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Apr 11, 2021 13:41:05   #
JohnCo
 
RascalRiley wrote:
1. Requiring photo ID is not racist. Making it hard to get photo ID is.
2. That is condescending




I agree, except maybe on a fine point. In some circumstances, "Requiring photo ID" could be racist, depending on how and why the requirement is set up. If it were set up just two weeks before the election and the main people it affected were people of a particular race, such as very-low income inner-city dwellers many of whom don't have driver's licenses and correlate highly with being Black, then I'd suppose there _could_ be something racist about it. (Maybe that amounts to "Making it hard to get photo ID" as you say.)

But if there were a consistent photo ID rule that everybody knew about far in advance, then it might be fair. The ID process that takes place during registering to vote, and the already-existing self-identification of voters as they check in to a polling place, appears to be a consistent rule (in addition to being sufficient ID'ing for election security) that is known far in advance.

Question: Why would a student ID from a public university not suffice as voter ID, while a gun permit is allowed to suffice as voter ID?

Back on the racist topic: This country does have a long history of unfair rules affecting people by race, such as Jim Crow laws that affect Black people who want to vote. Recent rules have been referred to as "James Crow, PhD" laws :-) and some of them are devised in sophisticated ways such that they will disproportionately affect groups of voters who tend to vote Democratic.

(It's like gerrymandering, but instead of in geographical space, it takes place in a data space where people's names and characteristics are stored. I'm thinking of some of the mass purges, as one way that happens.)

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Apr 11, 2021 13:49:37   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
JohnCo wrote:


I agree, except maybe on a fine point. In some circumstances, "Requiring photo ID" could be racist, depending on how and why the requirement is set up. If it were set up just two weeks before the election and the main people it affected were people of a particular race, such as very-low income inner-city dwellers many of whom don't have driver's licenses and correlate highly with being Black, then I'd suppose there _could_ be something racist about it. (Maybe that amounts to "Making it hard to get photo ID" as you say.)

But if there were a consistent photo ID rule that everybody knew about far in advance, then it might be fair. The ID process that takes place during registering to vote, and the already-existing self-identification of voters as they check in to a polling place, appears to be a consistent rule (in addition to being sufficient ID'ing for election security) that is known far in advance.

Question: Why would a student ID from a public university not suffice as voter ID, while a gun permit is allowed to suffice as voter ID?

Back on the racist topic: This country does have a long history of unfair rules affecting people by race, such as Jim Crow laws that affect Black people who want to vote. Recent rules have been referred to as "James Crow, PhD" laws :-) and some of them are devised in sophisticated ways such that they will disproportionately affect groups of voters who tend to vote Democratic.
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If you really worry about racial disparity, why move MLB from Georgia whete there are more African Americans,to Dencer that is mostly white!! You make as much sense as your Democrat Party is!

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Apr 11, 2021 13:52:14   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
JohnCo wrote:


I agree, except maybe on a fine point. In some circumstances, "Requiring photo ID" could be racist, depending on how and why the requirement is set up. If it were set up just two weeks before the election and the main people it affected were people of a particular race, such as very-low income inner-city dwellers many of whom don't have driver's licenses and correlate highly with being Black, then I'd suppose there _could_ be something racist about it. (Maybe that amounts to "Making it hard to get photo ID" as you say.)

But if there were a consistent photo ID rule that everybody knew about far in advance, then it might be fair. The ID process that takes place during registering to vote, and the already-existing self-identification of voters as they check in to a polling place, appears to be a consistent rule (in addition to being sufficient ID'ing for election security) that is known far in advance.

Question: Why would a student ID from a public university not suffice as voter ID, while a gun permit is allowed to suffice as voter ID?

Back on the racist topic: This country does have a long history of unfair rules affecting people by race, such as Jim Crow laws that affect Black people who want to vote. Recent rules have been referred to as "James Crow, PhD" laws :-) and some of them are devised in sophisticated ways such that they will disproportionately affect groups of voters who tend to vote Democratic.

(It's like gerrymandering, but instead of in geographical space, it takes place in a data space where people's names and characteristics are stored. I'm thinking of some of the mass purges, as one way that happens.)
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Apr 11, 2021 14:42:48   #
Army
 
proud republican wrote:
If you really worry about racial disparity, why move MLB from Georgia whete there are more African Americans,to Dencer that is mostly white!! You make as much sense as your Democrat Party is!


True you know I've been there store Malls I was the only white person . It's about company's threats & control they have plans to break down system as in confusion get people ( sport freaks ) an who ever to cry blame the culture an not the truth of there hijacking of country .
Remember the Baltimore Colts before were Indianapolis Colts threaten to move wanting this that an the other new stadium tax the people and were told the Mayflower trucking company brought you in here and the Mayfield trucking company can take you out of here. That's when they went to Indiana an charged the people taxes to build New stadium taxe cuts all that.
Company's never pay for anything not even to clean stadiums people volunteer . It's sad . Anyway my guess is there's more to this as if not enough all ready .

