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Dec 24, 2020 12:24:44   #
woodguru
 
lindajoy wrote:

Therefore, public health officials and the politicians they advise should have been much more focused on explaining how to reduce risk while maintaining some elements of normalcy in life. We are physical beings. We cannot live only in the cloud.


Politicians shouldn't be in the medical manipulation business, that is going where they have no knowledge

Countries that followed guidelines that have worked in dozens of situations have far better economies than we do.

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Dec 24, 2020 13:43:54   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
[quote=woodguru]Politicians shouldn't be in the medical manipulation business, that is going where they have no knowledge

Countries that followed guidelines that have worked in dozens of situations have far better economies than we do.[/quote

Not true. Another lie.

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Dec 24, 2020 16:49:06   #
Big Kahuna
 
Kickaha wrote:
That's been going on long before Trump became President.


KKKemmer was ignorant for 8 long years when bathhouse barry was the resident in our White House. He also showed his ignorance when he voted for Slo Traitor Joe. Ignorance is not bliss, ignorance is KKKEMMER..

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Dec 24, 2020 17:58:21   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Fair enough no replies to my post, anyhow don't worry about that one I got something better, it's not about Politicians intervening in medical developments it's God.

Just posted on the history show "Kings and Generals" 2 days ago describing how the volcanic eruption in Indonesia, 1256 or thereabouts, sent more pollutants into the atmosphere that any other volcanic eruption in the past 7,000 years.

Now this for sure exacerbated the civil wars in the Mongol Empire by causing cholera, I am convinced this is a true account and has only recently been revealed.

How God got-away with influencing history when He's prohibited from causing History is down to the Paradigm Prophecies, which also account for the Covid Pandemic that is a contemporary historical feature that no bitching can diminish, .

So what's with God wanting to interrupt President Trump's Politics, humm , !!! maybe ask yourselves where Ghenhis Khan went wrong.

Kings and Generals latest upload 2 days ago "Did a volcano end the Mongol Empire".

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Dec 25, 2020 05:53:00   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
lindajoy wrote:
Continuing the con drum of unusually rated deaths 2020 consider the following~~ and ask, did you hear or read about these things as well?? If so good, if not, why not?? Just unimportant I guess..

The year 2020 has been abnormal for mortalities. At least 356,000 more people in the United States have died than usual since the coronavirus pandemic took hold in the country in the spring. But not all of these deaths have been directly linked to Covid-19.

More than a quarter of deaths above normal have been from other causes, including diabetes, Alzheimer’s disease, high blood pressure and pneumonia, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention....

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/13/us/deaths-covid-other-causes.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Continuing the con drum of unusually rated deaths ... (show quote)


Merry Christmas

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Dec 25, 2020 07:04:15   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RT friend wrote:
Quote, 11 th. paragraph " But as the pandemic worse on" not sure if this was intentional, sure is a good way to describe the past incredible nearly 12 months.

Anyhow science in public conjecture is a blessing not a bad thing, things can go horrible if science is kept in the cupboard, maybe give an example, Okey Dokey I twill have vomit bag ready if in confined space.

Ivan Pavlov's doggy experiment cause seismic waves in Psychology, so what was Pavlov's Dog in both Feudal Tsarist Russia and also in Bolshevik Russia, Pavlov won the Nobel Prize in Psychology that was 1904 and died in 1936 at the age of 87.

Pavlov's Dog was millions of dogs most were liquidated immediately after being put in a condition of being not fed for a few days, so when the dog was very hungry the usual bell would be rung but only in a few cases as Pavlov knew the bell could be dispensed with, other sense indicators had the same effect, such as smell, the dogs would begin drooling after stimulus as dinner was expected, proving the influence chemical messengers from the brain have on metabolism, which Pavlov is acclaimed for.

So why the need for millions of dogs, well !!! as already stated Pavlov's Laboratory was held in high esteem by both Russian Government's but paid for out of its own pocket and donations from wealthy serfs and comrades, Pavlov's affectionate Dog is a good example of private enterprise in science, another one is Doctor Strange Love a 1964 movie about the ultimate Soviet weapon.

Sick people funded 50 % of Pavlov's experimental Laboratory sick people with digestive ailments because the millions of dogs were slaughtered in a state of salivation which was harvested and sold in Chemist Shops as medicine.

Well how do like that !!!, I suppose everyone knows this story but just in case some don't they should.



Quote, 11 th. paragraph " But as the pandemic... (show quote)


Hello RT... No. I had not heard this story before and thank you for sharing it..

Almost sounds like where we are headed as a world in thought and absence of the (food) love, care, motivation, sharing etc that we need to sustain ourself lest we start salivating and begin to feel morally inept or loved..

Millions of dogs slaughtered? Really?? How horrible all in the name of science..

Science is a necessary constant if we are to push the human race forward..Without it where would we truly be??

