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May 16, 2021 10:11:58   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
This is getting old and defies what I was taught all of my life. An opinion is not a lie. An opinion does not defy the constitution nor does it defy the rule of law. In fact, the rule of law and the Constitution says I can have my opinion and I can speak kit. If I think the election was fraudulent and I say so, it is not a lie, it is an opinion. Until it is proven that the election was not fraudulent, I will continue to say so, it is my opinion and It Is Not A Lie.

To me, the big lie is the claim that it HAS been proven, in court, that the election was not fraudulent. No court has decided, based upon evidence, that the election was not fraudulent. None. No court. Saying the courts have decided there was no election fraud is by far, the Big Lie. I guess I can see why the "powers that be" want us to shut up and let it go but it is just too important, whether your guy won or lost. WE Have Got To Know For Sure. Our country depends on it. But I hear on virtually every news outlet this notion that Trump is defying the constitution and the rule of law by continuing to claim the election was fraudulent. It is pure gas lighting by the media and those who hated Trump, nothing more.

So, if you are one who refers to Trump's claim about election fraud as the "Big Lie," then it is you who are lying, it is you who are participating in the big gas lighting campaign to convince us that the election was secure and non-fraudulent. YOU are promoting the "Big Lie," not us and not Donald Trump. You will not convince us and, as far as I am concerned, you are only trying to assuage your own doubts; IOW, you KNOW there is a very good chance that there was just enough election fraud to swing just enough votes to turn just enough states to Biden and give him White House. YOU KNOW IT, WE ALL KNOW IT so give it up. Give up the Big Lie and just move on. It's not like it hasn't happened before; think JFK. But we need to make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

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May 16, 2021 10:51:14   #
Hug
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
This is getting old and defies what I was taught all of my life. An opinion is not a lie. An opinion does not defy the constitution nor does it defy the rule of law. In fact, the rule of law and the Constitution says I can have my opinion and I can speak kit. If I think the election was fraudulent and I say so, it is not a lie, it is an opinion. Until it is proven that the election was not fraudulent, I will continue to say so, it is my opinion and It Is Not A Lie.

To me, the big lie is the claim that it HAS been proven, in court, that the election was not fraudulent. No court has decided, based upon evidence, that the election was not fraudulent. None. No court. Saying the courts have decided there was no election fraud is by far, the Big Lie. I guess I can see why the "powers that be" want us to shut up and let it go but it is just too important, whether your guy won or lost. WE Have Got To Know For Sure. Our country depends on it. But I hear on virtually every news outlet this notion that Trump is defying the constitution and the rule of law by continuing to claim the election was fraudulent. It is pure gas lighting by the media and those who hated Trump, nothing more.

So, if you are one who refers to Trump's claim about election fraud as the "Big Lie," then it is you who are lying, it is you who are participating in the big gas lighting campaign to convince us that the election was secure and non-fraudulent. YOU are promoting the "Big Lie," not us and not Donald Trump. You will not convince us and, as far as I am concerned, you are only trying to assuage your own doubts; IOW, you KNOW there is a very good chance that there was just enough election fraud to swing just enough votes to turn just enough states to Biden and give him White House. YOU KNOW IT, WE ALL KNOW IT so give it up. Give up the Big Lie and just move on. It's not like it hasn't happened before; think JFK. But we need to make sure it doesn't happen ever again.
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Great post!

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May 16, 2021 11:00:32   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
This is getting old and defies what I was taught all of my life. An opinion is not a lie. An opinion does not defy the constitution nor does it defy the rule of law. In fact, the rule of law and the Constitution says I can have my opinion and I can speak kit. If I think the election was fraudulent and I say so, it is not a lie, it is an opinion. Until it is proven that the election was not fraudulent, I will continue to say so, it is my opinion and It Is Not A Lie.

To me, the big lie is the claim that it HAS been proven, in court, that the election was not fraudulent. No court has decided, based upon evidence, that the election was not fraudulent. None. No court. Saying the courts have decided there was no election fraud is by far, the Big Lie. I guess I can see why the "powers that be" want us to shut up and let it go but it is just too important, whether your guy won or lost. WE Have Got To Know For Sure. Our country depends on it. But I hear on virtually every news outlet this notion that Trump is defying the constitution and the rule of law by continuing to claim the election was fraudulent. It is pure gas lighting by the media and those who hated Trump, nothing more.

