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Mar 26, 2021 12:01:36   #
moldyoldy
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Neither does anyone else, anywhere else in the United States of America.
The left wants HR 1 for only one reason. So that finding, identifying, and stopping illegal voting will be almost impossible in future elections. The voter suppression "issue" is no more relevant today than the democrat's Jim Crow laws are.


If the right really wanted voter ID, they would make sure it happened instead of making more difficult to achieve.

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Mar 26, 2021 13:13:12   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
proud republican wrote:
To ask for photo ID when you're about to vote in the United States ?


Its a no brainer, same as the President, after all if the President doesn't need a brain why do people need to be certified to elect him, any-one can do the same job, and if Biden did have a brain, why did he start thinking he's Donald Trump straight after the election ?. Because Trump really did win ?.

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Mar 26, 2021 13:41:07   #
MidnightRider
 
proud republican wrote:
To ask for photo ID when you're about to vote in the United States ?


It's law to show one.

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Mar 26, 2021 13:44:29   #
TrueAmerican
 
proud republican wrote:
To ask for photo ID when you're about to vote in the United States ?


Not even the demonrats just want more illegal votes !!!!!!

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Mar 26, 2021 14:24:28   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You refuse to admit that voter suppression is alive and well. But you are a lost cause.


Guarantee any one eligible that wants to vote can. May not be easy or convenient, but it can get done. Quit making excuses for sorry behavior.

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Mar 26, 2021 14:43:47   #
moldyoldy
 
JFlorio wrote:
Guarantee any one eligible that wants to vote can. May not be easy or convenient, but it can get done. Quit making excuses for sorry behavior.


So, why do republicans close DMVs when they decide you must have a state ID? It should be obvious if you open your mind.

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Mar 26, 2021 14:52:30   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
moldyoldy wrote:
So, why do republicans close DMVs when they decide you must have a state ID? It should be obvious if you open your mind.


No voter suppression
Over the past few days, stories claiming that Alabama had closed DMV offices in predominantly black counties went viral. The concern is that the closure of these offices would make it difficult for people to get proper IDs to vote.
But the stories getting attention were almost all from 2015. Since then, the state has partially reversed the closures and expanded some office hours after a federal probe found that the move disproportionately hurt black residents.
The result, based on a statistical analysis by Christopher Ingraham at the Washington Post, is that there is now no correlation between DMV availability and race.
Instead, there appears to be a correlation only between a county’s total population, black or white, and DMV availability.
So as concerning as the initial closures were, they don’t seem to be having a racially disproportionate impact today.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/12/16767426/alabama-voter-suppression-senate-moore-jones

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Mar 26, 2021 15:33:19   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
If the right really wanted voter ID, they would make sure it happened instead of making more difficult to achieve.


Your comment makes no sense, but let's pretend it does.
In all honesty, WHY would either party push hard to make sure every possible person votes? Personally, I don't want the politically ignorant anywhere near a voting booth. They tend to vote based on the last commercial they saw. That does NOT mean that I want their RIGHT to vote taken away. I would fight tooth and nail for any American who wanted to vote and was denied the opportunity.
The republicans, in general, want legal votes only.
The democrats, in general, want mass voting of the ignorant and uneducated as much as possible. The democrats believe the vast majority of such people will vote democrat because the democrats continue to make campaign promises that are stupid and unworkable. They are willing to "fundamentally transform" America into a banana republic.....as long as they are permanently in charge.

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Mar 26, 2021 15:35:37   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
moldyoldy wrote:
So, why do republicans close DMVs when they decide you must have a state ID? It should be obvious if you open your mind.


Nonsense. You are equating two different factors and calling them a conspiracy.
This has been addressed.

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Mar 26, 2021 15:55:04   #
Larry Joe
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Then let the government provide the ID instead of making it harder to get ID, just like they make it harder to vote.


