Quote: "Chuckle... So ethnocentric... You have no idea what the far right is... Just imagine a few boomers listening to Qanon and Hannity...Here's a hint... We're international... And have no borders... Nationalists on global scale... Trump falling is just a bump in the road..."

International huh, so just what is new or surprising about that? I'm betting I have a lot better idea of what the far right encompasses in this country than you ever will. But you can go on as long as you want claiming that you, a former Canadian citizen living in China, understands America better than those of us that have lived here all our lives. Yeah like I am going to believe that for a minute. Qanon and Hannity, PLEASE......

Qanon is an ignorant conspiracy theory, there is no governmental deep state of Satan-worshipping pedophiles seeking to undermine President Trump and all the wonderful things he has been doing. Total crock of crap without a single gram of evidence to support it. Trump has had 4 years to prove any of this was true with the force of the federal government and the justice department behind him, and what do we have to show for it.............NOTHING. And Hannity, he is a boob and the only reason he does what he does is because he is getting rich off all the fools on the far right that are ignorant enough to believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

You don't have far right in China or Canada like we have here. Our far right wackos are skinheads, white supremacists, Nazi sympathizers and crazies who did not like how our civil war ended 155 years ago and want to start another one. American citizens just might own more assault rifles than the Chinese army. How many of your fellow citizens have personal arsenals at home? Oh right, that would be NONE. If you live in the right area that has hunting zones you might be able to get approval to buy a hunting rifle, but other than that the average citizen in China can not legally even own a firearm. You do not have an armed citizenry that is armed with assault rifles or an average of 1.2 firearms per citizen across the entire country (and that is an old statistic, probably more like 1.4 or 1.5 these days).

Quote: "Once again... Chuckle... Trump was a poor attempt at authoritarianism... If that... Bush did far better...Once again the terms fascism and authoritarianism are being misapplied..."

Well I certainly agree his attempts may have been poor, but they have been wide spread and way outside of anything that has ever happened before in the past 240+ years of this country. Bush was not even in the same league. Nobody else in history has done 1/50th of what Trumpy has done or tried to do. Too bad he was not able to stack the court sufficiently to make his efforts work.

And no the terms fascism and authoritarianism are quite accurate.

https://www.justsecurity.org/70544/trumps-moves-are-right-out-of-the-authoritarian-playbook/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/27/top-10-signs-of-creeping-authoritarianism-revisited/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/02/14/trumps-authoritarian-style-is-remaking-america/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/08/10-ways-trump-is-becoming-a-dictator-election-edition/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/trump-has-gone-full-authoritarian.html

Quote: "Laugh.... What collusion??? What attempt at collusion??? The only thing? you could potentially claim was that it was Russia that hacked the illegal server Clinton had... And then released the information so that Americans could make an informed decision... Informed decisions... The bane of democracy..."

Yeah right, no collusion by any of the Trump campaign staff or Trump huh, I guess that is why so many of them have been prosecuted and gone to jail. Educate yourself, read the special council report, read the report put out by Senate republicans, use your brain. Its really not rocket science. Just because the Senate repigs didn't have the backbone to do what was right (outside of Romney) does not mean there were no attempts at collusion nor any actual collusion by his campaign. By the way, he was the leader of that campaign.

The full list of Mueller indictments and plea deals

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them). He was sentenced to a combined seven and a half years in prison.

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge. He was sentenced to 45 days in prison and 3 years of probation.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story. He was convicted on all counts after a November 2019 trial.

Finally, there is one other person Mueller initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.

That's a helluva lot of indictments for a team that did not collude don't you think?

Quote: "Yes... 1% of 1% rioting... A mere half a million people looting, burning, assaulting.... With the tacit acknowledgement and support of a certain party and ideological group... And they stopped as soon as they got what they wanted... Like spoiled toddlers... Kick, scream, bite,yell... Then relax when the shiny bauble is placed in their hands... There's a reason responsible adults don't trust children with fragile, valuable items...
And a reason God gave us spanking boards...."

