchers picked through all hospital admissions and deaths reported for people younger than 18 in England. The studies found that COVID-19 caused 25 deaths in that age group between March 2020 and February 2021.

About half of those deaths were in individuals with an underlying complex disability with high health-care needs, such as tube feeding or assistance with breathing.

The studies did not evaluate rates of less-severe illness or debilitating ‘long COVID’ symptoms that can linger months after the acute phase of the infection has past. “The low rate of severe acute disease is important news, but this does not have to mean that COVID does not matter to children,” says paediatrician Danilo Buonsenso at the Gemelli University Hospital in Rome. “Please, let’s keep attention — as much as is feasible — on immunization.”

In one of the preprints, the researchers trawled for published accounts of COVID-19 among children and young people, and ultimately analysed data from 57 studies and 19 countries3. They then picked apart risk factors for severe disease and death from the data.

Study findings
Some conditions — including obesity and cardiac or neurological conditions — were associated with a higher risk of death or intensive-care treatment, the researchers found. But the absolute increase in risk was very small, study author Rachel Harwood, a paediatric surgical registrar at Alder Hey Children’s Hospital in Liverpool, UK, told reporters at a media briefing.

For the other two preprints, the researchers focused on England, drawing on nationwide health-care data on intensive-care admissions and deaths among those under 18 years old. The team found that, of 6,338 hospital admissions for COVID-19, 259 children and young people required treatment in paediatric intensive-care units.

Black children were more likely than their white counterparts to require intensive care, both for COVID-19 and for paediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome, a rare syndrome associated with coronavirus infection. But overall, the need for intensive care was “incredibly rare” among these patients, says study author Joseph Ward of the University College London Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health.

Of 3,105 deaths from all causes among the 12 million or so people under 18 in England between March 2020 and February 2021, 25 were attributable to COVID-19 — a rate of about 2 for every million people in this age range. None had asthma or type-1 diabetes, the authors note, and about half had conditions that put them at a higher risk than healthy children of dying from any cause.

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Oct 23, 2021 08:25:16   #
skyrider
 
Parky60 wrote:
I wasn't aware that the Environmental Protection Agency approved vaccines. That would explain the tie-in to global warming...er climate change.


You forgot "disruption"

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