Doug Hansen-PGA Loc: Littlestown, Pennsylvania

I appreciate your growing up in the Deep South where, I'm told, a tremendous amount of resentment still abides to this very day.

Please understand that there exists in our country a lot of descendants of those who fought for the Confederacy - they were Americans, too - but it was the the South that fired on Ft. Sumter. They had to expect some sort of reply.

As appalling as the issue of slavery was to all God-fearing and loving people, the disgraceful institution existed for thousands of years. Having stated that how wonderful was January 1, 1863 in our country?

We recently left (fled) New York and moved to Pennsylvania, 20 minutes from Gettysburg, where NO Confederate monuments, plaques or markers will EVER be removed, regardless of how offended, all of a sudden, some might be.

Are we to tear down the Washington Monument, the Thomas Jefferson Memorial because they owned slaves? How about knocking down Mt. Vernon and Monticello?

Totally absurd notions on the part of the imbecilic "woke" crowd - if those notions even exist. And I fear that they do.

Traveling in this part of Pennsylvania, heading to a golf course in Gettysburg on business, I had to go through a small, quaint town - old homes so close to one another you could reach out a window and shake your neighbor's hand. Then I saw it: The Confederate flag blowing in the breeze right next our flag - our Stars & Stripes. I quickly looked at WAZE and realized that I was in Maryland. I smiled - understanding their PASSION and understanding mine.

This is OUR history - with all its blemishes and stains and wrongs - it is our history. To ignore it and remove it is to allow it to happen once again, albeit in different ways.

As I told folks on the battlefield at Gettysburg, who were there protesting Confederate monuments, "Why don't you just stay on the East side of the battlefield. There's far less monuments and markers for you to feel, as you say, "threatened" by pieces of granite and iron that have been here over one hundred years."

Freedom of speech: NO ONE gets to decide what that is, short of yelling "FIRE!!" in a crowded theater...

martsiva

The state you live in - does it still support slavery? Are you a slave?? Do you support the fact that people wanting into THIS country still proudly fly the flags of the country they are trying to leave instead of the American flag? You live in a PAST that has zero influence on your life today!! The Confederacy is GONE!!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I've encountered hyper-emotional milquetoasts like you, sensitivities like exposed nerves, everything offends them. Uneducated pull toys seeking a world of comfort, safety and security, "lookin' for Utopia in all the wrong places" where nothing offends, nothing disturbs, nothing upsets.

John Lennon wrote a song about that crap.

And, God forbid that you should contribute some of your hard earned tax dollars to that which offends you. So unfair, so unnerving.

I know the feeling.

But, a utility pole? With a flag on it? Now, there's an offense for the record books.

I reckon if you calculated it, your contribution to that pole would be some percent of a percent of a penny, like point zero zero cents.

Maybe check under the cushions on your sofa and easy chairs, could be some lost pennies under there, maybe even a nickel or dime, recover some of your money, balance things out.

Now, about that Civil War thing you're bitchin about. Specifically the Confederate States of America. And, slavery and treason, and other things.

Depending on who did the research, between 6% and 14% of southern land owners owned slaves, the wealthy aristocrats with the big plantations had maybe 100 slaves; folks owning a few acres of cotton had 1 or 2, at the very most 10.

More accurate studies reveal that 0.1% of southern land owners held 100 or more slaves, and on the other end, 76% held no slaves at all.

The succession of the southern states was not an "attempt to do away with America and it's values". The succession of the southern states was more of a states rights issue than it was a defense of slavery.

But, that was before the early 1900s when a democrat president introduced progressivism into American politics and who pushed an amendment that effectively destroyed Federalism and put states rights in the hands of the federal government. Been goin down hill ever since.

You wanna see some traitors, you don't have to go back a hundred and sixty years and accuse southerners of treason, just go to Washington DC, pay a visit to the WH, place is packed with 'em - everything from caged monkeys to mangy lions and retarded chimps (or chumps, if you please) to screaming banshees. It's like a zoo in there. Wild and crazy animals tearing our Constitution to shreds and shitting on our flag. And, not a sign anywhere telling us not to feed 'em.

A utility pole with a flag on it? What will you come up with next?

Might have to do some research, see how many utility poles there are in the US of A. I'll bet many of them have something on them that offends someone.

Know what offends me? Contributing against my principles to the killing of unborn babies, and shouldering some of the enormous financial burden of illegal immigration, and getting hammered by the rising costs of food, gas and electricity (which, BTW, those utility poles direct into my home), and having to pony up tax money to recover from a disastrous mistake resulting in the loss of life, the entrapment of Americans behind enemy lines, and loss of billions of dollars worth of military hardware and munitions.

And, of course, contributing to the salaries of the traitors in DC.

FYI: Robert E Lee was no traitor. And, neither was Stonewall or George Washington.




