permafrost Loc: Minnesota

So, do you see this as a problem? Should President Biden take the steps wanted by some Dems? Is this a potentially real problem? Let me know how you feel..

FYI, I think this should be handled per the suggested method near the end of this article..

reports that Marines are rejecting the covid Vaccination in large numbers.

This is perplexing to me. never did I find any order was a choice.. and I bet that all the Vets on OPP will agree. you were told to do something and you did it.. basic military need..

I easily recall the mount out procedure , line up , those navy guys waiting with 3 pneumatic guns.. each delivered a collection of vaccines and we all got all three shots.. SOP....

so how the heck can the Marines (or any military) say no thanks..

This from CNC gives the story.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/politics/marines-coronavirus-vaccines/index.html

Frushour said there are a number of potential reasons a Marine may choose not to receive a vaccine, including allowing others to receive it first, waiting until it becomes mandatory, getting it through other channels or being allergic to the vaccine.

"Service members who decline one day can change their mind and become vaccinated when next the opportunity presents itself," she said.

The military cannot make the vaccines mandatory now because they have only emergency use authorizations from the Food and Drug Administration, meaning service members who are required to receive a series of other vaccinations have the option of declining shots to protect against Covid-19.

ChJoe

When I served we were able to decide which were good orders and which were bad ones. There were problems but, sometimes you just have to decline.

Rose42

We had no choice whether or not to get shots. They wouldn’t always tell us what we were getting either.

peg w

During WW11 my father was lined up and vaccinated against many diseases. He espically didn't like flu shots, which mad him sick. I would think that the Marines would order vaccinations, and one would have a choice of getting shots or being drummed out of the service. Your troops have to be combat ready. Remember, the flu shortened WW1 by a year due to the flu casualties. Covid can mutate into something as fatal.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

permafrost, Any serviceman or woman that refuses a vaccination should be given a discharge from the service. The Spanish flu that devastated our country in 1917-1918 occurred because it was passed on to servicemen that lived in barracks in close quarters. Fighting men can't do their job if they are sick and passing their sickness on to other soldiers.
There is no evidence that the vaccine is anything but a safe and super effective treatment for covid. What the hell is wrong with the Trump cult? Even the evil SOB that badmouthed the vaccine actually took it in secret. Time to get real with science and as we say in NY, fawgetaboutit concerning the BS coming out of Trumps lying mouth!

ChJoe

That was then, this is now. But yes, that is the way it was.

moldyoldy

This is the conundrum.

The military cannot make the vaccines mandatory now because they have only emergency use authorizations from the Food and Drug Administration, meaning service members who are required to receive a series of other vaccinations have the option of declining shots to protect against Covid-19.

I got that shot from the metal gun in basic training. I still wonder how that was sanitary. Soldiers are more aware today. But those who refuse should be separated from those who are vaccinated until it becomes mandatory. In case of war, you don’t get a choice.

EmilyD

Covid "can" mutate into something fatal, or it can weaken until it is not a threat. The scary thing is that researchers don't know which will happen. Some of them say people who got the vaccine will be getting seriously sick this Autumn (maybe even die) because it changes the DNA in the human system....others say it's fine and nothing will happen. Troops have to be combat-ready...so should they be sick from the virus, which takes a few weeks to recover from (unless you get a case that is so mild you don't even know you have it), or should they be sick from the vaccine which takes a few weeks to recover from (unless they are one of the few who doesn't have a reaction)? Either way, you end up immune.

People are not machines, and shouldn't be treated like machines - even in the military. If they make this largely untested and unapproved (except in emergency situations) vaccine mandatory, then people should seriously consider that they will be losing control over decisions about their own health with a questionable "remedy" to covid. The argument that other vaccines are mandatory is a moot point, since they have all been tested for years and are approved by the FDA. The decision should be left up to the individual in the case of Covid, and people thinking about enlisting should think twice if they don't want to lose control of the decision to not have the vaccine.

Carol Kelly

There’s no one left to drum them out. Even officers are too woke, now.

Pineapple Sam Loc: Paradise Hawaii

1st of all the Vax is not Approved by the FDA, period! Were u in the service?
If the SOB took it in “SECRET” how in the hell did u know about it S wipe!
You in NY, it figures, go live in da covid infected old folks home and btw if u are a democRat how many illegal aliens are living or invited in ur no border/lock home? Sharing ur wife and family with drugs and sex?

Hadenough

Permanut,

How about forcing people to remain the same gender that they were when they entered the military? Why should taxpayers pay for their transition, which is why some of them enlist.

WEBCO

Your ending picture is true...but you want soldiers to give up their freedom to choose what goes into their body or be kicked out. So much for freedom.

When I was in we got lots of shots for lots of things, I used to donate blood every month. Can't anymore because of what the Army injected into me. I will not get this experimental gene therapy injected into me.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

good morning Had,,

Hate to tell you but I think I may agree with some of your concern about gender change.. I just am puzzled..

So, tell me, why are you so concerned about gender identity?? does it cause anxiety??

Hadenough

Perm,

You tell me, doesn’t cause me anxiety, I know I’m a male as God created me. Unfortunately it is forced upon us when visiting a doctor, dentist, buying a vehicle or doing so many other things. I can understand having to know your gender when visiting a medical facility and completing forms.
Would you go to an OB/GYN for ED because you feel like a woman that day? What would you do if you had a child go into a restroom and you saw a person dressed and appearing to be of the opposite sex follow that child/grandchild into the restroom? If you confronted them and they ignored or told you it was none of your business, what would you do?
I believe in God and the Bible, we may differ on that and that’s your choice. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck even if it says it’s a chicken.
Don’t infringe on my rights and shove it down my throat. What I do or what anyone else does in the privacy of their own home should be left there.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Had,

Pretty much at a loss on this subject..

you have needed a gender ID at the dentist, buying a Vehicle and "other things" Me,, never ever in my life have I had to do such a thing, nor have I heard anyone else bitch about it..

Where the heck do you live??

Also have to say, I have never felt like a woman ever.. perhaps as a young puber, I may have wondered what it was like to be a girl.. do not recall that, but I have always been a curious SOB..

Then a school PTer told me the "girls got horny too" and after that i was well focused..

during my long life, if any male predator , dressed as a woman or not followed a child in to a rest room or such, I would have indeed intervened.. no doubt about it..

Now you tell me.. what has changed about that fact. What law was ever written that allowed such behaviour in any state now or at any time..

the rumor about that was launched by the right wing hate people to attack president Obama and does not exist..

if you can find such a law, reference it and I will join you in an effort of throw it out..

You believe in God,, that is great. I do as well. with many questions and unsettling questions.. but above all, I do believe in God..

My God is merciful and forgiving, loves all creatures great and small ... that include all humans, whatever the focus of behavior..

I fully agree with your last line, but....

I as well as the people I consider friends,, both liberal and conservative and a mix thereof, do not wish to shove any sort of law or belief down your throat... from my side of the table the uncompromising seems most strong from those who insist on their way or no way.. that is the right wing message we hear..