JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Many watchdog groups confirm fraud. Hundreds of affidavits signed under threat of perjury. Whistleblowers from the Post Office came forward today. Also a heaping of common sense. This will be last to you since you are a shill for the left. Ask why the first time in our history an incumbent president gained votes and lost? Ask why Republicans won all 24 disputed House seats but lost the Presidency. Ask why for the first time in modern election history hundreds of thousands of votes were just for Biden, with no down ballot marked?Ask how, Harris’ photographer who also held that job for some California law makers ended up an IT expert hired by Dominion. Ask why Democrat Senators were afraid of this software? I could go on but sheeple never look up.

moldyoldy

trump can take credit for bringing out voters on both sides.

Grugore

Another anal orifice heard from. You talk sh*t like no one else on here. It's beginning to stink, even with windows open and the fans blowing. Perhaps some Febreeze will do the trick.

Seth

One of Mr. Mold's specialties is talking feces just to provoke a response -- he figures that since nobody he knows IRL pays any attention to him, he can get it here. Sort of like Bad Bob or Kevyn.

Grugore

Any attention at all. Even if it's negative.

Seth

They prefer that to sitting there with no one dropping by, no one inviting them to anything and everybody they know whom they run into "being late" for something, "good seein' ya', gotta go!"

moldyoldy

eventually, you will have to face reality.

Swing-state counties that used Dominion voting machines mostly voted for Trump

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The Washington Post logoSwing-state counties that used Dominion voting machines mostly voted for Trump

In broad strokes, the theory goes something like this.

Workers sort and stack ballots in preparation for scanning during a recount Nov. 24 in Lithonia, Ga. (Ben Gray/AP)© Ben Gray/AP Workers sort and stack ballots in preparation for scanning during a recount Nov. 24 in Lithonia, Ga. (Ben Gray/AP)
Voting machines provided to counties by Dominion Voting Systems allowed a national conspiracy involving both Democrats and Republicans to flip votes cast for President Trump to ones for President-elect Joe Biden. This was simply a repeat of what happened in Venezuela a few years ago, where the same system was in place. As a result, Biden was fraudulently elected president.

There are a lot of reasons that the preceding paragraph is nonsense. One is that the system implicated in the Venezuelan election isn’t actually linked to Dominion in any meaningful way. Another is the idea that Republican officials such as Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) somehow ensured a victory for Biden is ludicrous on its face. The third is that there’s literally no evidence that any such changes were made. The claims start from the assumption that Biden couldn’t have gotten the support that he did and use that as a starting point for assuming malfeasance.

But upon digging even slightly deeper into the conspiracy theory — a theory that’s been touted not only by former Trump attorney Sidney Powell but by the president himself — the idea that Dominion systems were used to throw the election quickly breaks down.

It’s important to recognize how elections in the United States are run. It is neither the federal nor state government which administers an election; instead, elections are run by counties. In most states, counties determine their own systems for doing so, including what electronic voting machines they’ll use. So it may be the case that Alpha County uses Dominion machines while next-door Beta County doesn’t, meaning that those criminals seeking to use Dominion’s tools to throw a statewide race have to make do with tweaking things in Alpha and not Beta.

A review of 10 key states (Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) finds that Dominion systems were used in 351 of 731 counties. Trump won 283 of those counties, 81 percent of the total. He won 79 percent of the counties that didn’t use Dominion systems.

In counties that used Dominion systems, Biden got 888,259 votes to Trump’s 851,069. In counties that didn’t use Dominion systems, Biden got 1.54 million votes to Trump’s 1.52 million. In other words, if you eliminated every county that used Dominion systems, Biden still got more votes. Biden won Dominion-using counties by about two points overall compared with his 0.5-point margin in non-Dominion counties.

Four years ago, Trump won more votes in both sets of counties. In most counties, though, the top-line result didn’t change: if Trump won in 2016, he won in 2020, and if he lost then, he lost last month, too.

In 19 counties, though, the result flipped from four years ago. Trump picked up one county and Biden won 18. Of those 18, seven of Biden’s pickups came in counties that used Dominion systems. Eleven came in counties that didn’t. Trump’s sole pickup was in a state that flipped from red to blue, Georgia. That county, Burke, used Dominion systems.

