lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Perhaps, due to the inanimate objects some people claim to be brains.

Kitten Courageous Loc: The Derelict Ship Maggie's Revenge

I think it's a matter of ethics. If your message gets someone killed, then in the matter of ethics, you are immoral for forcing yourself upon whomever pays you attention. In that case, I am right and you are wrong.

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American Vet

And maybe save 500,000 lives annually as well.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost every major study on defensive gun use has found that Americans use their firearms defensively between 500,000 and 3 million times each year.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Nonsense, Kitten. My message is that only legal gun owners, responsible and emotionally mature, should keep and bear firearms. There has NEVER EVER been an incident when a quality firearm that was legally owned and safely and legally used has harmed ANYone.
But no matter what my "message" is, Kitten, your theory is nonsense. No message can possible "get someone killed". INDIVIDUAL people are responsible for their actions. Period. And I have forced myself on no one. Every person who reads and participates in OPP does so of their own free will. If you are referring to my belief in self defense, again, nonsense. Nothing I have ever said or done has forced anyone to seek out and acquire a firearm.
So once again, I am right and you continue to be wrong, as you do your best to deny people the right to defend themselves.
But you are right about one thing.....moral responsibility. Every single person that is mugged, raped, killed, or otherwise harmed, every father and mother that had to bury a child, every bereaved and heartsick person who had to face life without a loved one killed by violence that could have been stopped or mitigated by the use of a defensive firearm, lays an ethical burden at YOUR door, and all those who believe as you do.

1alpha7

Why is it that it is always an inanimate object like firearms the fault?

Actually, firearms, like other inanimate objects, are not at fault. But, who can convence anti-gun advocates that inanimate objects do nothing except take up space.

When you're afraid for your life because of abusing/plans of abusing citizen's rights, the most important step is to confiscate weapons from them & tell all criminals not to buy or use guns... That's the mentality of the educated political parties of the Biden Era.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

EN Submarine Qualified Loc: Wisconsin East coast

Food for thought for you:

1. device usually referred to as a gun is loaded with ammunition which had been manufactured with a primer, a propellant and what is commonly referred to as a bullet.
3. When a round of the ammunition isloaded into the chamber, it is in position where the primer might be struck with the firing pin.
If the hammer is placed in firing position, it may be released to strike the firing pin.
4. The action of the hammer is governed by the trigger.
5. Should the trigger be depressed, the hammer contacts the firing pin giving a shock to the primer.
6. At this time the primer detonates to cause further burning of the propellant.
7. The propellant moves the bullet projectile down the barrel to exit at a speed of some thousand feet per second as aimed toward the target.
8. Target absorbs bullet with conquences.

A person is required to perform steps 1. 2. 3. 4. and 5.

There are absolutely no autonmous actions by the gun.

Want to stop shooting of persons by another person?
a. Move the country back to belief in the commandment "Thou shalt not kill"
b. Law enforcement take action on complaints that "Joe or Jill Blow" needs looking at.
c. Enforce sentencing guidelines with no exceptions.
d. Revamp physcho standards to include evaluating people to determine stability.
e. Remove those failing from society until correction is verified in restored insane asylums.
f. After accomplishing above, repeal all gun laws as useless.

American Vet

I like your 1 - 8 and comments.

I would say that I have concerns about sections B & D. I ask you to consider these points:

B. "Needs looking at". This is already a concern associated with 'red flag laws'. I personally know a doctor (psychiatrist) - who has the power to have a person committed to a mental health facility, whether they want to or not, for a period of time for an "evaluation" - who has stated that if a person feels the need to own a gun, they are mentally unstable. Depending on the individual states use of 'red flag laws' (if it has one), the animal rights activist (rabid anti-hunters that they are) have stated they have plans to utilize this against gun owners. Just saying this is something that needs to be carefully considered.

D. Not a reliable standard. Too many times someone has completed a 'course of treatment' yet went down the same path again. An excellent example to consider is the poor success rate of drug rehab programs.

Carol Kelly

Biden’s new AG says we’ll never get crime under control with all the ILLEGAL GUNS out there. I agree with him but I don’t really think Biden will agree.

American Vet

They aren't illegal "guns" - there are felons and criminals who possess guns. That's the illegal part.

martsiva

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Do you understand that criminals ALWAYS have guns to get what they want?? Do you understand that law abiding gun owners have the right to protect themselves from criminals with guns?? If you are confronted by a criminal with a gun, what defense will you use? Do you understand that question??

American Vet

The criminal doesn't have to have a gun to be dangerous; many other things are considered weapons. As an elderly, partially disabled man a healthy young 18 year old stud could probably beat me to death with his fists.

Well, maybe not. I am a sneaky SOB.....

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

A while back I started a post on OPP where I asked nongun owners what plans they had in place should them or a family member be attacked in public, or if they were the victims of a home invasion. I pursued the question for several weeks. I got lots of responses from gun owners, but only one from out of all our resident gun hating crowd. Her response was that she rarely got out, and their home was far off the road and out of sight, so she wasn't worried about it. That was the only one.
What kind of mind thinks that is a plan for protecting their loved ones???????? That's when I came to the conclusion that some people really are simply born victims. No wonder they want to give all authority to Big Brother government.

martsiva

Far off the road and out of sight is a perfect target for criminals to hit!! Who would see them??

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

i agree, but apparently she is comfortable with that risk. So be it. Personally, as I told her, my firearm resides securely beside my bed at night, and at all other times sits snuggly on my right hip (unless my wife is watching it while I shower). She asked what I was so afraid of. My response: I am afraid of being at a criminals mercy should the time ever come. And as crime levels rise, so does the threats. A weapon in the hands of a competent and trained user gives one options.