Propagation of Human Life
Dec 17, 2020 09:10:32 #
Propagation of Human Life
The development of human life begins with the sexual intercourse of a human male and female, of child bearing age, roughly from the age of about 13 to 50. There have been some exceptions with the test tube babies, artificial inseminations and, at least, one, challenged, incident about 2020 years ago.
For the woman’s part, the intercourse is either voluntary or involuntary. If it was involuntary it was rape. If not, then it was voluntary and pregnancy was a foreseeable possible result. That was the choice the two of them made & they are responsible for the consequences. To maintain otherwise is akin to saying that the death of someone from an MVA is not a foreseeable possibility when one drives while drunk. To deny responsibility is to deny human autonomy and dignity!
Some will ask about the responsibility of raising the child. That question is answered in asking it. It is the responsibility of those engaging in the activity. The purpose of marriage is to protect children, a stabilizing & important factor for any society.
In this regard, Hugh Hefner and his moronic, endless Playboy philosophy is one of the worst people of the twentieth century. He was the one who spearheaded the idea of sex at any time; just because it feels good. It led to his endorsement of abortion on demand, the inevitable consequence of it.
Individual, separate human life begins when a single sperm penetrates an egg and unites with its nucleus. It is then an embryo and has all of the genetic information to become a fully mature fetus, ending in birth or interruption through either a miscarriage (medically called spontaneous abortion) or purposely induced through an abortion procedure.
The embryo/fetus is a distinct genetic entity from the mother. The most stark and tragic demonstration of this is Rh discrepancy between the mother & fetus.
There are three major categories for blood types. The two most basic are A & B. An individual may have one, both or neither, in which case it’s called O for zero. That person will have neither antigen but will have antibodies to both; A type has the A antigen and B antibodies, B type has B antigen and A antibodies.
A & B were the first discovered but there was another that caused problems and nobody could figure out why it was happening. It turned out that there was a third antigen that was isolated from the blood of rhesus monkeys that humans had. Because of that, it was named the Rh factor.
A fetus can have the Rh factor, and is called Rh+. If the mother doesn’t; she is Rh negative, Rh-. During delivery, some of the fetus’ blood crosses the placental barrier to mix with the mother’s. She then develops antibodies to the Rh factor and if she has another pregnancy with an Rh+ fetus, her antibodies cross the barrier in reverse to mix with the fetus’ blood and destroys it, killing the baby. The baby is genetically distinct from the mother!
Most medical authorities recognize life as beginning at fertilization, others at implantation into the wall of the uterus. In either case it is very early and long before the time at which most abortions, whether spontaneous or induced, occur.
Most spontaneous abortions during the first trimester (three months) are due to fetal deformities. It’s mother nature’s way of saying this one is no good, get me another. Some are due to trauma.
Most abortions, spontaneous or induced, happen well after a fetus begins to take on recognizable human form. Many happen well after the nervous system begins to form, leading to the likelihood that the fetus reacts to stimuli, even feeling pain. Almost all occur after the heart has formed and is beating!
The fetus, whether as a result of rape or voluntary sexual activity, can do and has done nothing wrong. Why should it be deprived of life due to the evil of another.
This is in contrast to capital punishment for violent criminals that pro-choicers often try to throw in our faces in this argument. This is a crucial point for pro-choice to absorb & address. The fetus has done nothing wrong. Why should it suffer the barbarity of abortion?
The other two cases the pro-choicers like to throw in our faces are incest and deformed infants. With fetal abnormalities, and even with incest, there is another observation; the deformed or the children of incest have often gone on to great achievement, in the arts, sciences, etc. Toulouse-Lautrec was a dwarf. Beethoven was stone deaf when he wrote the Ninth Symphony, widely regarded as the greatest in history. Stevie Wonder was born blind. Through abortion, the world would have been denied their contributions.
What others have we terminated before they were able to make theirs? The scientist who would find a cure for AIDS? Cancer? The engineer who would figure out how to get 200 miles from a gallon gasoline? A composer to rival Frederic Chopin? With 64 million abortions in this country alone since Roe vs. Wade in 1973, the chances are very good that some people with massive talents have been thwarted in their destinies.
There is no rebuttal to these facts. The pro-choice choice argument is completely bogus with no basis in reality. Choices have been made to result in pregnancies.
It is a decision that involves a third party with no representation. The debate should start & end there.
(As an aside, on this venue, I once challenged an OPP pro-abortioner to go to an abortion facility and wait outside to observe the women as they left and see if any of them were smiling. He refused, saying that he had other things to do.
Wow, he had other things to do than to observe the aftermath of ending human life, the central moral issue of our time. Was he afraid of confronting the truth?)
And there it is. If you endorse a right to abortion, then you have endorsed the slaughter of 64,000,000 fetuses. Where does it stop? At birth? You can’t argue that anymore because Virginia Gov. Dr. Ralph Northam has already made it legal to ignore the needs of newborns to live.
It’s incumbent on pro-choicers to answer these questions. They can’t.
