Mikeyavelli

God's a communist?

Wolfman888

[quote=Mikeyavelli]God's a communist?[/qu

You will certainly never find out.

JediKnight

Here's a better question:"If Trump is on local, cable, and world news lying about something as he usually does, how is that "fake news?" Hmmm.....
It seems to me that were Biden on a local station (or any station for that matter) "bragging" about committing corruption or any illegal act - Republicans would have made that "front page news" - especially Fox.

Your post is the first time I have ever heard this story.

Wolfman888

You need to check in here more often.

This place is a hotbed of single source crap.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

You are one mixed up boy.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I guess you're right.........but somehow, chanting at a rally just doesn't seem to be as bad as burning cities, looting, beating citizens and police, and even killing a few of the same, does it?
Oh, I know that you were talking about Trump's and Biden's rallies, but really, how can you compare 37,000 people waiting on Trump, or a one hundred mile long caravan for him? Nope, no comparison there!

PeterS

Sworn affidavits? You do realize that Trump has lost every case (over 12 so far) for lack of evidence. So where are these sworn affidavits? Where are the faulty mail-in ballots? The software glitzes? The ballots accepted with a postmark after Nov 3rd? And every counting station had a live feed that anyone could watch. Why didn't any of the accusations that you make so up on tape as proof of irregularities?

The only thing nefarious is conservatives who believe wholeheartedly what they are told and make ZERO effort to verify anything they hear. Your accusations, if true, are a crime. Trump's lawyers, including Rudy, have been given every opportunity to provide proof and in every case, they have failed to do so. You can accuse all you like but if you can't prove your accusations you are just allowing yourself to be a conduit for liars which reflects more on you than those who told you the lie...

PeterS

Single source crap? Sounds about right!

Bebida Loc: Michigan

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Actually, he is looking to buy out the company that makes Depends so that people can truly see that Ole' Joe is really full of shit!
LMAO! What's Quid Pro Joe gonna say on his inauguration? " Hi, I'm Joe Biden and I want to thank you for electing me to the United States Senate! It's good to be back in Georgia today. Hunter couldn't make it 'cause he has a couple of big overseas jobs to do. You people think I'm actually gonna even try to do all that crap I promised? Ha! Come on, man!"

Yep, y'all elected a winner there. I printed out a list of Trump's achievements and it took 18 pages...Oh, and BTW, these were all in his first 24 months of being in office. A list of Biden's achievements, which included a remark from his college football coach, took less that 2 full pages! And THAT represents 44 YEARS in office as a senator and as vice president.

It's plain to me that Trump didn't lose a thing in this election....America did.

PeterS

You didn't answer the question. Why didn't Fox or some other conservative news sources publicize Biden "bragging" about committing corruption or any illegal act and made it front-page news.

As with everything coming out of conservative mouths--baseless accusations in order to slander without a sliver of truth behind them.

PeterS

Oh, only the decrepit, degenerate, part of America. You know, the part of American that listens to single news sources that tells them what they want to hear not what is actually true. Like there were voter irregularities yet no proof is given. That part of America is just poison for the rest of America and the faster they are marginalized the better...

Wildlandfirefighter

Quote: "Chuckle... So ethnocentric... You have no idea what the far right is... Just imagine a few boomers listening to Qanon and Hannity...Here's a hint... We're international... And have no borders... Nationalists on global scale... Trump falling is just a bump in the road..."

International huh, so just what is new or surprising about that? I'm betting I have a lot better idea of what the far right encompasses in this country than you ever will. But you can go on as long as you want claiming that you, a former Canadian citizen living in China, understands America better than those of us that have lived here all our lives. Yeah like I am going to believe that for a minute. Qanon and Hannity, PLEASE......

Qanon is an ignorant conspiracy theory, there is no governmental deep state of Satan-worshipping pedophiles seeking to undermine President Trump and all the wonderful things he has been doing. Total crock of crap without a single gram of evidence to support it. Trump has had 4 years to prove any of this was true with the force of the federal government and the justice department behind him, and what do we have to show for it.............NOTHING. And Hannity, he is a boob and the only reason he does what he does is because he is getting rich off all the fools on the far right that are ignorant enough to believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

You don't have far right in China or Canada like we have here. Our far right wackos are skinheads, white supremacists, Nazi sympathizers and crazies who did not like how our civil war ended 155 years ago and want to start another one. American citizens just might own more assault rifles than the Chinese army. How many of your fellow citizens have personal arsenals at home? Oh right, that would be NONE. If you live in the right area that has hunting zones you might be able to get approval to buy a hunting rifle, but other than that the average citizen in China can not legally even own a firearm. You do not have an armed citizenry that is armed with assault rifles or an average of 1.2 firearms per citizen across the entire country (and that is an old statistic, probably more like 1.4 or 1.5 these days).

