Tasine Loc: Southwest US

It is dangerously IRRATIONAL to TRUST a government that lies constantly to you, who wastes every penny you can scrape up to feed it, who calls you names and treats you dirty, who works hard at keeping the populace divided, who works hard to keep people on welfare and beholden to government.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

It does cause extreme pain among you paranoid progs when someone on TV speaks out what he thinks and it doesn't agree with you. Hell, I don't like O'Reilly very much, either but this time I think he hit the whole thing on the nose.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I think the reason for that happening has a lot to do with the fact that too many of them have not been educated and like any other group like that they are very easy to influence when someone like Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton try so hard to use them.

rumitoid

I agree, tasine, of course it is irrational to trust a government proven to lie but you are reversing things. "Irrational suspiciousness" means the threat is imaginary, which is paranoia and not the wisdom to withhold trust from the undeserving. mccarthy is saying a "rational" person has reason to be irrationally suspicious.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Did you know that rumiturd is a multi-millionaire? Yeah, he told me that, himself, yesterday after telling me that he could buy and sell all the conservatives on this forum. Is he telling me that he is one of those elite limousine liberals? :lol: :lol:

rumitoid

Lol, liar, liar, pants on fire. You need a red flag for the tip of your nose, there, oldroy.

AfricanAtheist

Whether Zimmerman is guilty of murder or not is one thing but he is at the very least responsible for that kids death. Zimmerman obviously purposely put himself in a position where a confrontation could ensue. Zimmerman was carring a gun so he introduced the deadliness into the scenario. All he should have done was keep a visual on the kid if he was so concerned about his activities. If not for Zimmerman no death would have occurred. I'm hoping cooler heads prevail if he is acquitted but alot of us are concerned about all of the times white men have murdered black men and were not punished for it.

fastwalker Loc: Atlanta

For once I agree with you, oldroy. It's very easy to manipulate people who are hearing only one side of any issue, and I have an especially low opinion of Al Sharpton. It infuriates me to see so many people following him and giving him far more respect than he deserves. He is addicted to media attention and will use any issue to get it. The Tawana Brawley incident is an excellent example of his deceit and arrogance. As for Jesse Jackson, I'm not sure what to make of him.

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

I seem to recall that keeping an eye on the kid was exactly what he was doing while waiting for the cops to arrive. If TVM had not assaulted GZ, he would be alive today. Question: How long did the assault on GZ take place before he pulled the gun and shot the kid? Did he pull it out immediately when the kid came at him? Or did he allow himself to be beaten for a while before resorting to the gun as a last ditch effort to get the kid off him? If he pulled the gun out before the attack, then he IS guilty of murder. If he waited and came to the realization that the kid would not stop and he could not stop him, then he is guilty of self-defense. If it had been me, and I saw the kid coming at me with violent intent, I would have shot his ass before he reached me. Under some stand your grounds laws, that is justified. You people seem to be unaware of how self-defense is defined. In most cases, you are justified in killing a potential assailant if you believe your life or the life of another is in danger of death or serious bodily harm. Judgement of the victim in a case of self-defense has to be seen from his/her perspective. Had TVM broken into GZ's home and started to assault him, would you be asking the same questions.?

Loki Loc: Georgia

How about all the times blacks have murdered whites, or other blacks? I suppose that warrants no concern.

rumitoid

Look up the sentences handed out to whites to those of blacks with essentially the same record or offenses. Look up how many blacks are on death row compared to whites who committed comparable offenses. Then times that by five for the South, especially record-breaking capital executions by Texas.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

I suspect what he is telling you is that he is a liar. Talk is cheap, you know. :wink:

AfricanAtheist

Obviously you can't judge a book by its cover. However, that kid looked very meek to me and is definitely slight of build. Zimmerman looks to be probably twice that kids size. If Zim is the type of man that is not good at defending himself then he should have known better than to put himself in harms way. A person with an agenda and a gun? Either way, don't see how that kid is not the victim. Too bad he's not here to defend himself. I didn't hear but did Martin have any criminal record at all?

AfricanAtheist

Blacks RARELY murder whites. Obviously, any murder warrants concern. However, if every black person in this country murdered 1 white person it still wouldn't come close to the number of blacks meeting their end at the hands of whites. Seems alot of white people want to forget the horrors that many minorities were exposed to in this country. When we relive our history we have to take the good with the bad. We will always remember the Alamo, the Maine, July 4th, American revolution and other feel good sories but want to ignore the atrocities.

AfricanAtheist

If he had broken into his home? Of course no questions should be asked but he didn't. Truth is no one knows if that kid was up to no good or not. Thing is you don't get to kill someone because they MIGHT do something wrong. Furthermore, the actual scenario was no where near the B & E analogy you speak of.