This is Bidens biggest blunder (Page 11): The afghan's "knew" we were moving out for months and months, for one thing it was supposed to happen back in May, so answer me this, why...

Cuda2020

Strycker wrote:

Obviously the Afghans knew the US military was going to leave at some point, however, the time was not disclosed and they did leave in the overnight after turning off the power and leaving the base unsecured when the Afghans showed up in the morning. Your "logic" doesn't overrule the truth. Or, do you now believe NPR is a lying organization?

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/06/1013319188/the-u-s-left-an-afghan-airfield-at-night-without-telling-the-new-commander

The afghan's "knew" we were moving out for months and months, for one thing it was supposed to happen back in May, so answer me this, why hadn't their military leaders moved some of their forces to integrate and occupy the bases long before hand? Seems to make sense to me. Why didn't the countries work together on that, it appears to be a total disconnect between the two, why?

Also why hadn't they made arrangements to house and protect their people in those seven bases?

WEBCO

Cuda2020 wrote:

How about we use logic, they wouldn't be here if they preferred sharia "law", they {came here}to escape it.

No they came here to escape economic poverty, just like the millions of illegal aliens crossing our southern border. That is logic, not running away from their religious beliefs.

Cuda2020

WEBCO wrote:

No they came here to escape economic poverty, just like the millions of illegal aliens crossing our southern border. That is logic, not running away from their religious beliefs.

I wasn't talking about religious beliefs we were talking about laws, and they ran from their country to escape their suppressive laws. If they came here it is with the agreement of our laws which if it is giving them more freedoms and embracing their inalienable rights, why wouldn't they want that? People naturally want freedoms, or do you think people like being caged? Your argument is illogical and just a conditioned bias response from not really thinking it out.

son of witless

Cuda2020 wrote:

The afghan's "knew" we were moving out for months and months, for one thing it was supposed to happen back in May, so answer me this, why hadn't their military leaders moved some of their forces to integrate and occupy the bases long before hand? Seems to make sense to me. Why didn't the countries work together on that, it appears to be a total disconnect between the two, why?

Also why hadn't they made arrangements to house and protect their people in those seven bases?

You will do anything, perform any mental or moral gymnastic necessary to rationalize this Joe Caused Catastrophe. The Afghan government and military were nothing without the US backing them up. The Trump Administration knew it. After sitting next to Obama for 8 years, Joe should have known it. Before withdrawing the American Military, everyone in the World except Joe knew, that you had to get the civilians and American Military equipment out.

Please continue on with your blaming everyone else for what the guy you put in charge of protecting my country, did. People who are on the fence about Biden verses Trump will go solidly Republican in the next few elections now. Bottom line is Biden just tarnished your Liberal-Progressive Brand. Jimmy Carter has finally been topped.

peg w

The withdrawal was a true mess, but remember Biden did have a choice. He could have remained in Afghanistan and fought the talaban with a troup surge. Lots more troups, lots more deaths. Afghan rulers were a slimy lot. We sucked up to the drug dealers and corrupt war loards. It was messy, but Biden showed his disdain of those people in his speech.
Being in S Korea, Germany and Japan is quite different. We are not activly fighting an insurection every couple of years.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

son of witless wrote:

You will do anything, perform any mental or moral ... (show quote)

"Please continue on with your blaming everyone else for what the guy you put in charge of protecting my country, did. People who are on the fence about Biden verses Trump will go solidly Republican in the next few elections now. Bottom line is Biden just tarnished your Liberal-Progressive Brand.
****Jimmy Carter has finally been topped."

Yep!

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

Cuda2020 wrote:

The afghan's "knew" we were moving out for months and months, for one thing it was supposed to happen back in May, so answer me this, why hadn't their military leaders moved some of their forces to integrate and occupy the bases long before hand? Seems to make sense to me. Why didn't the countries work together on that, it appears to be a total disconnect between the two, why?