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(The graphic doesn’t show North Carolina, because it doesn’t use Dominion systems in any county.)

The average shift in the margin between the two major-party candidates from 2016 to 2020 in counties that used Dominion systems was a four-point shift to Biden. In counties that didn’t use those systems, the average shift was three points to Biden. The average increase in votes for Biden relative to Hillary Clinton was 29 percent in Dominion-using counties and 27 percent in non-Dominion counties. The average increase in votes for Trump from 2016 to 2020 was 19 percent in both types of county.

The idea that Trump only lost, say, Pennsylvania, because of Dominion voting systems has to reconcile with the fact that Trump actually won more votes in counties that used Dominion systems (beating Biden by about 74,000 votes in those counties) but lost the state because he was beaten by 154,000 votes in non-Dominion counties. That same pattern holds in Wisconsin as well.

In other words, there’s nothing to suggest that counties using Dominion systems looked significantly different from counties that didn’t. The idea that Biden is president-elect because of some nefarious calculations simply doesn’t match the reality of the county-level vote results.

But, then, we’re trying to combat a bizarre conspiracy theory with small doses of reality, a medicine that has repeatedly proved ineffective.

Grugore

Didn't even read it. I'm so familiar with your lies, I could have written it for you and saved you the effort. Of course, I'd expect to be paid for this service.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

They either outright lie or copy and paste from known liars. Have never questioned authority in their life. Bunch of pussies.

Wildlandfirefighter

Did you read the Dominion response, pretty easy to check on the voracity of their statements. They have to jump through so many hoops from the Fed and state governments that what is being alleged is physically impossible. It is set up that way for a reason. If you question anything in their statement prove it wrong.

Wildlandfirefighter

Grow up you soy boy sheeple.

You got your ass beat, plain and simple.

Trump will be gone soon, thank God!

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

No one got beat. Trump might have had the election stolen. I’ll be fine either way. The country won’t but China will.

Wildlandfirefighter

It's really not hard. First off nobody but the far right crazies believe any of the Dominion BS because it has been proven false already. No perjury unless the individual is called into court, all the affidavits are opinion and certainly not evidence of anything but a lot of Trump lovers who were upset that their candidate lost.

"Ask why the first time in our history an incumbent president gained votes and lost?"

Well duh, because it's the first time in history we had more than 15 million voters show up than the previous election. Trump worked his con game to get his vote out like never before, but Biden did even better. The last 4 years and the crap Covid response of Trumpy has turned a lot of people off, and many more people on each side showed up, but still at least 75 million people who could have voted, didn't vote. Who do you think most of those would have chosen if they had come out to vote. I bet it wasn't trump.

"Ask why Republicans won all 24 disputed House seats but lost the Presidency."

Lots of reasons, I know many republican friends who just could no longer support Trump. Many elderly gave up on him, millions of "suburban housewives" as Trump calls them, said hell no to a trump second term. Most of these still voted republic down ballot. People wanted Trump gone, but they also wanted a congress that would reign in what Biden might try to do. That happens often, it is not rocket science.

The rest of your "ask why's" are lies and unworthy of response.

So how about you ask why Trump has not won a single one of his fraud cases his world class lawyers have put forward in court.

Ask why all the government agencies in charge of election security keep saying there has been no fraud found that would change anything, including Barr just today.

Ask why staunch Trump supporting governors in states like Georgia and Arizona have certified their votes and have stated no meaningful fraud was found.

And finally, ask yourself why you continue to be foolish and grasp at every fake news conspiracy theory you see. Shouldn't you have learned something by now?

Wildlandfirefighter

So sick of hearing about China. Trump was best buddies with them before the virus. His daughter got a dozen patents from them, he has Chinese bank accounts and has been pursuing a Trump tower project there for years. Biden has none of these close relationships. And how about Trumpy and his love affair with Russia. It will be interesting to see what Putin has on his sorry ass.

jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

There is no way Joe won this election, not all American's are that stupid, to vote for a perverted, dementia onset old man, who half the time doesn't have a clue where he is!