So, if you are one who refers to Trump's claim about election fraud as the "Big Lie," then it is you who are lying, it is you who are participating in the big gas lighting campaign to convince us that the election was secure and non-fraudulent. YOU are promoting the "Big Lie," not us and not Donald Trump. You will not convince us and, as far as I am concerned, you are only trying to assuage your own doubts; IOW, you KNOW there is a very good chance that there was just enough election fraud to swing just enough votes to turn just enough states to Biden and give him White House. YOU KNOW IT, WE ALL KNOW IT so give it up. Give up the Big Lie and just move on. It's not like it hasn't happened before; think JFK. But we need to make sure it doesn't happen ever again.
This is getting old and defies what I was taught a... (show quote)


No different than calling the Capital riot an insurrection~~ They lie to exaggerate, create falsehoods and spread it without Conscience...

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May 16, 2021 11:03:17   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
This is getting old and defies what I was taught all of my life. An opinion is not a lie. An opinion does not defy the constitution nor does it defy the rule of law. In fact, the rule of law and the Constitution says I can have my opinion and I can speak kit. If I think the election was fraudulent and I say so, it is not a lie, it is an opinion. Until it is proven that the election was not fraudulent, I will continue to say so, it is my opinion and It Is Not A Lie.

To me, the big lie is the claim that it HAS been proven, in court, that the election was not fraudulent. No court has decided, based upon evidence, that the election was not fraudulent. None. No court. Saying the courts have decided there was no election fraud is by far, the Big Lie. I guess I can see why the "powers that be" want us to shut up and let it go but it is just too important, whether your guy won or lost. WE Have Got To Know For Sure. Our country depends on it. But I hear on virtually every news outlet this notion that Trump is defying the constitution and the rule of law by continuing to claim the election was fraudulent. It is pure gas lighting by the media and those who hated Trump, nothing more.

So, if you are one who refers to Trump's claim about election fraud as the "Big Lie," then it is you who are lying, it is you who are participating in the big gas lighting campaign to convince us that the election was secure and non-fraudulent. YOU are promoting the "Big Lie," not us and not Donald Trump. You will not convince us and, as far as I am concerned, you are only trying to assuage your own doubts; IOW, you KNOW there is a very good chance that there was just enough election fraud to swing just enough votes to turn just enough states to Biden and give him White House. YOU KNOW IT, WE ALL KNOW IT so give it up. Give up the Big Lie and just move on. It's not like it hasn't happened before; think JFK. But we need to make sure it doesn't happen ever again.
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Great post

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May 16, 2021 12:11:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
This is getting old and defies what I was taught all of my life. An opinion is not a lie. An opinion does not defy the constitution nor does it defy the rule of law. In fact, the rule of law and the Constitution says I can have my opinion and I can speak kit. If I think the election was fraudulent and I say so, it is not a lie, it is an opinion. Until it is proven that the election was not fraudulent, I will continue to say so, it is my opinion and It Is Not A Lie.

To me, the big lie is the claim that it HAS been proven, in court, that the election was not fraudulent. No court has decided, based upon evidence, that the election was not fraudulent. None. No court. Saying the courts have decided there was no election fraud is by far, the Big Lie. I guess I can see why the "powers that be" want us to shut up and let it go but it is just too important, whether your guy won or lost. WE Have Got To Know For Sure. Our country depends on it. But I hear on virtually every news outlet this notion that Trump is defying the constitution and the rule of law by continuing to claim the election was fraudulent. It is pure gas lighting by the media and those who hated Trump, nothing more.

So, if you are one who refers to Trump's claim about election fraud as the "Big Lie," then it is you who are lying, it is you who are participating in the big gas lighting campaign to convince us that the election was secure and non-fraudulent. YOU are promoting the "Big Lie," not us and not Donald Trump. You will not convince us and, as far as I am concerned, you are only trying to assuage your own doubts; IOW, you KNOW there is a very good chance that there was just enough election fraud to swing just enough votes to turn just enough states to Biden and give him White House. YOU KNOW IT, WE ALL KNOW IT so give it up. Give up the Big Lie and just move on. It's not like it hasn't happened before; think JFK. But we need to make sure it doesn't happen ever again.
This is getting old and defies what I was taught a... (show quote)




In America, elections do not have to be proven in court.. they are ratified at the local, state and federal level and that has been done.

If you wish to express an opinion that cheating was involved you may do so, but the weight of proof is on you who claims the falsehood..

The election was fair and long over.. Joe Biden is doing quite well and the majority of Americans are celebrating the new and much better administration..



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May 16, 2021 12:17:24   #
Ricktloml
 
lindajoy wrote:
No different than calling the Capital riot an insurrection~~ They lie to exaggerate, create falsehoods and spread it without Conscience...


