NoRapture

There is no pretribulation rapture. Investigate/research the origin of the modern day,feel good,easy out Crapture doctrine.
The true Christ returns after the tribulation at the 7th trump,not before.

NoRapture

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Liberty Tree

You are confusedbeween the rapture and the second coming of Jesus. They are two separate events separated by the Tribulation.

PZG1225 Loc: Florida

I never disagree with you Wolf, but this time you are mistaken. The mark of the beast takes place after the rapture of the church during the tribulation instilled by the antichrist. It will be a chip inserted either in the hand or forehead. Those who accept it will be condemned forever with no chance of salvation because they have pledged allegiance to the antichrist. Without the mark, no one can buy or sell ,etc. But this all takes place after the rapture of true born again believers..."the church".

NoRapture

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NoRapture

The confusion comes from the big pretribulation rapture hoax. Investigate/research the origin of the Great Fly Away hoax.

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PZG1225 Loc: Florida

You're an atheist. I get it. Satan has so blinded you to the truth. Your fate is sealed without a doubt.
There's an old saying. "There's none so blind as those who refuse to see." Good luck Mr. "No". I won't even say those two words together.

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IS THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE A RECENT INVENTION?

RaptureBy David Gunn

Regular Baptists are firm believers in the pretribulational Rapture, the view that Jesus will return to rapture His church before the seven-year tribulation period begins.

But in recent years, this doctrine has been attacked relentlessly. With maddening predictability and monotony, anti-dispensationalists have argued that the doctrine of the pretribulational Rapture is a recent invention. The implication? Since it is of such recent vintage, we are foolish to accept it. Here are just a few examples of how this argument has been expressed:

Timothy Weber: “Before Darby [John Darby was an early dispensationalist scholar in the 19th century], all premillennialists, futurists included, believed that the rapture would occur at the end of the Tribulation, at Christ’s second advent” (On the Road to Armageddon, 24).
Hank Hanegraaff: “Not until Darby had such a notion [the pretribulational Rapture] even been countenanced within the body of Christ” (The Apocalypse Code, 55).
Gary DeMar: “As I hope to demonstrate, there is good reason to question this relatively new doctrine. . . . [T]he doctrine began in Darby’s lifetime” (Last Days Madness, 205–06).
Robert Wahl: “The early church fathers make no mention of belief in a pretribulation Rapture. . . . Belief in a pretribulation Rapture is of recent origin, growing out of a dispensational system of interpretation introduced in the 19th century and popularized by the Scofield Bible notes” (Foundations of Faith, 205).
Of course, this argument is faulty on several levels, even if we grant the premise that the pretribulational view began with John Darby. For one thing, the legitimacy of a doctrine should not be measured by its antiquity within the history of Christian theology, but rather by its exegetical, Scriptural warrant. Indeed, it is amusing to note that many of the critics who raise this objection against pretribulationism are fully committed to postmillennialism and Calvinism, both of which are barely older than Darby! For another, this objection is essentially an argument from silence. Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence, and many ancient Christian documents remain either undiscovered or untranslated. (Many liberal critics fell into this fallacy when they charged the book of Daniel with inventing the fictional character King Belshazzar. The critics were humiliated in 1881 when the Nabonidus Cylinders were discovered in Iraq, providing archaeological proof positive of Belshazzar’s existence.)

And yet, we who believe in the pretribulational Rapture don’t even need to quibble over the validity of this argument, for recent research (spearheaded by Grant Jeffrey, Francis Gumerlock, Tommy Ice, and Timothy Demy) has shown the underlying premise itself to be objectively false! An early form of pretribulationism has been detected in the following historical documents: the Apocalypse of Elijah (third century), the Apocalypse of Pseudo-Ephraem (fourth to eighth century), and the History of Brother Dolcino (14th century).

THE APOCALYPSE OF ELIJAH

This third-century text exists in two versions, one Coptic, another Greek. It is written from a premillennial perspective and contains extensive detailed material on the tribulation period. After discussing the emergence of the Antichrist onto the world’s stage (ch. 3) and the arrival of the two witnesses to oppose him (ch. 4), the document describes the Rapture as Christ’s deliverance of His people to preserve them from wrath (ch. 5). The pertinent passage reads:

On that day the Christ will pity those who are His own. And He will send from heaven his sixty-four thousand angels, each of whom has six wings. The sound will move heaven and earth when they give praise and glorify. Now those upon whose forehead the name of Christ is written and upon whose hand is the seal both the small and the great, will be taken up upon their wings and lifted up before his wrath. Then Gabriel and Uriel will become a pillar of light leading them into the holy land. It will be granted to them to eat from the tree of life. They will wear white garments and angels will watch over them. They will not thirst, nor will the son of lawlessness be able to prevail over them (Apocalypse of Elijah 5:1–6).
This text clearly depicts the Rapture as an event that will remove Christians from earth to Heaven before the outbreak of the Antichrist’s persecution. In this way, they will be shielded in Heaven from his cruel deeds.

In his article “The Rapture in the Apocalypse of Elijah,” Gumerlock notes that this apocalypse states the Rapture’s purpose as the removal of God’s people from wrath. He argues that that period of wrath should be understood as the tribulation period, since “the sinners left behind on earth cry: ‘See, now we will die in a famine and tribulation [Apocalypse of Elijah 5:12].’” If his interpretation is accurate, then this text is clearly teaching a pretribulational Rapture.

