lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Its long, but practical and explains what we already know, or do we??? How to use social pressure, rather than a just-the-facts approach, in public health....
Propaganda, lies, fear and finally reality of media and politicians...???
We are simply too stupid to know the truth or so they believe...

So, what do you think?? Plausible?? Likely? Factual??

Without political leaders and health officials they can trust, the American people will end up deciding for themselves what risks they're willing to take.~~ Very true from those I’ve had discussions with...

Noble lies often come to ignoble ends. Consider the current pandemic, in which too many public health officials and politicians decided that we can’t handle the truth. At first, they worried that the American people would panic. Then, they worried that Americans were not sufficiently afraid.

Now, as coronavirus vaccines are being approved and distributed amidst a deadly spike in cases, people are noticing the difference between when scientists conduct genuine science and when they play at social psychology in the name of public health.

The vaccine development, testing, and production of Operation Warp Speed appear to have been an incredible success, beating the expectations of countless critics. In contrast, public health messaging and measures have often been inconsistent and counterproductive.

Of course, a variety of factors have led to this result. As we’ve learned more about the virus, our understanding of how to respond to it has evolved. Because many people, including politicians, are involved, public health responses have varied for many reasons, including (of course) politics.

Furthermore, there was no way out of this pandemic without difficult tradeoffs, making it harder to get things right. Almost everyone has had to alter course at some point. For instance, Sweden, long hailed by lockdown opponents, recently decided to close high schools in response to a second wave of infections.

But the inevitable imperfections of government responses to the pandemic have been made worse by deliberate decisions to try to manage people with falsehoods, rather than telling them the truth. Examples abound from the early days of the pandemic, from the decision to advise the public against wearing masks, to officials and politicians of both parties (including President Trump) downplaying the threat of the coronavirus. For example, several New York City public health officials, as well as politicians, encouraged residents to get out and go about life as the virus began its spread through their city.

These choices were driven by a lack of trust in the public. It was assumed, for instance, that if people were told masks might reduce viral spread, they would then panic-buy all the masks they could, leaving none for health-care workers. Likewise, President Trump defended tweets and comments that minimized the dangers posed by the virus by saying that he did not want people to panic.

This fear of public panic seems to have been mistaken; people mostly kept their heads when the brunt of the pandemic arrived. Instead of civilization-rending upheaval, some folks bought too much toilet paper. Much of the public, it turned out, could handle the truth.

But as the pandemic worse on, many politicians, public health officials, and media figures began to fear, not that the public was too prone to panic, but that people were not fearful enough. This was not entirely unfounded, for some have been reckless in their behavior and too quick to dismiss a disease that has been the leading contributor to the more than 356,000 excess deaths in 2020. Yet overreaction is not a good response to this problem. Unfortunately, that is what has happened in many cases.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is shutting down restaurants, despite acknowledging their relatively small role in virus spread. Los Angeles is trying to force everyone to just stay home. Across the country, not only have schools been shut down, but even children’s playgrounds have been closed, despite being low-risk.

In the early days of the pandemic, such mistakes could be forgiven as accidental or ill-informed overreach amid a crisis. As time wore on, however, this excuse lost plausibility. These actions suggest that many of the restrictions put in place to combat the pandemic are theater — the public health equivalent of the TSA.

Indeed, all of the COVID-19 disinformation on the internet has probably done less harm than the hypocrisy (and hierarchy) displayed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, and other politicians — not to mention the leftist protest exceptions to all of the rules on public gatherings.

But the problem runs deeper than hypocrisy. The fundamental issue is that although scientists can tell us what actions risk viral spread, they cannot decide for us how to balance the risks of the virus against the risks of our countermeasures, and just how much of life we should sacrifice to reduce the viral threat. There has too often been a tendency to speak in terms of risk elimination, rather than mitigation.

In just one example of many, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam recently played amateur theologian, telling Christians to stay home from church. Setting aside Northam’s religious ignorance (corporate worship is extremely important for Christians, who are called to live in communion with each other), people will not live forever like prisoners under house arrest.

Therefore, public health officials and the politicians they advise should have been much more focused on explaining how to reduce risk while maintaining some elements of normalcy in life. We are physical beings. We cannot live only in the cloud.
<snip> more to read, should you wish

https://www.conservativefreedoms.com/health-experts-need-to-get-out-of-the-society-manipulation-business/

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Continuing the con drum of unusually rated deaths 2020 consider the following~~ and ask, did you hear or read about these things as well?? If so good, if not, why not?? Just unimportant I guess..

The year 2020 has been abnormal for mortalities. At least 356,000 more people in the United States have died than usual since the coronavirus pandemic took hold in the country in the spring. But not all of these deaths have been directly linked to Covid-19.

More than a quarter of deaths above normal have been from other causes, including diabetes, Alzheimer’s disease, high blood pressure and pneumonia, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention....