Hey, there it is. Kinda purty, I say. As American as cotton pickin and apple pie. Red, white and blue, got some stripes on it, and 13 stars just like the original 13. What Betsy Ross stitched up. Got one of these in my bug out bag. Just in case.

Doug Hansen-PGA Loc: Littlestown, Pennsylvania

I have no issue with those wanting in to our country flying the flag or their original nation.

But, with all due respect, it should be flying below our Stars & Stripes.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

Secession was the cause of the Civil War. The bankers put it on Lincoln to restore the states to the union.
Perhaps you weren't aware that there's an original 13th Amendment that has nothing to do with slavery?

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic. This hostile policy of our confederates has been pursued with every circumstance of aggravation which could arouse the passions and excite the hatred of our people, and has placed the two sections of the Union for many years past in the condition of virtual civil war. Our people, still attached to the Union from habit and national traditions, and averse to change, hoped that time, reason, and argument would bring, if not redress, at least exemption from further insults, injuries, and dangers. Recent events have fully dissipated all such hopes and demonstrated the necessity of separation.

Our Northern confederates, after a full and calm hearing of all the facts, after a fair warning of our purpose not to submit to the rule of the authors of all these wrongs and injuries, have by a large majority committed the Government of the United States into their hands. The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution.

While the subordination and the political and social inequality of the African race was fully conceded by all, it was plainly apparent that slavery would soon disappear from what are now the non-slave-holding States of the original thirteen. The opposition to slavery was then, as now, general in those States and the Constitution was made with direct reference to that fact. But a distinct abolition party was not formed in the United States for more than half a century after the Government went into operation. The main reason was that the North, even if united, could not control both branches of the Legislature during any portion of that time. Therefore such an organization must have resulted either in utter failure or in the total overthrow of the Government. The material prosperity of the North was greatly dependent on the Federal Government; that of the South not at all. In the first years of the Republic the navigating, commercial, and manufacturing interests of the North began to seek profit and aggrandizement at the expense of the agricultural interests. Even the owners of fishing smacks sought and obtained bounties for pursuing their own business (which yet continue), and $500,000 is now paid them annually out of the Treasury. The navigating interests begged for protection against foreign shipbuilders and against competition in the coasting trade.

Congress granted both requests, and by prohibitory acts gave an absolute monopoly of this business to each of their interests, which they enjoy without diminution to this day. Not content with these great and unjust advantages, they have sought to throw the legitimate burden of their business as much as possible upon the public; they have succeeded in throwing the cost of light-houses, buoys, and the maintenance of their seamen upon the Treasury, and the Government now pays above $2,000,000 annually for the support of these objects. Theses interests, in connection with the commercial and manufacturing classes, have also succeeded, by means of subventions to mail steamers and the reduction in postage, in relieving their business from the payment of about $7,000,000 annually, throwing it upon the public Treasury under the name of postal deficiency.

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Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Thanks...That was quite interesting and informative

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

https://confederatewave.org/wave/confederate-flag-history.phtml

Confederate Flag History Lesson

The best-known of all Confederate flags the battle flag is often erroneously confused with the national flag of the Confederacy. The battle flag features the cross of St. Andrew (the apostle was martyred by being crucified on an X-shaped cross), and is commonly called the "Southern Cross." A large degree of the Southern population was of Scottish and Scotch-Irish ancestry, and thus familiar with St. Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland. The stars represented the eleven states actually in the Confederacy, plus Kentucky and Missouri.
The Army of Northern Virginia was the first to design a flag with the cross of St. Andrew, and Gen. P. G. T. Beauregard proposed adopting a version of it as the standard battle flag of the Confederate army. One of its virtues was that, unlike the Stars and Bars, the Southern Cross was next to impossible to confuse with the Stars and Stripes in battle.

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Carol Kelly

Thank you for the post. There is resentment down here because of all that’s happened since 1865. The mistreatment that we still suffer occasionally. In England, on a Sunday morning listening to a minister on the radio, heard him use Mississippi as a reference to the most sinful of sinful. Doubt he’s ever been here, but he’d heard stories. We were awarded with a black governor appointment in 1865.

Carol Kelly

Beautiful!

Carol Kelly

It’s Joe Biden.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

For all of those who love Elvis and his beautiful “Dixieland”. My husband took me to see Elvis in 1975 when we were dating! I gotta admit it brought tears to my eyes!

https://youtu.be/OD8f_HkD4Dc

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

I agree. It has been my experience, in Texas, that both flags are flown together!

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Elvis, always and forever The King.

WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX

You have a choice…..remain ignorant or read about the accomplishments of Robert E. Lee before, during and after the civil war.

Are you feeling better that his statue was removed from Richmond today? Or are you happy to trigger people you hate? Or both!

WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX

Yankees aren’t humans.