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Sep 4, 2021 20:47:08   #
grumbledog
 
I find it interesting that Republicans run around tell the government to stay out of their unless you happen to be a woman then they want to tell what you can do with your body. Wonder how many of those 61,000,000 (don’t know where you get your numbers) would you be willing to adopt.

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Sep 4, 2021 21:07:03   #
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lindajoy wrote:
At one point one would have relied on the United States Supreme Court of the United States however, they too, have allowed themselves to become entrenched in politics and political leaning pressure. The worst thing that ever could’ have happened to the highest court of the nation..

The only answer, if we are to correct this, is to have strong term limits from supreme courts all the way down to the mayors of the cities... Six years and you’re done no other position allowed no lobbying for any other special interest group once you’re out etc. And certainly no life termers with the Supreme Court of the United States, they have abrogated that right!!! The original purpose was to keep consistency within our constitutional boundaries in consistent rulings however things have changed...
At one point one would have relied on the United S... (show quote)


I agree that life terms on the Supreme Court of the U.S. are problematic. That depends on other things, though. You've said, "The original purpose was to keep consistency within our constitutional boundaries in consistent rulings...". I don't know those details, but I'd agree that there might have been some good reason for life terms. But the way judges become Supreme Court Justices, the way the Senate treats the confirmation hearings, and the way the nominations depend so much on who's president when some Supreme Court justice dies, and how the confirmations are now seen to depend so much on which POLITICAL party happens to be in power in the Senate at the time, and which political party the president is, all has big influences in who ends up with LIFE terms on the U.S. Supreme Court. There are only NINE of those justices, and for them to have life terms is just too much power set up by all these fickle circumstances. The political circumstances are too fickle, and their results are too permanent.

If there were a lot more justices on the Supreme Court (SC) (even if all had life terms), maybe there would be more evenness and less chance for one faction to gain too much power over others. Right now we have 6 of 9 being "Conservative" which is a kind of supermajority such that even when Roberts, a "Conservative", sides with the "Liberal" justices, 6 of 9 is such a big majority that the remaining 5 "Conservatives" are unshakable and don't even have to give reasoning for their decisions on big important matters (as happened in the current Texas-related abortion-related case where it was decided shadow-docket style).

Something needs to change. I doubt that American "Conservative" people would feel okay about 6 out of 9 US SC justices being "Liberal"! We need a US SC that everybody can respect and trust.

Term limits is one simple way to address the problem. With the right term limits, then, when one President gets to appoint a large number of justices to the SC (e.g., three, which is a large number when the total on the SC is only nine), it won't lock in a political supermajority for more than ten years!

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Sep 4, 2021 21:15:20   #
EmilyD
 
grumbledog wrote:
I find it interesting that Republicans run around tell the government to stay out of their unless you happen to be a woman then they want to tell what you can do with your body. Wonder how many of those 61,000,000 (don’t know where you get your numbers) would you be willing to adopt.


The numbers are from the CDC:

"In 2018, 619,591 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. Among 48 reporting areas with data each year during 2009–2018, in 2018, a total of 614,820 abortions were reported, the abortion rate was 11.3 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 189 abortions per 1,000 live births."

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm

And there would be much fewer babies to adopt if those numbers were controlled by laws that say murdering an unborn child is a crime.

And ALSO...there would be fewer babies needing adoption if people used one of the SIXTEEN birth control methods that PREVENT pregnancy. Killing babies should not be a convenient birth control method!

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Sep 4, 2021 21:24:37   #
EmilyD
 
TexaCan wrote:
I wish more people could understand that. My husband’s son and my son are 4 months apart. When they were 16 Jack’s son got in quite a bit of trouble! After three years of fighting against all the problems that drug use causes sending him to rehab was our last chance to try and help him……long story…….In rehab we met another couple that had a son in rehab and 2 other daughters. Three times a week we went to Ft. worth to different sessions. They treated the entire family, not just the patient.

Their story came out in one of the parents sessions that their youngest daughter was the result of a vicious rape by 3 men. They had chosen to keep the baby and raise her just like their two older children. She was a beautiful, smart, sweet 12 year old and she was her Daddy’s girl. He cried the night they shared this story!