You all should remember that we all have guns here, not just the far right wackos, and there are a lot more Americans not on the far right than on the far right, and yes most of us are ready should the need arise to send those far right wackos to hell in bodybags.

Sorry, but your far right is pretty wimpy compared to ours and your understanding in this regard is significantly lacking.


Quote: "Once again... Chuckle... Trump was a poor attempt at authoritarianism... If that... Bush did far better...Once again the terms fascism and authoritarianism are being misapplied..."

Well I certainly agree his attempts may have been poor, but they have been wide spread and way outside of anything that has ever happened before in the past 240+ years of this country. Bush was not even in the same league. Nobody else in history has done 1/50th of what Trumpy has done or tried to do. Too bad he was not able to stack the court sufficiently to make his efforts work.

And no the terms fascism and authoritarianism are quite accurate.

https://www.justsecurity.org/70544/trumps-moves-are-right-out-of-the-authoritarian-playbook/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/27/top-10-signs-of-creeping-authoritarianism-revisited/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/02/14/trumps-authoritarian-style-is-remaking-america/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/08/10-ways-trump-is-becoming-a-dictator-election-edition/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/trump-has-gone-full-authoritarian.html



Quote: "Laugh.... What collusion??? What attempt at collusion??? The only thing? you could potentially claim was that it was Russia that hacked the illegal server Clinton had... And then released the information so that Americans could make an informed decision... Informed decisions... The bane of democracy..."

Yeah right, no collusion by any of the Trump campaign staff or Trump huh, I guess that is why so many of them have been prosecuted and gone to jail. Educate yourself, read the special council report, read the report put out by Senate republicans, use your brain. Its really not rocket science. Just because the Senate repigs didn't have the backbone to do what was right (outside of Romney) does not mean there were no attempts at collusion nor any actual collusion by his campaign. By the way, he was the leader of that campaign.

The full list of Mueller indictments and plea deals

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them). He was sentenced to a combined seven and a half years in prison.

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge. He was sentenced to 45 days in prison and 3 years of probation.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story. He was convicted on all counts after a November 2019 trial.

Finally, there is one other person Mueller initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.

That's a helluva lot of indictments for a team that did not collude don't you think?

Quote: "Yes... 1% of 1% rioting... A mere half a million people looting, burning, assaulting.... With the tacit acknowledgement and support of a certain party and ideological group... And they stopped as soon as they got what they wanted... Like spoiled toddlers... Kick, scream, bite,yell... Then relax when the shiny bauble is placed in their hands... There's a reason responsible adults don't trust children with fragile, valuable items...
And a reason God gave us spanking boards...."

I don't support any of the rioting and looting, but the far right was plenty involved in all this as well. And still yes 1/10 of 1% is not a significant part of society as you stated. I was born in Detroit and moved out of the city after the race riots there in the late 60's. If you compare the rioting and looting just in that one city during that period it would be several times larger than all the rioting and looting we saw in the entire country this year. If you lived through the 60s and 70s when civil disturbances were frequent whether due to issue of race or issues with the Vietnam war, what we saw this past year was basically tiny in comparison. So perhaps you need to re-calibrate your thinking a bit as you are showing your ignorance. And by the way, I am quite sure that God did not invent spanking boards, that's just not his way. However, if you feel the need to use a spanking board to teach your children how to become good adults, it says an awful lot about you, and none of it is good.

Wildlandfirefighter

Stop being ignorant. Drilling will not stop, fracking will not stop. But what will happen is the country will continue along a path of conversion, converting from fossil fuels to other sources. Its happening as we speak. Known oil reserves in the world have sufficient quantity to fuel our world for an estimated 53 years at our current rate of consumption. So what are we going to do after that.

Regardless if you believe in global warming or not, our use of oil as a primary source of energy is winding down, just like we transitioned from burning coal in homes for heat to oil, gas and electric 100 years ago. Power companies across the country realize this and are already turning to solar, wind and other sources. Some countries today are already transitioned from using fossil fuels. Iceland gets 89% of its primary energy supply and almost 100% of its electricity from renewable-energy sources, a lot of this is geothermal, which is really an endless energy source. The country produces no fossil fuels and hence imports all of its petroleum products, which are mostly consumed in the transport and fishing sectors.

So what we want and need to see is a transition from fossil fuels to renewable sources over time, but it needs to start now. The power companies are already investing in this transition all across the country. With only 53 years of oil left, it makes sense to transition to the extent we can and to try to save the oil that is left for things that only oil will work for.

China and most of the rest of the world sees the writing on the wall and are moving this direction. Not doing so will be to our detriment. So how about you wake the hell up already!

Wildlandfirefighter

Yep that is just what happened....................in 2016!