1alpha7

My question is: Why does this bother you enough to question this method of surprise? It's a Peaceful Arrest method for the Peaceful Protestors! It's been shown thru internet videos that these communist driven renegade protesters immediately cause disruption and become unruly and chaotic when a visibly marked police vehicle approaches them.

In NY, Gov. Commode (Hahaha) disbanded the secret police and their unmarked cars only to have an increase in violence and murder!

1alpha7

Seth answered your comment earlier!
Quote: "What these rioters are doing goes well beyond "peaceful demonstrations," more in the realm of insurrection and straight-up terrorism..."
While just walking down the streets they destroy businesses of innocent shop owners!
Apparently, you want freedom for chaos, insurrection, and terrorism... You're implying that they have Rights to abuse others, but we don't have Rights to have arrest them surprisingly.
If you're a Democrat, terrorist, or criminal, your comment would be expected of you.

RRRoger

True, the temporary solution "might be" to send in the "Storm Troopers",
but the real solution is send in the Federal Police to arrest the Anarchist Leaders and the corrupt Leftist Democrat Establishment Elite who aid and abet them for Treason to the legal Citizens of the USA.

RRRoger

Put them in Prison and make them work making license plates, masks, or something useful instead of being destructive.

1alpha7

You're Right...
If this insurrection had been done before the Clinton Admin., that would have probably been the solution!
But, we have Communistic Marxist Politicians running Congress and States who welcome the destruction of America using their "Immunity Clause" for self-protection!

Navigator

You are completely braindead, have a terminal case of TDS or are so weak minded as to be brainwashed by the fake MSM if you believe people are being arrested for simply walking down the street. People being arrested who appear to be "just walking down the street" at the time of the arrest are either walking away from something they have just done or are known suspects for whom the police have been searching.

Seth

There seems to be a belief on the Democrat side of the equation that nipping a problem in the bud is an infringement of a problem creator's rights.

When Giuliani became mayor of NYC, he inherited a virtual combat zone of unsafe streets, unsafe subways and legion black-on-black crime, not least of which was homicide.

He instituted what came to be known as "broken windows" policing, going after lesser offenders before it might occur to them that "if I can get away with this, maybe I can push the envelope some and get away with that."

They created the NYPD Anti-Crime Unit, plainclothes cops patrolling the worst neighborhoods, doing "stop & frisk" when they believed (based on their own street experience) individuals appeared suspicious.

It worked -- under Giuliani's NYPD, NYC became a much safer city and after he left office, despite his successor's "progressive" leanings, Bloomberg continued Giuliani's policing policies and the city remained a safe place to live and to visit.

Then along came DeBlasio, and there went nipping crime in the bud as the Marxist Mayor began whittling away at what worked.

Now that BLM has DeBlasio in their little club, the Anti-Crime (since renamed the Street Crimes) Unit has been dissolved and NYC is again an unsafe combat zone.

The Democrats don't want any chaotic problems nipped in the bud, they want them to play out to their fullest potential -- in their warped minds, the more destruction, murder and mayhem that occurs across America, the easier it is for them to claim that President Trump has lost control of the country and is unable to guarantee us security and safety, that we need to hand over control of the government to the Democrats.

Of course, we'll need to cede "some of" our liberties, but in exchange we'll again have that security and safety.

Marxist Revolutionary Warfare 101.

This is a recurring theme: the Democrats enact policy changes, be they economic, social or security-wise, that create tragic circumstances, a lot of people's lives are utterly destroyed, a lot of people are stuck in poverty and squalor or a lot of people die, then the Democrats blame the problems of their own making on the Republicans and do so aided and abetted by the mainstream media.

Over the last 6 decades, the Democratic Party, having gradually less, as the left takes gradually more control of their party, to offer the American people that we would find appealing, has morphed into a force that is focused completely on unraveling everything America has evolved into over nearly 2 1/2 centuries in order to "fundamentally transform" this country into something completely unrecognizable.

Navigator

Depressing as all get out but undeniably true.

1alpha7

It's obvious that DeBlasio isn't capable of running any city in the free world.
DeBlasio solltest ins meer mit Eisen hosen schwimmen... Hahaha!

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

"I understand the few innocents who have been detained by mistake were only held for an hour or two and released with apologies. "
This is a qoute from an early answer in this thread.