She is living proof that the child should NEVER be murdered because of the sin of the sperm donor! I can understand not wanting to keep the baby, that wouldn’t be for everyone, but there are always couples waiting to adopt! Every child deserves a chance to live! IMHO. 🙏🏻
I wish more people could understand that. My husba... (show quote)


That is such a nice story, Texacan! It makes my heart soar to hear of that outcome!!!

And it's what I've been trying to get across to people who don't understand that we are dealing with human life here! When people get shot, or are in a car accident, or have heart attacks or any number of medical problems, look at what amazing, sometimes heroic, efforts are taken by others to save that person's life! I just can't understand why people don't feel the same way about a tiny little baby??!! They're just thrown out with the trash!

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Sep 4, 2021 21:26:31   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
America 1 wrote:
The rape victim having to live with a reminder of the event is probably not real pleasant.
However, the baby is innocent.


There is always the morning after contraceptive...
The "Morning-After Pill", Rape Victims and Ethical and Religious situations in an "emergency contraception" can be appropriately used to prevent ovulation ...Therefore not allowing pregnancy at all if taken no later than 72 hrs after and more efficient 12 hrs later..~~

Emergency contraception is a critical component of comprehensive post-rape care for women. However, sexual assault survivors often face obstacles in accessing EC products and information... Not all public health care systems or police have access to such and that window does go by quickly..

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Sep 4, 2021 22:09:47   #
grandaddyw Loc: FLORIDA
 
How about election a man that is brain dead.A man that is a crook,a man that is a disgrace to the religion he said he belongs to. J could go on and I think I will. What kind of person would vote for a man like this. A brain dead person.

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Sep 5, 2021 00:10:46   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Michael10 wrote:
Republicans especially here on OPP cry about their freedoms but would take those same freedoms away from anyone who doesn't think just like them.

They clame to love unbore children but turn their backs to help feed of cloth those children.

They want to tell people what to do with their bodies while crying about a safe vaccine they don't want in their body.

They want to tell people who they can love and/or marry

They want to cry about false election fraud while gerrymandering and making it harder for people to vote.

They tell one president he can't appoint a judge to the SCOTUS the last year of his presidency then do exactly the that with another president.

They allow their president to spend like a drunken sailor then complain when another spends to upgrade American infrastructure.

They say it's a sin to cheat on your wife while supporting and voting for a man who cheated on his wife.

They want to condemn a Governor for accused sexually molesting several women while supporting a man who did exactly the same thing.

I could go on and on but my point is made, hypocrisy is just another word for republican.
Republicans especially here on OPP cry about their... (show quote)


That last line is a real hoot, considering all the hypocrisy in your little twisted list of lies.

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Sep 5, 2021 00:21:32   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Michael10 wrote:
Even worst, Texas now encourages it's citizens to rat each other out and pay a bounty for doing it. Wonder how many doors will get kicked in because of this.

Texas has opened pandoroas box by passing a law that allows bounties for information. Now of course, Florida is talking the same talk.. This will end badly, you'll have more restricting laws passed under the precdint set with this case and freedom will be it's worst victim.


i totally understand how you feel, and absolutely respect your right to express your outrage.
Considering how you feel, maybe it would be best if you do not bother coming to Texas. In fact, all of the liberals who have flocked here over the past dozen years because of our booming economy, our freedom loving State laws, and our positive outlook on life, well, maybe they would be happier to go back to California or New York and let theri nanny state governments take care of them.
That's one of the wonderful things about our system. The citizens of each state get to make the laws that they must live under. If you do not approve, you are free to move somewhere else. So rage all you want....from somewhere else, please.

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Sep 5, 2021 00:33:46   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
microphor wrote:
Here's a dispute for you. I've personally carried two babies, both of which I could feel moving and hear heartbeat (with monitor) before I even showed. I'm small, carry my babies to the back and wouldn't start showing till nearly 5 months. My babies were alive then and are alive now. One of them fought and deployed 5 times to insure you have the right to spew your ignorant non-sense. Dispute that!


Well said! And my deep thanks to your child for their service.

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Sep 5, 2021 00:48:16   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
kemmer wrote:
People have no right to impose their moral values on others, much less have them codified into law. You have no way of knowing the circumstances of another’s pregnancy. Texas now mandates even rape and incest pregnancies be carried to term.
What a windfall for New Mexico clinics.