Exactly. A free press is essential to a free society. We have not had a free press for decades. The laughably called mainstream media is, (and has been for years,) nothing more than the propaganda wing of the Democrat/Communist Party, actually they purvey nothing but leftist propaganda. And the dishonest Democrat/Communist Party, (the leaders, those in authority, those who set policy, AND most importantly the policies themselves ARE communist,) refuse to admit where they actually stand, the Communist Party USA had no problem and came right out and said, (over a decade ago,) that they don't need to run candidates for office, the Democrat(communist) Party is fully on board with their agenda. But then again, why would the Democrat/Communist Party bother to be honest...their useful idiot members seem willing and eager to believe any lie they're told.

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May 16, 2021 12:23:17   #
peg w
 
Trump lost by a lot. Its time to get over it. Congress certified the election. Nothing else can be done. Its over, and has been over for Trump since Nov.

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May 16, 2021 13:04:25   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Hug wrote:
Great post!



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May 16, 2021 13:07:44   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
No different than calling the Capital riot an insurrection~~ They lie to exaggerate, create falsehoods and spread it without Conscience...


And they do it relentlessly. I wish the sane republicans would be more vocal about it. They need to call out the lies of those who make reference to the Trump "big lie."

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May 16, 2021 13:07:54   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
microphor wrote:
Great post



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May 16, 2021 13:14:27   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
permafrost wrote:
In America, elections do not have to be proven in court.. they are ratified at the local, state and federal level and that has been done.

If you wish to express an opinion that cheating was involved you may do so, but the weight of proof is on you who claims the falsehood..

The election was fair and long over.. Joe Biden is doing quite well and the majority of Americans are celebrating the new and much better administration..


If you Truely believe Biden is doing a good job then you are uninformed, lying or delusional.

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May 16, 2021 13:17:06   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
In America, elections do not have to be proven in court.. they are ratified at the local, state and federal level and that has been done.

If you wish to express an opinion that cheating was involved you may do so, but the weight of proof is on you who claims the falsehood..

The election was fair and long over.. Joe Biden is doing quite well and the majority of Americans are celebrating the new and much better administration..


"Joe Biden is doing quite well and the majority of Americans are celebrating the new and much better administration.." ?????????

I'm not seeing it. In fact, I am seeing just the opposite, as people of your ilk continue with the true "big lie," trying to gas light people who are smarter than you give them credit for being. Eyes are opening.

I love how you claim the burden of proof is on us when all the while the route to presenting the evidence continues to be shut off by judges who are too chicken $hit to have the evidence presented in a court of law. Out side of your lying ilk's lies, that is the most disturbing of all. A least many states are strengthening their voting laws so that this will, hopefully, never occur again, no thanks to you and your ilk and your lying efforts to bring us down via socialist/leftist idiocy.

Seeing how the GOPO gained seats in the House, I have great hope that we will gain more House seats in the midterms as this administration continues to talk out of their a$$ which is exactly where this administration's head is!

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May 16, 2021 13:20:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Exactly. A free press is essential to a free society. We have not had a free press for decades. The laughably called mainstream media is, (and has been for years,) nothing more than the propaganda wing of the Democrat/Communist Party, actually they purvey nothing but leftist propaganda. And the dishonest Democrat/Communist Party, (the leaders, those in authority, those who set policy, AND most importantly the policies themselves ARE communist,) refuse to admit where they actually stand, the Communist Party USA had no problem and came right out and said, (over a decade ago,) that they don't need to run candidates for office, the Democrat(communist) Party is fully on board with their agenda. But then again, why would the Democrat/Communist Party bother to be honest...their useful idiot members seem willing and eager to believe any lie they're told.
Exactly. A free press is essential to a free socie... (show quote)


True story! But I think many of these "democrat by name only" strongholds might actually change their tune as this Biden administration continues to screw things up even more than we could have predicted.

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May 16, 2021 13:24:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
microphor wrote:
If you Truely believe Biden is doing a good job then you are uninformed, lying or delusional.


All three apply. No honest person could say that Biden is doing well at this point. Even his staunchest supporters must finally admit what a sad joke these first 100 days have been. And to be honest, when they claim Biden is doing well, I don't for one second believe that they actually believe that pile of horse hockey. The way they can't stop lying about Trump and can't stop pursuing him as if he were still president is living proof of that. Their worry about the possible return of Trump is palpable.

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May 16, 2021 13:26:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
peg w wrote:
Trump lost by a lot. Its time to get over it. Congress certified the election. Nothing else can be done. Its over, and has been over for Trump since Nov.


Then stop talking about him, stop accusing him, stop lying about him and get him out of your mind. But I understand. Talking about Biden can't be done without the obvious lying BS necessary to avoid showing him for what he is, an utter joke. So to get ratings, Trump is still your greatest commodity and he is loving the publicity, absolutely loving it.

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