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They Shunned COVID-19 Vaccines but Embraced Antibody Treatment
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Sep 20, 2021 13:08:17   #
Rose42
 
Michael10 wrote:
At this point I'm simply posting articles written by someone else, I'm not cherry picking information from them, like some on this site. If you don't want the vaccine by all means don't take it just don't ask for the cure, Antibody therapy, when you get it. Save that for those who care about their health and those who can't take the vaccine for health reasons. It seems strange that 70% of the Antibody therapy is going to a few red states where people refuse to except good sense or their governors refuse to look after their constituents well being. As long as there's mis-information about the virus going on I'm going to post the truth, like it or not.
At this point I'm simply posting articles written ... (show quote)


You only post partial truth and you accept the lie that those who don’t get vaccinated don’t care. No matter how many times you repeat that lie it will never be true.

The truth is you accept many things that aren’t true.

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Sep 20, 2021 13:10:58   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Rose42 wrote:
You only post partial truth and you accept the lie that those who don’t get vaccinated don’t care. No matter how many times you repeat that lie it will never be true.

The truth is you accept many things that aren’t true.


A partial truth is still a lie, eh?

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Sep 20, 2021 13:12:16   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Rose42 wrote:
You only post partial truth and you accept the lie that those who don’t get vaccinated don’t care. No matter how many times you repeat that lie it will never be true.

The truth is you accept many things that aren’t true.


He has this either/or thinking, not being able to see there are many more than two paths an individual can take.

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Sep 20, 2021 13:15:34   #
Rose42
 
BigMike wrote:
He has this either/or thinking, not being able to see there are many more than two paths an individual can take.


He wants everyone to conform because thats the way people are programmed to think

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Sep 20, 2021 17:14:30   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Michael10 wrote:
Go figure this out, before they get the virus they won't use the "experimental" vaccine, after they get the virus they beg for the Experimental antibody treatment,,,, makes no sense to me?



Benjamin Mueller
Sun, September 19, 2021, 10:25 AM


But contracting COVID-19 shattered his faith in his body’s defenses — so much so that Jones, nose clogged and appetite vanished, began hunting for anything to spare himself a nightmarish illness.

The answer turned out to be monoclonal antibodies, a 1-year-old, laboratory-created drug no less experimental than the vaccine. In a glass-walled enclosure at Houston Methodist Hospital this month, Jones, 65, became one of more than a million patients, including Donald Trump and Joe Rogan, to receive an antibody infusion as the virus has battered the United States.

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Vaccine-resistant Americans are turning to the treatment with a zeal that has, at times, mystified their doctors, chasing down lengthy infusions after rejecting vaccines that cost one-hundredth as much. Orders have exploded so quickly this summer — to 168,000 doses per week in late August, up from 27,000 in July — that the Biden administration warned states this week of a dwindling national supply.

The federal government, which was already covering the cost of the treatment — currently about $2,100 per dose — has now taken over its distribution as well. For the coming weeks, the government has told states to expect scaled-back shipments because of the looming shortages.

With seven Southern states accounting for 70% of orders, the new process has unsettled some of their governors, who have made the antibody treatment central to their strategy for enduring a catastrophic wave of the delta variant.

More supplies are on the way. The federal government bought 1.8 million more doses this week, expected to arrive in the fall and winter. But for now, some hospitals are uncertain of supplies, state health officials said, even as patients keep searching for doses.

“We have providers struggling to get the necessary product,” said Kody Kinsley, who leads operations for North Carolina’s COVID-19 response. “I think what has happened is a classic logistics issue, where all of a sudden there’s much more demand.”

Amid a din of anti-vaccine falsehoods, monoclonal antibodies have become the rare coronavirus medicine to achieve near-universal acceptance. Championed by mainstream doctors and conservative radio hosts alike, the infusions have kept the country’s death toll — 2,000 per day and climbing — from soaring even higher.

And after months of work by President Joe Biden and Southern governors to promote the treatments, they have won the affection of vaccine refusers who said that the terrors and uncertainties of actually getting COVID-19 had made them desperate for an antidote.

“The people you love, you trust, nobody said anything negative about it,” Jones said of the antibody treatment. “And I’ve heard nothing but negative things about the side effects of the vaccine and how quickly it was developed.”

Some Republican governors have set up antibody clinics while opposing vaccine mandates, frustrating even some of the drugs’ strongest proponents. Raising vaccination rates, scientists said, would obviate the need for many of the costly antibody treatments in the first place. The infusions take about an hour and a half, including monitoring afterward, and require constant attention from nurses whom hard-hit states often cannot spare.

“It’s clogging up resources, it’s hard to give, and a vaccine is $20 and could prevent almost all of that,” said Dr. Christian Ramers, an infectious disease specialist and the chief of population health at Family Health Centers of San Diego, a community-based provider. Pushing antibodies while playing down vaccines, he said, was “like investing in car insurance without investing in brakes.”