People absolutely DO have the right to impose their moral values on others! What do you think the laws against murder are? And theft, and fraud, and all the rest? It is generally not a good idea, especially at the federal level. But states and local government most certainly DO have the right to legislate morals, as long as they do not violate the Constitution, which is a document designed to LIMIT government to establish and maintain personal freedoms.
And by the way, changing the referent of a preborn child to "fetus" or "non-viable" or anything else does not change the truth of him/her being a child.
And another thing. Anti-abortion laws are NOT intended to take away anyone's freedom. It is intended to SAVE A CHILD'S LIFE. The fact that it affects a woman's choice is regretful, but necessary. Accusing a person of a crime is also freedom limiting, and can be life destroying, whether they are eventually convicted or exonerated. Yet I don't hear you complaining about the people who have been imprisoned for six months while the riot of Jan. 6th is 'investigated'. In fact, you celebrate it.

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Sep 5, 2021 00:50:10   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
kemmer wrote:
If there’s still controversy on when or whether a soul is imparted in the fetus or baby, every woman is entitled to her own sense of morality concerning a her own body.


So now you are a founding father, deciding who is entitled to what? A person of many talents, apparently.

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Sep 5, 2021 00:50:47   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
kemmer wrote:
Whether or not she is indeed “killing a baby” by aborting a fetus remains a subjective judgment.


Nope. Not hardly.

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Sep 5, 2021 00:59:39   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
EmilyD wrote:
I am advocating to NOT get pregnant in the first place. There's nothing moral or immoral about that. Just don't use killing babies as your method of birth control, when there are so many other ways to prevent the pregnancy in the first place. And I stand by my affirmation that no matter WHAT the circumstances of its conception are....it is NOT the baby's fault!!!!

I agree that babies who are the result of rape and incest be carried to term. Because even though it is sad and preposterous that women get raped and pregnant via other means of abuse, it is STILL not the baby's fault!

You are ignoring the fact that there is another human life involved besides the woman and man who had the sex that resulted in the pregnancy, no matter what the conditions of that sex were, there is still the baby to consider.

You don't care about that, obviously, but there are a lot of people who do care about the little person who has no voice because it can't think for itself and speak yet.

Again! Thank you Texas for being that voice!!!!
I am advocating to NOT get pregnant in the first p... (show quote)


i agree with you. And though I am a religious person, my reasons are not based on that. It is simple logic, and based on the concept that human life is to be preserved whenever possible, and regardless of the circumstances. People who abuse or kill children, babies, or the unborn are mentally defective, and probably should be eliminated from the gene pool.

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Sep 5, 2021 01:00:40   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
EmilyD wrote:
The rape/incest victim will live with the rape/incest no matter what. The baby would most likely would go to an adopted home where it will be cared for and loved, and live a long and happy life with children of their own. If the woman blames the baby for what happened to her, then she should receive treatment for those feelings and learn how to deal with them. That baby should not be killed because of what, unfortunately, happened to other people.



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Sep 5, 2021 01:19:39   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
grumbledog wrote:
I find it interesting that Republicans run around tell the government to stay out of their unless you happen to be a woman then they want to tell what you can do with your body. Wonder how many of those 61,000,000 (don’t know where you get your numbers) would you be willing to adopt.


Since I do not know you, I will assume your are not being willfully ignorant, and answer your questions.
Conservatives (not necessarily republicans) tell the government to stay out of their personal business and hands off our freedoms! And one of those freedoms is LIFE! Conservatives do not want to tell a woman what to do with their bodies, but we insist that the child be given the same right to life as any other human being. I won't, but I could give you a long list of examples where a person's rights are limited or removed to protect the life or well being of another. It is very common, and both moral, ethical, and legal.
As for the 61,000,000 count? That is the number of abortions tabulated by the government since RvsW was passed. Do you know how to use google? If not, contact me by private message and I will give you a free lesson so that you will not look so foolish in the future. For practice, you can look up the number of couples who are waiting to adopt. Especially for newborns. Every single unwanted newborn can be placed. If you are really interested in actual facts, you might check out the political leanings of people who adopt, foster, and give substantial amounts to charities. The answers will almost certainly surprise you.

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