I don't support any of the rioting and looting, but the far right was plenty involved in all this as well. And still yes 1/10 of 1% is not a significant part of society as you stated. I was born in Detroit and moved out of the city after the race riots there in the late 60's. If you compare the rioting and looting just in that one city during that period it would be several times larger than all the rioting and looting we saw in the entire country this year. If you lived through the 60s and 70s when civil disturbances were frequent whether due to issue of race or issues with the Vietnam war, what we saw this past year was basically tiny in comparison. So perhaps you need to re-calibrate your thinking a bit as you are showing your ignorance. And by the way, I am quite sure that God did not invent spanking boards, that's just not his way. However, if you feel the need to use a spanking board to teach your children how to become good adults, it says an awful lot about you, and none of it is good.

The far right looted where?
THe far right burned where?
The far right assaulted where?

I love your whatanoutisms and comparisons to situations long past... So if the riots in the sixties were larher then we don't need to be concerned now...

And yes... When my daughter throws a tantrum she gets a spanking... Oddly enough she tends not to throw tantrums...

PS... God believes in punishment...

Ka-Boom! Won't do any good though. I'm not smart and I admit it. People who are not smart but think they are, are sometimes humorous but most times are annoying. Ho Hum...bed time!

Ka-Boom! Won't do any good though. I'm not smart and I admit it. People who are not smart but think they are, are sometimes humorous but most times are annoying. Ho Hum...bed time!

The far right looted where?
THe far right burned where?
The far right assaulted where?

I love your whatanoutisms and comparisons to situations long past... So if the riots in the sixties were larher then we don't need to be concerned now...

And yes... When my daughter throws a tantrum she gets a spanking... Oddly enough she tends not to throw tantrums...

PS... God believes in punishment...

Not worth my time Canuck.

Nothing you say is meaningful, sorry if you can't comprehend things well. I have spent a lot of time in your former country by the way. Grew up in Detroit, Windsor was just across the river. Many great camping, fishing and hunting trips in that great country in my life. The rest of your drivel is unworthy of response, I've already made my points.

Must make you feel like a tough guy using that paddle on your daughter. My god does not believe in punishing children with a paddle. And no I am not a supporter of abortion so don't even bother trying to go in that direction.

Keep your nose in what is happening in that wonderful country of China that you reside in. We will take care of our version of the far right wacko here at home.

I gracefully accept your conceding defeat...
It was inevitable really...

Yep.. Canada I a great place for the outdoors... I miss fishing, hiking, and hunting...

It makes me feel like a parent to correct my child... I use my hand FYI.. For now...

Why would abortion enter the conversation??? Have you been imbibing?? I suppose it's evening where you are.. Carry on

I will certainly stay abreast of events in China... Thank you for the compliment, although not perfect, it is an amazing place...

Have you seen it? Have you seen the full video and do you have any understanding of the back story.

NOPE...........

He sure tried to "get the prosecutor fired" because that is what the US government and much of the world wanted at the time because that prosecutor was horribly corrupt. It had nothing to do with anything involving Hunter Biden. In fact, the Burisma probe by the prosecutor was for things Burisma had apparently done between 2010 and 2012, and Hunter Biden did not even start to work for Burisma until 2014. Its all another fake news story ginned up by Trump and you right wing wackos. But you refuse to accept facts so I just don't know how to help you.

How about this way:

WASHINGTON – A whistleblower complaint centering on President Donald Trump's phone call with the Ukrainian president has spurred a number of allegations and counterallegations as Republicans and Democrats jockey for position amid an impeachment inquiry.

At the heart of Congress' probe into the president's actions is his claim that former Vice President and 2020 Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden strong-armed the Ukrainian government to fire its top prosecutor in order to thwart an investigation into a company tied to his son, Hunter Biden.

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

In a July phone call, Trump asked the president of Ukraine to investigate Biden's actions. That prompted a whistleblower to accuse Trump of asking a foreign government to interfere in the 2020 presidential election, which is now the subject of an impeachment inquiry.\

Trump's assertion contradicted

The actions at the center of Trump's allegation occurred in late 2015 and early 2016, when U.S. aid was critical to Ukraine. Russia had seized control of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and was supporting separatists who were fighting Ukrainian forces in the eastern part of the country.

Biden took an interest in Ukraine, said Steven Pifer, a William J. Perry fellow at Stanford University and former ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton.

"You saw the vice president begin to emerge as really sort of the senior policy lead on Ukraine," Pifer said. "It's good to have attention at that level."

At one point, Biden withheld $1 billion in aid to Ukraine to pressure the government to remove Shokin from the Prosecutor General's Office.

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/


So how about you all get off this BS, its fake news just like all the other conspiracy theories you all like to push here on OPP.