The government-supplied monoclonal antibodies, made by Regeneron and Eli Lilly, have been shown to significantly shorten patients’ symptoms and reduce their risk of being hospitalized — by 70%, in the case of Regeneron’s antibody cocktail. The treatments, given in a single sitting, use lab-made copies of the antibodies that people generate naturally when fighting an infection.

Patients and doctors alike overlooked the treatments during the wintertime surge of infections. But hospitals and health centers have now ramped up their offerings, transforming dental clinics, mobile units and auditoriums into infusion centers. In states like Texas, where elective surgeries have been postponed to make room for COVID-19 patients, operating room nurses have been enlisted to give infusions.

One factor driving the demand is that many patients, including vaccine skeptics, have been spreading the word about their seemingly miraculous recoveries.

“They’re like, ‘I have COVID, I want this treatment, my friend or family told me about this,’” said Jennifer Berry, the Houston Methodist nursing director of infusion services. “Now the word is out.”

At Houston Methodist, nurses administered nearly 1,100 treatments across eight sites in the first week of September, well more than twice as many as any week last winter. The hospital reduced the average time between orders and infusions to two days this month from three days in early August, giving patients a better chance of fighting off infections.

Juggling the infusions with more seriously ill COVID-19 patients this summer forced the hospital, in one case, to move a monoclonal antibody clinic to a strip mall storefront.

But the Texas health department has helped, providing 19 nurses for a different Houston Methodist infusion clinic, said Vicki Brownewell, the lead administrator for the hospital’s program. The Biden administration has also invested $150 million in expanding access to monoclonal antibodies, and Houston Methodist has used federal money to arrange medical taxis for patients struggling with transportation.

Even so, the infusions remain inaccessible to many. Given the heavy demands on staff and the need to create separate infusion rooms for infectious patients, certain communities, especially in rural areas, do not have clinics.

In San Diego, Ramers said, some large, for-profit hospitals have decided not to administer the antibodies at all because of the logistical hassles, leaving wealthier, well-insured patients to hunt down doses at his publicly funded clinic. Some nurses that he hired for infusions left for short, better-paying assignments in hard-hit intensive care units.

“The natural, capitalist incentives for health care organizations that are for profit don’t really favor doing this,” Ramers said. “It’s a lot of work.”

Of the 2.4 million monoclonal antibody doses shipped nationally, at least 1.1 million have been used. Precisely how many are still sitting on shelves is hard to determine because of reporting gaps. Still, waning federal supplies and soaring demand from less-vaccinated Southern states have caused what several states have described as large shortfalls in deliveries.

North Carolina providers have requested 15,000 weekly doses, the health department there said, more than double what the federal government has allocated. Florida said its latest weekly allotment left clinics there 41,000 doses short of what they wanted.

Hospitals had previously been able to order the drugs themselves. But the Department of Health and Human Services will now decide how many doses each state receives based on case rates and use of the treatment. State governments, in turn, will decide on doses for individual sites.

The new ordering process, which the Biden administration said would ensure “equitable distribution,” has unsettled some backers of the drug. Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, a Republican, warned Thursday that state officials were unprepared for the new responsibility of parceling out doses.

And in heavily vaccinated states, like New York, people coordinating treatments fear that shipments will plummet because of low case rates, leaving hospitals with so few doses that they shutter their programs. Some hospitals recently reported growing numbers of vaccinated patients receiving infusions.

Diana Berrent, the founder of Survivor Corps, which has worked to help patients find monoclonal antibody treatments, said that involving state governments would create delays: “You’re layering in 50 new layers of bureaucracy,” she said.

Doctors have warned that antibody treatments alone cannot keep pace with ballooning outbreaks. Whereas any one vaccination protects untold others from exposure, a single infusion only helps a single patient. Infusions must be given within 10 days of symptoms; they are unhelpful to most hospitalized patients. And receiving the antibodies once does not keep people from becoming seriously ill if they catch the virus again later.

“Something like that just doesn’t scale,” said Dr. Howard Huang, the medical leader for Houston Methodist’s infusion program.

As a result, health officials have warned that vaccine skeptics may become so enamored of monoclonal antibodies that they become even more resistant to getting a protective shot.

Within days of his infusion, Jones had left the bedroom where he had been quarantined and returned to his work as a landscape architect. But he was still weighing whether to be vaccinated.

His doctor was pushing for the shot, he said. But the monoclonal antibodies had worked so well that he was tempted to simply return for another infusion if he caught COVID-19 again.

“If I can go get an infusion and feel as good as I do right now, man, I’d rather not take a vaccine that has just been developed,” he said. “That makes me nervous, still.”
Go figure this out, before they get the virus they... (show quote)


It was planned that way; the antibody treatment is a way to introduce alien DNA into a disposable population, to see what would happen.