But science manipulation we can and should do without.. Also scientist to cave to the whims or falsehood of politics is not science it is calculated redress to pacify or manipulated falsehoods and that is unacceptable...It leaves the realm and purpose of “ science” and becomes a calculated inconclusive finding... The internet has given us a vast internal memory bank and our own ability to “ research.”” We are far from the idiots governments world wide want its citizens to be!

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Dec 25, 2020 07:13:02   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
kemmer wrote:
The extreme anti-intellectualism of Trump people is astonishing.


Ok, well rather than the broken record quote here do you have a position on the article and its observation.

Its Christmas and I am feeling too happy to spend it exchanging jabs of discontent but am interested in your educated position ...

Merry Christmas and I hope you have a day full of love and happiness..Break protocol, for this day spread a bit of harmony and love... Actually hug someone today... Its an amazing feeling and really great for our spirit and inner connectivity we all need...It won’t kill ya, I promise...☃️🎄

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Dec 25, 2020 07:35:44   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Kickaha wrote:
When my wife was in the hospital, she was tested daily for covid and every test came back negative otherwise I would not have been permitted to be with her when she passed. I was curious as to what the death certificate would say. It listed the primary causes and secondary causes. It also listed other conditions present but not contributing to her death. Covid was not listed anywhere. There seem to be many deaths attributed to covid that the cause of death was unrelated to the disease (gun shot wounds, drowning, traffic accidents, etc.). The question is, why don't they list covid under that third category as present but not contributing to the death. That would make the statistics more accurate. To Minnesota legislators, reviewed death records and found about 40% of the the deaths were attributed to covid and covid actually did not cause the deaths but was merely present. One of the legislators was a medical doctor, but you don't need to be one to read and correctly note the information on a death certificate (you do need to be a medical doctor to fill one out).
When my wife was in the hospital, she was tested d... (show quote)



They list covid first because the CDC and then the WHO instructed all medical facilities to code it first with contributing factors such as heart disease, etc secondary.. what is unfathomable is to lust covid on death certs that were never diagnosed or tested..Look it up you will see admissions and anger from some medical professionals that disagreed..

Here are the constantly changing directives from CDC that contributed to the numbers and diagnosis to be drawn..

They weren’t getting the number predicted so they changed the reporting structure. Then check out Hawaiis infected and deaths..Note their systematic diagnosis..

Unfortunately we can not say unequivocally all death numbers are anywhere near accurate.. A deadly virus, yes... To the degree professed, sorry, I do not agree..

A few things to read should you wish... Telling in the lax directives of misinformation.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/alert-5-covid-19-video-guidance-and-updated-coding-rules.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-6-ICD-10-code-COVID-19-U071.pdf

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Dec 25, 2020 07:38:09   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
lindajoy wrote:
Hello RT... No. I had not heard this story before and thank you for sharing it..

Almost sounds like where we are headed as a world in thought and absence of the (food) love, care, motivation, sharing etc that we need to sustain ourself lest we start salivating and begin to feel morally inept or loved..

Millions of dogs slaughtered? Really?? How horrible all in the name of science..

Science is a necessary constant if we are to push the human race forward..Without it where would we truly be??

But science manipulation we can and should do without.. Also scientist to cave to the whims or falsehood of politics is not science it is calculated redress to pacify or manipulated falsehoods and that is unacceptable...It leaves the realm and purpose of “ science” and becomes a calculated inconclusive finding... The internet has given us a vast internal memory bank and our own ability to “ research.”” We are far from the idiots governments world wide want its citizens to be!
Hello RT... No. I had not heard this story before ... (show quote)


It is not just politicians causing scientists to cave to the whims or falsehood of politics. Big Tech has decided that they will control what information is to be permitted on their platforms and any dissenting opinions are to be deleted and those disseminating that information face suspension or deplatforming.
Merry Christmas, Linda.

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Dec 25, 2020 07:53:51   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
woodguru wrote:
Politicians shouldn't be in the medical manipulation business, that is going where they have no knowledge

Countries that followed guidelines that have worked in dozens of situations have far better economies than we do.



I agree with your first paragraph and ask what countries that followed the guidelines have far better economies than ours??
Given our job growth for four months in a row until last month I think we faired much better than predicted.

A few considerations here..please consider:
A low impact of COVID-19 in terms of case numbers and deaths does not necessarily translate into a low economic impact. [1] Many countries are experiencing a recession, even though COVID-19 has not had a serious effect on them in terms of health. Even minor public health events can severely affect firms in lower income countries due to their poor socio-economic conditions (vulnerability) and their weak capacity to respond to crises (resilience). Moreover, in a globalized world, many countries are suffering indirect consequences from value chain disruptions and lower international demand for goods due to widespread recession.

Section 1 presents recent evidence on the current state of industrial production and exports. Section 2 focusses on the impacts of COVID-19 on firms based on the most recent data collected by UNIDO in several Asian countries. Section 3 discusses the policy implications of our findings.