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/13/us/deaths-covid-other-causes.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Big Kahuna

These leftist fools are watering down the M.D. degree. Now when you hear Doctor, it is associated with quack, snake oil salesman and buffoon. Sounds exactly what we think of when we hear of anyone being a politician. Dr Fauxci is a power hungry fraud.

DaWg44

The increase in these diseases will be blamed on Covid because that is what the liberal/leftist CDC wants. People needing routine care for diabetes, heart conditions, were not considered in the knee jerk reactions made by the supposedly “best” health experts in the world.

WHO, CDC, NIH, FDA are all more interested in social control than disease elimination. Fauci is a political animal, who could not come up w/ a cohesive answer on masks. He did not get any help from anyone else.

The CDC finally had to admit their tests were not accurate but between them & the FDA they made damn sure no others were available.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

You just described Jill Biden.

kemmer

It's astounding how the Trump years have spawned a segment of citizenry which celebrates ignorance.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Fauci is a publicity hound trying to maintain his standing, never having really done research himself but over seeing the “ real researchers.” Just like his Aides . accreditation.. He got the credit for it because he was involved in overseeing it.. But he did nothing!!

The audacity of these supposed scientist that hang on the cost tails of those who actually did study and likely know significantly more are the ones we should really hear from...

The MD’s are enabling these “ politicians” and need to speak up as well, but that would be Career suicide..

Kickaha Loc: Nebraska

That's been going on long before Trump became President.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Intentional suppression of vital information that did not fit with their narrative, I suspect...

Hawaii has very low numbers in infected and deaths.. You know why?? They test before and when a person dies and record the actual true cause because they took the time for that 2 min. when the person passed..

We have not done it here tho??? Why not??Seems a simple procedure that would result in true covid deaths.. Death certificates here say covid and may or may not include the “ secondary cause” which id really the primary cause.. if the person was never tested for covid to begin with how can you arbitrarily claim it in death??

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

She’s no doctor in any capacity, literacy doctor??? Does she teach reading ???

For she its all about title...” an Ed.D., a doctor of education, earned at the University of Delaware through a dissertation with the unpromising title “Student Retention at the Community College Level”. So it is said~~

Haven’t checked her out, don’t care to... She threw her dwarfed husband under the bus all in the name of “ title”..Have no respect for her..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

It certainly is, perhaps you, being a teacher or was at one point if I remember correctly, could go on tour and educate your clan....It is needed for sure...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Both have certainly had their share however the last 16 years have shown much,much more, hasn’t it??

Perhaps the virus altering brain waves as they now claim arrived back then???

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

Quote, 11 th. paragraph " But as the pandemic worse on" not sure if this was intentional, sure is a good way to describe the past incredible nearly 12 months.

Anyhow science in public conjecture is a blessing not a bad thing, things can go horrible if science is kept in the cupboard, maybe give an example, Okey Dokey I twill have vomit bag ready if in confined space.

Ivan Pavlov's doggy experiment cause seismic waves in Psychology, so what was Pavlov's Dog in both Feudal Tsarist Russia and also in Bolshevik Russia, Pavlov won the Nobel Prize in Psychology that was 1904 and died in 1936 at the age of 87.

Pavlov's Dog was millions of dogs most were liquidated immediately after being put in a condition of being not fed for a few days, so when the dog was very hungry the usual bell would be rung but only in a few cases as Pavlov knew the bell could be dispensed with, other sense indicators had the same effect, such as smell, the dogs would begin drooling after stimulus as dinner was expected, proving the influence chemical messengers from the brain have on metabolism, which Pavlov is acclaimed for.

So why the need for millions of dogs, well !!! as already stated Pavlov's Laboratory was held in high esteem by both Russian Government's but paid for out of its own pocket and donations from wealthy serfs and comrades, Pavlov's affectionate Dog is a good example of private enterprise in science, another one is Doctor Strange Love a 1964 movie about the ultimate Soviet weapon.

Sick people funded 50 % of Pavlov's experimental Laboratory sick people with digestive ailments because the millions of dogs were slaughtered in a state of salivation which was harvested and sold in Chemist Shops as medicine.

Well how do like that !!!, I suppose everyone knows this story but just in case some don't they should.

kemmer

The extreme anti-intellectualism of Trump people is astonishing.

Kickaha Loc: Nebraska

When my wife was in the hospital, she was tested daily for covid and every test came back negative otherwise I would not have been permitted to be with her when she passed. I was curious as to what the death certificate would say. It listed the primary causes and secondary causes. It also listed other conditions present but not contributing to her death. Covid was not listed anywhere. There seem to be many deaths attributed to covid that the cause of death was unrelated to the disease (gun shot wounds, drowning, traffic accidents, etc.). The question is, why don't they list covid under that third category as present but not contributing to the death. That would make the statistics more accurate. To Minnesota legislators, reviewed death records and found about 40% of the the deaths were attributed to covid and covid actually did not cause the deaths but was merely present. One of the legislators was a medical doctor, but you don't need to be one to read and correctly note the information on a death certificate (you do need to be a medical doctor to fill one out).