tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

Really ??? And what is your position regarding governmental financial assistance to feed low income and/or starving children, or to keep the family functioning; or governmental assistance to the USA populace who can't pay their rent or put food on the table because of this virus that is going on to devastating results in the United States, in large part thanks to the tRumpster's recently admitted downplaying of the severity of the virus and the pandemic ??? You likely are able to infer my feelings on the matter just by the nature of my questions. So how's 'bout yerself ??? Be honest...

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

How magnanimous of you to attempt to use patronizing as your argument. If you think that your condescension would it change my mind for one instant, you are sorely mistaken. I'm sure that others of your ilk believe that you've "nailed it", but those who know better can see through your feeble offering and understand that you've just issued a hollow objection.

debeda

I believe the government SHOULD use our money to assist us when necessary. I further believe many departments of the government have become nonfunctional In many ways, because they have lost sight of their missions and exists only to perpetuate themselves.
I do not believe, tho, in welfare as a way of life, or permanent disability payments to drug addicts simply because they are addicts. That makes it too easy for them to STAY addicts. Help in place, certainly, but there must be goals and limits.
Furthermore, the notion of big bills stuffed with pork and poison pills is disgusting. Write an individual bill if need be for individual stimulus payments, for instance. Everyone agrees they are needed, so let's go. But no, both sides want their pork, so We The People suffer. I'd love to just line them up and smack them all.

debeda

I dont need to change your mind, nor am I patronizing you. I do, however, feel that your mindset, and the mindset of those of your like mind, are degrading civilization and taking us down a barbaric and regressive path.

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

Well, I guess we can agree on one thing, and that is that the system is broken.

But tRump's idea of fixing stuff with what I see as Fascism and Dictatorship it's completely abhorrent and unacceptable to me, and many of my ilk.

I'm a humanist and what today would be in favor of social democracy, and I have been such since my early teenage years. I've studied religion, history and politics for 60 more years and believe I've made an intelligent choice not to waiver. That doesn't mean that I haven't been criticized or denigrated for my beliefs, and that's okay, but I continue to assert my position. Surely, I'm not the only who feels this way, but all of us have a right to our own thoughts, philosophies and motivations.

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

Well, I don't know. I hope you can see that our definitions are different.

I think we've made significant progress in the last 70 years in humanism, planetary environment and animal welfare. And I see that being completely stripped away by a man who not only he himself, but someone who is using the system to pander to his base for his own benefit, encouraging hatred over the fact that Obama had the nerve to be president while black.

And it's not just tRump, who wasn't even in the political picture when Obama was elected. But the Pubs were, and if you remember, they announced from the very beginning that they were going to do everything they could to disturb anything he tried to do as president. And they did. They sowed dissension and more or less silently supported the racists...

...but TRump, never one not to capitalize on an opportunity, seized on the vocal minority and gave them permission to be even more obnoxious. And they have been throughout his campaign, and his 44 months reign of stupidity and terror, undoing almost every modern advancement made in those last 70 years that appealed to me and many others, and seating lifetime appointments on the federal and Supreme Court benches that will continue to cause disarray for the next 30 or 40 years.

The lack of balance is definitely another symptom and result of a broken system. The biggest problem I see is the conservs being willing to return to the Dark Ages by strict interpretation of the Constitution, whereas I see the Constitution as a living document that must move on as people change - - a thought that is completely unacceptable to the right. The result, the consequence, is that things have become so polarized that nobody can talk to one another or allow for any compromises. It's pretty disgusting down in the trenches.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Deb, you should read rose's post about propaganda. There are very few proven cases of voter fraud. Trump & his cheerleaders have pushed the idea of voter fraud because he dislikes the number of popular votes he received.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Those who support it are allowing a woman to masked her own life's decision. It not a decision anyone else should be allowed to make.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Weeds always sprout where you don't rant them. Are Republicans the same?

Big Dolly

Hmmmm! Definitely food for thought!

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

Unfortunately, like well rooted weeds, they don't want to let go of supporting a lying, cheating common narcissistic serial adulterer...

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Discarding the electoral college relegates small states to the back waters of democracy. Of course the opposite is also true, a few states decide the outcome of the election. Had Gore won his home state of Tennessee, the debacle in FL would hehe been irrelevant. While I liked Hillary, many choose not to vote. Plus the 3rd party candidates siphoned off just enough votes allowing trump to win. Perhaps there's a better system but getting it approved would be impossible. I hope this cycle, everyone votes, if so, trump will be 1 & done (over done in my opinion).

tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA

Your words to the ears of the universe, may they reverberate !!!

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

This time, the choice is between one decent candidate (Biden) and one that's corrupt (Trump). I've spelled out out for you because I know you often close your eyes tio the awful reality of trump.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Trump was a die hard Democrat until, what 2014? Then when he was in his 60s, he suddenly had an epiphany and voilá, like a butterfly, he's reborn as a die hard Republican? Or the reality is that you are being conned by one of the best. Yeah, your being conned.