Covid-19’s economic impacts are broader and more severe than most past crises. The disease has been highly infectious in comparison with past major disease outbreaks, spreading rapidly to reach almost every country in the world and infecting more than four million people (Madhav et al., 2018, p. 317). In addition, while previous pandemics have typically emerged in poorer countries and have had their greatest impact there, Covid-19 emerged in an important economic hub and has affected countries central to the global economy: at the beginning of March, the list of the ten countries most affected by Covid-19 was ‘almost identical to the list of the ten largest economies in the world (Iran and India are the exceptions)’ (Baldwin & di Mauro, 2020, p. 2). The impacts of the disease itself (illness and absenteeism), the policy measures being taken to control its spread (closing businesses and schools, and restricting travel and gatherings), and the behaviour changes that individuals are making to avoid exposure (avoiding public places and reducing consumption, especially in social settings) combine to simultaneously affect supply and demand at multiple points in the economy. Most of the economic impacts of Covid-19, as has been the case with past epidemics and pandemics, are a side effect of the measures taken to control the spread of the disease, rather than a direct effect of the disease itself.

Covid-19 has greatly disrupted global value chains, which now account for more than two-thirds of world trade (Dollar, 2019, p. 1), and disruptions are likely to continue to propagate back and forth through these networks as countries restrict economic activity to control the disease (Baldwin & Freeman, 2020; Jonas, 2013, p. 10). The experience of value chain disruption during the pandemic is likely to feed into future debates about deglobalisation. The manufacturing sector will suffer disruption through shutdowns, labour shortages, supply chains and
transportation disruptions, and declining demand as customers cancel or delay purchases and investments.

https://www.unido.org/stories/coronavirus-economic-impact-10-july-2020

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/coronavirus-how-are-countries-responding-economic-crisis

https://www.cgdev.org/blog/economic-impact-covid-19-low-and-middle-income-countries

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Dec 25, 2020 08:04:45   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Kickaha wrote:
It is not just politicians causing scientists to cave to the whims or falsehood of politics. Big Tech has decided that they will control what information is to be permitted on their platforms and any dissenting opinions are to be deleted and those disseminating that information face suspension or deplatforming.
Merry Christmas, Linda.


Absolutely correct, Kickaha.. The first and prime example of that would be the “ data” on climate change, but I’m not looking to discuss that topic as it has been debated ad infinitum, Ad nauseam ! Big tech, big money, the same that pollute our governments, world wide!

Merry Christmas to you and yours.. A pleasure you are. May you have a glorious weekend!! Hug someone! The best gift we can give is love...☃️✨🎄💞 For your wife, feel and remember her love..🙏🙏

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Dec 25, 2020 09:00:54   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
lindajoy wrote:
Absolutely correct, Kickaha.. The first and prime example of that would be the “ data” on climate change, but I’m not looking to discuss that topic as it has been debated ad infinitum, Ad nauseam ! Big tech, big money, the same that pollute our governments, world wide!

Merry Christmas to you and yours.. A pleasure you are. May you have a glorious weekend!! Hug someone! The best gift we can give is love...☃️✨🎄💞 For your wife, feel and remember her love..🙏🙏


Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and yours. Unfortunately, with the family scattered and far away and the covid restrictions, I will just be hugging my wife's memory and remembering our love.

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Dec 25, 2020 10:50:35   #
son of witless
 
Kickaha wrote:
When my wife was in the hospital, she was tested daily for covid and every test came back negative otherwise I would not have been permitted to be with her when she passed. I was curious as to what the death certificate would say. It listed the primary causes and secondary causes. It also listed other conditions present but not contributing to her death. Covid was not listed anywhere. There seem to be many deaths attributed to covid that the cause of death was unrelated to the disease (gun shot wounds, drowning, traffic accidents, etc.). The question is, why don't they list covid under that third category as present but not contributing to the death. That would make the statistics more accurate. To Minnesota legislators, reviewed death records and found about 40% of the the deaths were attributed to covid and covid actually did not cause the deaths but was merely present. One of the legislators was a medical doctor, but you don't need to be one to read and correctly note the information on a death certificate (you do need to be a medical doctor to fill one out).
When my wife was in the hospital, she was tested d... (show quote)


I wonder if hospitals get more money if deaths can be linked to the Corona Virus ?

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Dec 25, 2020 11:44:37   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
son of witless wrote:
I wonder if hospitals get more money if deaths can be linked to the Corona Virus ?


I have five doctors in my family and Director of nursing as a client. some say there is some sort of reimbursement for Covid expenses.

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Dec 25, 2020 12:03:36   #
son of witless
 
JFlorio wrote:
I have five doctors in my family and Director of nursing as a client. some say there is some sort of reimbursement for Covid expenses.


I figured there has to be some kind of incentive to blame the virus for as much as possible.

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