Now if I follow what you wrote then the people or persons that are being picked up because what happened earlier in the area. So if the case according to the qoute then those detained are being released because of a mistake what do you think is going to happen when those who are released when their story is told.
That is why a proper procedure as the detaining agent is to stop the person or persons and then have someone Id them or produce some reason why the person was stopped, not just grab them and put them in the vechicle. Then when loaded head to where ever the police station or detaining area. Now it is a normal habit when you are questioned that you as person will give a reason and include only what is needed so as you will not be on the wrong side of the situration. There it leads to misleading infomation from all sources. One side is saying this the other is saying that.

Just a suggestion remember these two items;

It be said that when comments are turned into person attacks that maybe it is the only thing you have.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller

It is a free country you can think what you want.

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

What is happening according to all of the difinitions is terrorism;

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Why camouflage uniforms in a city or small town?
Could the uniforms being used by the government a means for intimidation?
Unlabeled names for protection ok. Department or agency labels missing?
Would you allow yourself be detained by unknowns?
Especially since the same uniforms and labels can be bought by anyone with the funds.

Example you have to get somewhere the path you normally use is right through the middle the whole thing. So you do the common sense thing to avoid the area but you still get picked up what would you do?

All crooks and innocents do have rights in accordance to due process.
While buildings do not, I am not saying that destroying public and federal building or injuring others should go unpunished.

camouflage
https://www.mediaite.com/news/what-kind-of-bullsht-is-this-retired-general-who-led-katrina-response-goes-off-on-trump-administrations-militarized-crackdown-in-portland/

Navigator

In a free country you not only have the freedom to think what you want, you also have the complete freedom to chase down the truth of something you have heard or seen. A person posting a claim that federal agents released innocent people who were wrongly apprehended doesn't mean that actually happened. The only information I could find was dozens or people arrested by Portland police, not the feds, early in the protest were released, not b/c they were innocent but b/c the local DA directed them to be released. Even if it did happen, nothing burger; sometimes the wrong people are arrested and are released when the error is discovered. What is NOT happening in Portland as a common practice is people being arrested who have done nothing wrong who were merely strolling down the street. What IS happening in Portland is a riot with rioters destroying property and assaulting police and innocent civilians. What IS happening in Portland is local politicians allowing the rioting to go on and instructing local police not to "interfere" with the rioting. What IS happening in Portland is the deployment of federal police to protect federal property (read that YOUR property) from rioters attempting to destroy said property that is not being protected by the locals. So go ahead, feel free to not believe your lying eyes about what is going on in Portland and instead believe MSM propaganda. Be assured, however, that the mob will one day come for you, no matter how woke you believe yourself to be.

Seth

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

Because woke yep a saying that everyone has a tendency to claim that you have to be. Now answer me this your infomation is coming from where?
Possible answer media facebook,beitbart,MSM, youtube and fellow members of the group you belong to. Because the Internet, if you are not in the area that is all you have to go on. Everyone it does not matter from which belief system you are going to get the story in accordance to what that persons view is.The main claim of the amount of people who own the media have total control of what is being seen or reported. I have a daughter in the area she even sent pictures of the action and areas. Yes the Fed is there to protect federal property that is all they are required from the state. Since the fed were not requested to come and also have been requested to leave. They are not allowed to leave that property. So if the reports are true they have already broken the law. Yeah the locals as reported by some to have lost control while others have claimed that the locals were allowing peaceful assembly. It was also reported that the bs had calmed down until the fed showed up.

Example the video of the vet that has gone around he was gassed and hit with batons. All he was saying was remember your oath. Now that claim can be taken two ways out and out lie to make the view that the fed or police are out of control, or the possibility that federal or police are actually are out of control.

It sounds like I am not taking a side because I don't believe in sides.What I do believe is that this country and the people have rights as I have repeatedly stated if the reports about the snatch and grabs are true someone is out of control.
Be them the protesters, authorities or those who just want to take advantage
of the situration. Rights be you a crook or an innocent are for everyone.
If you make a decision to break the law you should suffer the results of that decision.

1alpha7

Actually, there are no innocent people left in this peaceful chaotic & destructive demonstration that has continued for so long!

It's like a war zone. If you find yourself caught between the live fire in a war zone, you leave the area to not be involved or stay and join the fight! If you join the fight, you are not considered innocent of the event, even when your intent is to protect your property! If you leave the war enraged area, you demonstrate your innocence through your actions!

Therefore, due to the length of time that this non-peaceful demonstration has existed, everyone in the demonstration area is a part of the demonstration and is not innocent with the exception of the non-participating persons whose homes are within the area. The government officials are responsible for the safety of these people therefore required to provide safe living accommodations in distant safe areas for the individuals caught inside this governmentally accepted destructive peaceful demonstration where their city & state laws are continuously broken under their watch & with their permission!