Also why hadn't they made arrangements to house and protect their people in those seven bases?

Moving out once certain conditions had been met by the Taliban. They hadn't been met, yet Joe pulled out anyway in the middle of the night.

Can't say why the US didn't allow the Afghans to integrate and occupy the bases. Security perhaps. Guess you should ask Biden that question.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Strycker wrote:

Moving out once certain conditions had been met by the Taliban. They hadn't been met, yet Joe pulled out anyway in the middle of the night.

Can't say why the US didn't allow the Afghans to integrate and occupy the bases. Security perhaps. Guess you should ask Biden that question.

What Biden stood over on his watch, is unbelievably stupid and ignorant.
Who is pulling his strings?

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Milosia2 wrote:

I think it was trumps decision to pull out and he set the ball in motion.
Now, of course it’s all the democrats fault.
Trumps decision. Not Biden’s.

Yes, he did; however, Biden rewrote the whole plan.

Quote:

The date to be out by was written by trump.

Which date Biden changed.

son of witless

eagleye13 wrote:

"Please continue on with your blaming everyone else for what the guy you put in charge of protecting my country, did. People who are on the fence about Biden verses Trump will go solidly Republican in the next few elections now. Bottom line is Biden just tarnished your Liberal-Progressive Brand.
****Jimmy Carter has finally been topped."

Yep!

I love how they rationalize Biden's mistake. I hope they continue. It's like listening to 3 year olds lying about breaking mom's favorite tea cup.

Cuda2020

son of witless wrote:

You will do anything, perform any mental or moral ... (show quote)

You really haven't been paying attention to my posts, all I've done is post some questions. Its not your country it's our country and you're the one who refuses to admit who put this in motion. The Afghanis appear to be cowards. What do you want us to do, fight their unending civil war and get our sons and daughters killed, for who? Them? Why?

It's not over till the fat lady sings. It's always so utterly contemptable how you people will hope on failure to our country just to try and win back the throne in the Oval office, you never let you eye off of your ball, even if its the demise of our country, that's no patriot.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Cuda2020 wrote:

You really haven't been paying attention to my posts, all i've done is post some questions.

I honestly can't say it of Son of Witless, but many responders to posts clearly show a lack of fully reading them or reading 'em completely with comprehension. It is common on OPP that often, preconceived notions of a poster determine individual's responses and not the actual content of a post. Also, they will totally ignore what doesn't sit well with 'em. I observe both every day.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

son of witless wrote:

I love how they rationalize Biden's mistake. I hope they continue. It's like listening to 3 year olds lying about breaking mom's favorite tea cup.

You mean, kind'a like Trump's followers overlook(ed) his many flaws, foibles and stumbles

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

AuntiE wrote:

Which date Biden changed.

It is not about dates.
It is about lacking in preparation and sequencing the US pull out.
Something Trump would have taken the time to get as right as possible.

The HUGE mess is on Biden and crew.

Cuda2020

slatten49 wrote:

I honestly can't say it of Son of Witless, but many responders to posts clearly show a lack of fully reading them or reading 'em completely with comprehension. It is common on OPP that often, preconceived notions of a poster determine individual's responses and not the actual content of post. Also, they will totally ignore what doesn't sit well with 'em. I observe both every day.

Very, very true slatt, and something can be easily misconstrued when writing, that's why it's better to ask for affirmation then to be accusatory and offensive. To be clear, that is not pertaining to blatant insults, then all's fair in love and war is my motto.

As far as this mess, Why are we not supporting our president before jumping to conclusions. Sounds to me like the Afghanis, got training, got weapons, including aircraft, and even got paid, and when it came time to fight they turned tail, so what gives, do they want us to fight their war for them. They WILL bankrupt us! And yes leave us vulnerable to other adversaries waiting in the wings. We must prioritize, because this damn war is costing us a fortune in money and lives, and it will be something we can never win. So what's it all for, where's all the allies, standing behind us using us as a shield? Just saying