The development of human life begins with the sexual intercourse of a human male and female, of child bearing age, roughly from the age of about 13 to 50. There have been some exceptions with the test tube babies, artificial inseminations and, at least, one, challenged, incident about 2020 years ago.
For the woman’s part, the intercourse is either voluntary or involuntary. If it was involuntary it was rape. If not, then it was voluntary and pregnancy was a foreseeable possible result. That was the choice the two of them made & they are responsible for the consequences. To maintain otherwise is akin to saying that the death of someone from an MVA is not a foreseeable possibility when one drives while drunk. To deny responsibility is to deny human autonomy and dignity!
Some will ask about the responsibility of raising the child. That question is answered in asking it. It is the responsibility of those engaging in the activity. The purpose of marriage is to protect children, a stabilizing & important factor for any society.
In this regard, Hugh Hefner and his moronic, endless Playboy philosophy is one of the worst people of the twentieth century. He was the one who spearheaded the idea of sex at any time; just because it feels good. It led to his endorsement of abortion on demand, the inevitable consequence of it.
Individual, separate human life begins when a single sperm penetrates an egg and unites with its nucleus. It is then an embryo and has all of the genetic information to become a fully mature fetus, ending in birth or interruption through either a miscarriage (medically called spontaneous abortion) or purposely induced through an abortion procedure.
The embryo/fetus is a distinct genetic entity from the mother. The most stark and tragic demonstration of this is Rh discrepancy between the mother & fetus.
There are three major categories for blood types. The two most basic are A & B. An individual may have one, both or neither, in which case it’s called O for zero. That person will have neither antigen but will have antibodies to both; A type has the A antigen and B antibodies, B type has B antigen and A antibodies.
A & B were the first discovered but there was another that caused problems and nobody could figure out why it was happening. It turned out that there was a third antigen that was isolated from the blood of rhesus monkeys that humans had. Because of that, it was named the Rh factor.
A fetus can have the Rh factor, and is called Rh+. If the mother doesn’t; she is Rh negative, Rh-. During delivery, some of the fetus’ blood crosses the placental barrier to mix with the mother’s. She then develops antibodies to the Rh factor and if she has another pregnancy with an Rh+ fetus, her antibodies cross the barrier in reverse to mix with the fetus’ blood and destroys it, killing the baby. The baby is genetically distinct from the mother!
Most medical authorities recognize life as beginning at fertilization, others at implantation into the wall of the uterus. In either case it is very early and long before the time at which most abortions, whether spontaneous or induced, occur.
Most spontaneous abortions during the first trimester (three months) are due to fetal deformities. It’s mother nature’s way of saying this one is no good, get me another. Some are due to trauma.
Most abortions, spontaneous or induced, happen well after a fetus begins to take on recognizable human form. Many happen well after the nervous system begins to form, leading to the likelihood that the fetus reacts to stimuli, even feeling pain. Almost all occur after the heart has formed and is beating!
The fetus, whether as a result of rape or voluntary sexual activity, can do and has done nothing wrong. Why should it be deprived of life due to the evil of another.
This is in contrast to capital punishment for violent criminals that pro-choicers often try to throw in our faces in this argument. This is a crucial point for pro-choice to absorb & address. The fetus has done nothing wrong. Why should it suffer the barbarity of abortion?
The other two cases the pro-choicers like to throw in our faces are incest and deformed infants. With fetal abnormalities, and even with incest, there is another observation; the deformed or the children of incest have often gone on to great achievement, in the arts, sciences, etc. Toulouse-Lautrec was a dwarf. Beethoven was stone deaf when he wrote the Ninth Symphony, widely regarded as the greatest in history. Stevie Wonder was born blind. Through abortion, the world would have been denied their contributions.
What others have we terminated before they were able to make theirs? The scientist who would find a cure for AIDS? Cancer? The engineer who would figure out how to get 200 miles from a gallon gasoline? A composer to rival Frederic Chopin? With 64 million abortions in this country alone since Roe vs. Wade in 1973, the chances are very good that some people with massive talents have been thwarted in their destinies.
There is no rebuttal to these facts. The pro-choice choice argument is completely bogus with no basis in reality. Choices have been made to result in pregnancies.
It is a decision that involves a third party with no representation. The debate should start & end there.
(As an aside, on this venue, I once challenged an OPP pro-abortioner to go to an abortion facility and wait outside to observe the women as they left and see if any of them were smiling. He refused, saying that he had other things to do.
Wow, he had other things to do than to observe the aftermath of ending human life, the central moral issue of our time. Was he afraid of confronting the truth?)
And there it is. If you endorse a right to abortion, then you have endorsed the slaughter of 64,000,000 fetuses. Where does it stop? At birth? You can’t argue that anymore because Virginia Gov. Dr. Ralph Northam has already made it legal to ignore the needs of newborns to live.
It’s incumbent on pro-choicers to answer these questions. They can’t.
Dec 17, 2020 10:03:21 #
John Meoff wrote:
Propagation of Human Life br br br br The devel... (show quote)
It isn’t incumbent on anything.
It’s only more irrational nonsense .
As far questions,
They don’t Need to answer anything.