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Apr 11, 2021 18:12:23   #
JohnCo
 
proud republican wrote:
My God! Come on!! If nothing else EVERYBIDY has Social Security number!!! They can use last 4 digits of SS number! And it's FREE imagine that!!!


That wouldn't be a photo ID. The proposed requirement I heard about was for certain kinds of photo IDs.

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Apr 11, 2021 18:14:49   #
JohnCo
 
proud republican wrote:


What is whinging?

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Apr 11, 2021 18:25:03   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
JohnCo wrote:
What is whinging?


Whining!

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Apr 11, 2021 18:30:31   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
JohnCo wrote:
That wouldn't be a photo ID. The proposed requirement I heard about was for certain kinds of photo IDs.


Go under OR and you will see Social Security number right there....

https://dds.georgia.gov/voter-id

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Apr 11, 2021 18:41:37   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
JohnCo wrote:
That wouldn't be a photo ID. The proposed requirement I heard about was for certain kinds of photo IDs.


Could republicans win if the vote was fair and honest. Donny says no.

Search ‘Republicans could not win a fair vote’. Donny said that

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Apr 11, 2021 18:51:52   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Could republicans win if the vote was fair and honest. Donny says no.

Search ‘Republicans could not win a fair vote’. Donny said that


BS!!!

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Apr 11, 2021 18:57:22   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
proud republican wrote:
BS!!!


You did not do a search.

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Apr 11, 2021 23:21:44   #
SSDD
 
JohnCo wrote:
They already did that when they registered to vote.

Voter ID laws are just one of a long, ever-shifting array of tricks to make voting more difficult for groups of people the tricky officials don't want to vote. Some of the tricks have been documented by Greg Palast the investigative reporter, author, and successful litigant.

When each person votes, he or she is identifying themselves as that person who registered to vote.

If it were an imposter voting, it would be detected if the person who really has that identity also tried to vote.

If it happened many times then the legitimate voters with those identities would be telling us many of the identities that are being stolen. Since the numbers of occurrences are so small, this is not the thing that affects the outcomes of elections.
They already did that when they registered to vote... (show quote)


Of course only conservative IDs are being stolen, it wouldn't do much good to steal a liberal's ID as it wouldn't likely change the vote distribution, or at least that is what "they" will have you believe...

JohnCo wrote:
If it were an imposter voting for a dead registered voter, it would also be detected (later when the system check for dead registered voters caught up to it), as it was in at least 2, I think 3, cases in Pennsylvania where Trump voters tried to vote again as their dead mothers. The system is set up to detect these things. Those people are identified and are being prosecuted.

If imposter voting were more numerous then it would have been detected and proven as a numerous phenomenon.


But, but, but, don't all the dead voters vote Democrat?

JohnCo wrote:
If voter fraud were a significant problem, the people talking it up would be able to point to more identified examples of it. The lieutenant governor of Texas couldn't even get identified examples of Biden voters doing it, even when he offered a million-dollar reward for the identification of such an example. The only people (so far as I know) who have been dumb enough or crooked enough to try fraudulently voting have been Trump voters (the three in Pennsylvania, the same state where Trump most explicitly suggested that his voters should vote twice). (And actually, I still do think it's "funny", probably because of all the hypocrisy surrounding it and because it's so obvious.)
If voter fraud were a significant problem, the peo... (show quote)


Maybe "the deep state" buried all the evidence...

Actually... There HAVE been examples of election fraud on both sides of the aisle, though in 2016 and 2020 general election, I don't recall hearing of any LEGITIMATE claims of Clinton/Kaine or Biden/Harris fraudulent votes, both the 2016 AND 2020 general election DID have fraudulent Trump/Pence votes though, but remember, them damned liberals are the cheaters! Even when liberals aren't cheating, they are the cheaters!

One must question whether it is just their own guilty conscience that causes conservatives to falsely accuse the liberals of cheating. One might just say that they may be projecting their own misdeeds onto the opposition.

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Apr 11, 2021 23:42:54   #
SSDD
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Could republicans win if the vote was fair and honest. Donny says no.

Search ‘Republicans could not win a fair vote’. Donny said that


And too damned stubborn to alter course to make their ideology even slightly more "palatable" to the average citizen.... It wouldn't even take too much, perhaps focus on policy that favors working class Americans over corporations and top 1%. That alone would probably cinch a win for them. Not talking handouts, not talking welfare, not talking any sort of "freebies" or "socialism", just aid the working man and instant love from the American worker.

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Apr 12, 2021 09:49:29   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
I just have one question.
Democrat or Republican?
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Apr 12, 2021 13:20:45   #
Abel
 
proud republican wrote:


Agree with your 3 cheers PR. The dems cry loudly that Voter Photo ID will suppress voters! Ever consider which voters would be suppressed? The Illegal voters of course. The Sheeple just assume it must be ALL voters, and of course those bitching are their dems so it must be true. Then Republicans bitch too they twitter, but they are RINOs (democrat infiltrators) not Republicans, and the Sheeple don't know the difference.

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