Moldy, and really all on this post, we keep arguing the issue of a picture ID for voting. Picture IDs are required for so many things from buying booze to flying, and a 100 things in between. Has anybody bothered to check as to what percent of the country doesn’t have a photo ID? Many nations require such an ID to vote. How many citizens in the US who WANT to vote don’t have a valid ID? Yes, states should provide valid IDs for non-driving individuals, Missouri does, but it is the responsibility of those individuals to go to the Drivers License Bureau to get those IDs. Democrats, I have always seen your opposition to this as saying “we can’t cheat if you have to show an ID”. Your opposition to this simply isn’t valid. Show me the statistics!
A Friend To All,
Larry Joe

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Mar 26, 2021 15:58:11   #
moldyoldy
 
America 1 wrote:
No voter suppression
Over the past few days, stories claiming that Alabama had closed DMV offices in predominantly black counties went viral. The concern is that the closure of these offices would make it difficult for people to get proper IDs to vote.
But the stories getting attention were almost all from 2015. Since then, the state has partially reversed the closures and expanded some office hours after a federal probe found that the move disproportionately hurt black residents.
The result, based on a statistical analysis by Christopher Ingraham at the Washington Post, is that there is now no correlation between DMV availability and race.
Instead, there appears to be a correlation only between a county’s total population, black or white, and DMV availability.
So as concerning as the initial closures were, they don’t seem to be having a racially disproportionate impact today.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/12/16767426/alabama-voter-suppression-senate-moore-jones
No voter suppression br Over the past few days, st... (show quote)


From your article voter suppression is real.

Republicans say their intent with the law was to stop voter fraud. But the research shows that in-person voter impersonation, which these kinds of laws target, is extremely rare. One study by Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt found just 35 credible accusations of voter impersonation between 2000 and 2014, constituting a few hundred ballots at most. During this 15-year period, more than 800 million ballots were cast in national general elections and hundreds of millions more were cast in primary, municipal, special, and other elections.

Critics of such laws argue they have a disproportionate impact on black voters, since they are less likely to have the means — whether money, transportation, or hours off work — to get a voter ID. This is significant in Alabama since about 25 percent of the state’s electorate is black, and black residents are more likely to vote Democrat. Scott Douglas, executive director of the Greater Birmingham Ministries, also noted some of the racist motivations behind Alabama’s law in a New York Times op-ed:

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Mar 26, 2021 16:09:07   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
moldyoldy wrote:
From your article voter suppression is real.

Republicans say their intent with the law was to stop voter fraud. But the research shows that in-person voter impersonation, which these kinds of laws target, is extremely rare. One study by Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt found just 35 credible accusations of voter impersonation between 2000 and 2014, constituting a few hundred ballots at most. During this 15-year period, more than 800 million ballots were cast in national general elections and hundreds of millions more were cast in primary, municipal, special, and other elections.

Critics of such laws argue they have a disproportionate impact on black voters, since they are less likely to have the means — whether money, transportation, or hours off work — to get a voter ID. This is significant in Alabama since about 25 percent of the state’s electorate is black, and black residents are more likely to vote Democrat. Scott Douglas, executive director of the Greater Birmingham Ministries, also noted some of the racist motivations behind Alabama’s law in a New York Times op-ed:
From your article voter suppression is real. br b... (show quote)


The result, based on a statistical analysis by Christopher Ingraham at the Washington Post, is that there is now no correlation between DMV availability and race.

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Mar 26, 2021 16:09:14   #
Larry Joe
 
kemmer wrote:
Unless those IDs are free and very easy to acquire, yes.


Kemmer, when you got your drivers license, was it free? Just how serious do these people want to vote? You paid for yours, shouldn’t they do the same? Yes, I agree, the state should provide non-drivers IDs free of charge to those who want one. So you guys in dark blue states start that movement and shame us red states to follow. I think those people who care about voting, have a valid picture ID. Citizens should NOT be coerced to vote.
Your Friend,
Larry Joe

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Mar 26, 2021 16:15:48   #
WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX
 
Requiring an id to prove your identity to vote is racist.

We all know that racial minorities of any stripe are not able to:

Drive a car
Have a checking account
Bank at a bank
Get a credit card
Purchase a non prepaid cell phone
Purchase property
Get a mortgage
Get married
Get divorced
Fly on a commercial airplane
Rent a post office box
Rent an apartment

And on and on and on

Least of all they can’t vote in elections that generally happen every year in November.

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Mar 26, 2021 16:43:05   #
Larry Joe
 
moldyoldy wrote:
If I buy alcoholic beverages at the drug store they ask for ID, the grocery store does not. The bars don’t bother with seniors.


Moldy, my friend, you keep throwing up straw men. At our age, I’m never carded. But how many of us older gentleman don’t have a valid ID? How did anyone 60, 70, 80 and beyond got here without one? We are really talking about a younger age group. I said in an earlier post, states should provide free non-drivers state IDs. Put your money where your mouth is and get started with your state legislatures. SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM!!! That way everyone who wants one will have one to vote!
Your Friend,
Larry Joe

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