It’s your bs story. You answer it.
And then just keep it to yourself because most people find people like you plainly annoying. It’s a bitch being human. Get over it. It isn’t up to you to decide anything for anyone else, what you’re claiming is bullchit on top of bullchit.
These are high ideals you have put forth
But only for someone else to live by,
Get back in your own canoe and try to enjoy your last days on earth.
Nobody cares to hear your
embryonic nonsense.
If each female is born with 40 eggs and as you believe all should be propagated to the max. We would need to start paving roads with human beings.
Although I’ve heard they are very tasty when young.
Dec 17, 2020 10:16:42 #
Milosia2 wrote:
It isn’t incumbent on anything. br It’s only more ... (show quote)
Darn good reply...now you will be a sworn enemy of the right wing forever... but that that is a thing to be proud of..
they are a one issue bunch who have no ability to see the violation of rights to the mother.. Or to anyone else fro that matter, they can not see at all.. blind to everything but themselves..
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Dec 17, 2020 10:16:57 #
John Meoff wrote:
Propagation of Human Life br br br br The devel... (show quote)
They won’t!
They’re blinded by Satan and are destined to spend eternity with him in the lake of fire.
Life here is short, VERY short, compared to eternity.
Pro-choice is simply another of mans attempt to get to heaven under his own power.
Hitlers gas chambers were no different than abortion, in that a man determined that another person would be killed due to no fault of their own.
Choose right.
Choose light.
Choose LIFE!
Get it right, you only get one vote in this election.
Dec 17, 2020 10:26:04 #
working class stiff
Loc: N. Carolina
John Meoff wrote:
Propagation of Human Life br br br br The devel... (show quote)
If your point is 'propagation of human life' abortion makes no difference. We've won, in a rout. No need to rub the planet's other species' nose in it. Time to cut back on propagation and allow other species to keep their places on their home planet also.
Did I answer your question?
Dec 17, 2020 10:30:24 #
working class stiff wrote:
If your point is 'propagation of human life' abortion makes no difference. We've won, in a rout. No need to rub the planet's other species' nose in it. Time to cut back on propagation and allow other species to keep their places on their home planet also.
Did I answer your question?
Did I answer your question?
Not really, but I think God was listening to your answer.
Dec 17, 2020 10:36:53 #
working class stiff
Loc: N. Carolina
Marty 2020 wrote:
Not really, but I think God was listening to your answer.
Sure I did...you just don't like the answer. Since the original poster did not mention God I felt no need to bring Her into the conversation.
Dec 17, 2020 11:39:59 #
Marty 2020 wrote:
They’re blinded by Satan and are destined to spend eternity with him in the lake of fire.
They’re blinded by Satan and are destined to spend eternity with him in the lake of fire.
I'm afraid you're going to have to do a LOT better than that to change intelligent people's minds about abortion.
Quote:
Hitlers gas chambers were no different than abortion
You are one sick puppy.
Dec 17, 2020 15:00:01 #
working class stiff wrote:
Sure I did...you just don't like the answer. Since the original poster did not mention God I felt no need to bring Her into the conversation.
What a joke!
Her?
You’ve gotta be kidding!
Ha ha I just can’t stop laughing.😅😅😂😂😅😅🤣🤣🤣😅😂
Dec 17, 2020 15:01:37 #
kemmer wrote:
You are one sick puppy.
Taken out of context as you liberal wackos usually do.
Whatever.
Dec 17, 2020 17:45:37 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
There are few people whose opinions I value less than Milosia2, permafrost, and Kemmer. Only Milosis2 cites a anything concrete except an erroneous number of 40 eggs per woman, which is off by a factor of at least 8. Women have menstrual cycles of anywhere from 26-35 days over her fertility period of 37 years. You do the math.
The rest of their postings are their usual vapid, sophomoric screeds.
The rest of their postings are their usual vapid, sophomoric screeds.
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Dec 17, 2020 18:17:36 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
There are few people whose opinions I value less than Milosia2, permafrost, and Kemmer.
Yeah, most uber-gullible trumpbots are like that. Anything negative said about their dear leader has to be a lie.
Dec 18, 2020 07:02:38 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
kemmer wrote:
Yeah, most uber-gullible trumpbots are like that. Anything negative said about their dear leader has to be a lie.
In case you hadn't noticed kemmer, which I am sure you didn't, there was no mention of Donald J. Trump.
Dec 18, 2020 07:32:13 #
I was watching a video this week about all the babies born prematurely. Most could not survive on their own. Doctors have to save these millions of babies using medical equipment and procedures. Seems like a trade off between wanted and unwanted pregnancies.
Dec 18, 2020 14:35:25 #
The first step in a new human life is not fertilization, it is ovulation. Nature has provided powerful urges to insure that the ovum will be fertilized. Why should we not consider interfering with these processes destruction of human life. Of course, this would mean that abstinence for a month is negligent homicide, which nobody would accept. If it is okay to interfere then, why not later? The answer is that there is no societal cost to interfering prior to birth, and therefore it should not be society's business.
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