THE APOCALYPSE OF PSEUDO-EPHRAEM

Also known as “On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World” or “Sermon on the End of the World,” this text survives in two somewhat varied versions, one Syriac, another Latin. The Latin version contains a pretribulational statement:

We ought to understand thoroughly, therefore, my brothers, what is imminent or overhanging. . . . Why therefore we do not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Jesus Christ, so that He may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world. . . . For all the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins.
The material that follows clearly equates this tribulation with the period of the Antichrist’s dominance over the earth as foretold in the books of Daniel and Revelation. One area of disagreement between this document and modern pretribulationism is that Pseudo-Ephraem thought the Tribulation would be just three and a half years in length, not seven. Nevertheless, his view is still clearly pretribulational in sum and substance. In their article “The Rapture and an Early Medieval Citation,” Demy and Ice conclude, “Although the sermon has some ambiguities, it, like pretribulationism, clearly emphasizes imminence, two comings separated by the tribulation, and the promise of deliverance of believers from the tribulation.”

Some critics will counter by questioning the reliability of these two sources. After all, we don’t know exactly when or where they were written, or even who their authors were! But this objection misses the point entirely. Pretribulationists do not appeal to these two sources as authoritative sources for theology, but only to demonstrate the falsity of their critics’ accusation that pretribulationism is a recent invention. So the origin and authoritativeness of these documents are utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand; all that matters for the present purpose is that they are demonstrably Christian documents from the ancient and medieval periods that clearly teach a form of pretribulationism.

THE HISTORY OF BROTHER DOLCINO

Brother Dolcino was the leader of the 14th-century movement known as the Apostolic Brethren. While none of his writings on this subject have survived, an anonymous Latin document written in 1316 records firsthand information on the life and teachings of Brother Dolcino. This document contains yet another statement of early pretribulationism:

Again [Dolcino believed and preached and taught] that within those three years Dolcino himself and his followers will preach the coming of the Antichrist. And that the Antichrist was coming into this world within the bounds of the said three and a half years; and after he had come, then he [Dolcino] and his followers would be transferred into Paradise, in which are Enoch and Elijah. And in this way they will be preserved unharmed from the persecution of Antichrist. And that then Enoch and Elijah themselves would descend on the earth for the purpose of preaching [against] the Antichrist. Then they would be killed by him or by his servants, and thus Antichrist would reign for a long time. But when Antichrist is dead, Dolcino himself, who then would be the holy pope, and his preserved followers, will descend on the earth, and will preach the right faith of Christ to all, and will convert those who will be living then to the true faith of Jesus Christ.
Once again, the end times chronology presented in this text is quite clear: first the Antichrist is revealed, then the Rapture occurs, then an extended period of tribulation grips the earth, then the church returns to earth with Christ at His second coming. In his article “A Rapture Citation in the Fourteenth Century,” Gumerlock rightly concludes:

This paragraph from The History of Brother Dolcino indicates that in northern Italy in the early fourteenth century a teaching very similar to pretribulationism was being preached. . . . While not suggesting that pretribulationism was the dominant view of the rapture in the Middle Ages, it is likely that such teaching did not occur in a vacuum and that others besides Dolcino were aware of it. It can reasonably be assumed that the Apostolic Brethren (who numbered in the thousands) believed, as did their leader, that when the Antichrist would arrive, they would be transferred to paradise and be preserved there from his persecution in the tribulation.
CONCLUSION

So what do these citations prove? That pretribulationism is correct? Certainly not; to establish that, careful Biblical exegesis and theological reasoning are required. And, as a matter of fact, those are the bases on which pretribulationists have founded most of their arguments. (Readers interested in pursuing this line of study will want to check out Maranatha: Our Lord Come by Renald Showers, and a recent book edited by John Hart, Evidence for the Rapture.) But these citations do demonstrate that the essence of pretribulationism certainly is not a recent innovation. In fact, all three of these quotations are earlier than the Protestant Reformation, Calvinism, covenant theology, and postmillennialism. One of them even predates amillennialism! Pretribulationists may be assured that their view, far from lacking historical precedent, actually boasts greater antiquity than the major theological systems subscribed to by their most outspoken critics.

David Gunn is managing editor of the Baptist Bulletin.



This subject has been discussed many many many times on this forum! We are each blessed with having the right to believe as we chose in a premillennial rapture or not, however, it is not a salvation issue! I have no problem with other Christian’s belief in the timing of the Rapture, just with this lie of it’s beginning!

This article is but one of many on the Internet that proves that this belief is not a modern day invention by Darby and the poor mentally ill woman McDonald! You have been provided with proof many times in the past but you continue to post this lie.......Why! It does not help your desire to convince others to believe in Replacement Theology or your other beliefs in the Rapture when you present those beliefs starting with the lie of the birth of a premillennial rapture.

SWMBO

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maryla

Thank you for the update dtucker300, and i share your sentiment. I wish the world felt the same way. I did not ever want the vaccine until I realized I had to get on in order to fly to see my parents in sunny FL. Believe me, it is so complicated to try to get the vaccine that i am returning to that original sentiment....if your take care of yourself, get plenty of exercise, adequate rest & fresh air .....the airlines missed out on a paying customer!!

Wonttakeitanymore

A guy just got the shot! He was told he still had to wear a mask and get a booster every year! Ching ching

Wonttakeitanymore

The only states that are experiencing a rise are the ignorant demonrat governed states still forcing lockdowns! Check out Texas, except the the illegal aliens, South Dakota, Florida, etc! Sheeples follow orders! When they fall they all fall together! Lemmings/zombies