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Sep 20, 2021 17:52:30   #
EmilyD
 
Michael10 wrote:
EmilyD, what I'm posting is backed by science, not just a few but the majority of scientists and Doctors back my posts. I'm no bully and if you think telling the truth is bullying, I can't help you and as long as I see others posting what they think about the vaccine, I'll post what I think.

You call me a busybody but you twist stories like I tagged you on a few days ago. What I post I can hold science to back it up I don't have to cherrypick a story apart, like you, to get my point across.
EmilyD, what I'm posting is backed by science, not... (show quote)

You are out and out TELLING people to get the shot. You admitted that you do it. Your words: "I've also posted that people who can and don't are putting those who can't in danger." You've told people who have made their own choice not to get the shot that they are selfish! You've said MANY times to me and several others on this forum that they don't care about anybody, including their loved ones, if they don't get the shot! You call people "vaccine deniers" and liken them to snake charmers, for Pete's sake!

You think you are "telling the truth" by trying to coerce and shame people into doing something that YOU want them to do! That's not "telling the truth"! That's dictating to people that they should do what you are telling them to do or else they are endangering lives!! That is what bullies do.

You recently told drlarrygino this: "Unlike you I use my own mind to make decisions, no man tells me what to do."

Why don't you practice what you do and let people make up their own minds! You need to mind your own business and STOP telling people what to do...stop shaming them....and yes - stop trying to bully them.

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Sep 20, 2021 18:00:44   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
Michael10 wrote:
I'm not lumping the people who can't for health reasons, take the vaccine and have posted that before. I've also posted that people who can and don't are putting those who can't in danger. No i'm not ashamed of posting the truth about this virus and how many who deny the now FDA approved vaccine will take the unapproved antibodies for a cure. I am pointing a finger at the hypocrisy of refusing one and taking the other. I guess when people are faced with possible death or extended illness they change their minds on what is and isn't good for you.

The same people who won't take the vaccine because they don't know what's in it when faced with the virus will gladly take the antibody treatment. Maybe if more people would take the vaccine there would be more of the antibody treatments for those who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons.
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The biggest difference is that once you have had Covid-19...you're cured...
NOT with the shot

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Sep 20, 2021 18:20:31   #
Ricktloml
 
EmilyD wrote:
So you admittedly are STILL pushing and pushing for people to get the "vaccine" drugs (it's not a vaccine). Even when, now that enough time has passed, doctors and hospitals are seeing people presenting to them with symptoms from the gene therapy drugs? Symptoms like cardiac issues, neurological issues, balance issues, cognitive issues, aggressive behavior, encephalopathic (brain) issues....symptoms that are very different from Covid symptoms? There are things happening to people that have changed their lives forever....people who have gone from the caregivers to the care needy from these drugs!

You need to stop pushing this! Stop pushing drugs for something that is HIGHLY recoverable. STOP...and let people make their own decisions. There is information both pro and con for these drugs - very valuable information that individuals must take into consideration for their OWN lives with their OWN medical histories.

Stop pushing. Let people make up their own minds without being coerced and SHAMED into making a decision that might be one of the most important decisions of their lives!! YOU could be pushing them to their deaths. Stop it!
So you admittedly are STILL pushing and pushing fo... (show quote)



Biden/Harris is scaling back TREATMENT in red states to coerce the experimental jab...which as you pointed out has KNOWN serious short term side effects, and it looks like long term side effects won't be much better. But then again the Democrat/Communist Party has so much blood on their hands from denying treatments from the start they will never be able to get it all off.

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Sep 20, 2021 21:47:53   #
Michael10
 
BigMike wrote:
To justify your self righteousness you call information you're unfamiliar with "cherry-picked".


I posted the article that showed where you picked it from,,, get real.

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Sep 20, 2021 22:25:16   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Michael10 wrote:
I posted the article that showed where you picked it from,,, get real.


They have a difficult time with facts, Michael, but your attempts ARE appreciated by the non CT amongst us.

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Sep 20, 2021 22:41:05   #
EmilyD
 
useful mattoid 45 wrote:
They have a difficult time with facts, Michael, but your attempts ARE appreciated by the non CT amongst us.

It's always interesting when the sock puppets come out...

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Sep 20, 2021 22:50:01   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Michael10 wrote:
I posted the article that showed where you picked it from,,, get real.


That has nothing to do with it.

Australian Olympic swimmer Madi Wilson conracts covid-19 after "double vaccination"?... Doubled?!!

"It hits very hard". So much for "lessens the symptoms". Everyone is different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRwK0kgz_0Q

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Sep 20, 2021 22:50:27   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
useful mattoid 45 wrote:
They have a difficult time with facts, Michael, but your attempts ARE appreciated by the non CT amongst us.


see above

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