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Jul 22, 2020 19:46:15   #
Seth
 
RT friend wrote:
Thanks for the reply all I know is he was middle off the road and set the stage for GOP"ers that followed, I'm thinking Trump is performing a similar political staging point it could have gone either way after Eisenhower but I have to do a bit of research before answering, tonight.


More simply put, as President of the United States, Trump can't just sit idly by and watch crowds of thugs turn our cities into burned out, trashed, looted, deadly combat zones while the local politicians who are supposed to address these situations and protect the public allow them to occur for strictly political reasons.

The only reason the lefties here at OPP are against Trump sending in federal enforcement has nothing to do with any sudden respect for "states' rights," it has to do with their hatred for Trump -- as long as it doesn't affect them, they don't care how many Americans have to die, have their homes or businesses burned to the ground or anything else -- they only care about making Trump look bad.

I'd truly love to hear that one or two of them had their houses burned down or got beaten bloody by some of these rioters, maybe lost one of their children to a drive-by, see what they'd post then.

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Jul 22, 2020 20:02:28   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
The government tyranny exist in the Democrat Governors and Mayors who promote the unlawful destruction of property and the maining and killing of innocent people by their indifference and inaction. If they refuse to perform ther duties others must.


Best post on this thread.

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Jul 22, 2020 20:03:42   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Now we know the truth about these phony freedom fighters, don’t we?
Faced with reality
Wee wee wee
All the way home!
I knew it !
All that puffy chested BS about freedom and liberty,
Wee wee wee
All the way home!
Tyranny is what presently exits in the Whitehouse.
Apparently this is the wrong Tyranny.
The Wrong Tyranny????????
I’ve heard about all I can from these phony vasterds.
Go sit down and eat your c- rations and talk about the big day that’s coming.
You fools are over with!!!!
Now we know the truth about these phony freedom fi... (show quote)


Oh grow up.

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Jul 22, 2020 20:35:30   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
RT friend wrote:
Trump is breaking from the conservative tradition initiated by Eisenhower believing small Gov is better. Agreed.



That wasn’t Eisenhower, that was Reagan

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Jul 22, 2020 20:37:52   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
RT friend wrote:
You want to know what real tyranny is go visit Saudi Arabia, I know Biden's got the right programme for Saudi Arabia if he wins in November, so I'm not having a go at anybody, just want to say that King Salman went for a check up and was held over for couple of days so far, big important meetings have been cancelled and the term "stable condition" is being used by authorities, could be to acclimatize the people into accepting critical.

If the King can hold on till after November and Biden wins there is a good chance the succession of bin.Salman, a first time departure from the sons of al-Saud the first King of Saudi Arabia becoming King, can be reversed without bloodshed but I got my doubts he can do that, it must be incredibly stressful for him knowing his idiot son has lost his war in Yemen alienated all their allies except a few degenerate leaders and now probably killed the king with dysthymia.
You want to know what real tyranny is go visit Sau... (show quote)


You want to know what real tyranny is , go to Portland, Oregon, USA !!!!

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Jul 22, 2020 23:16:14   #
Iliamna1
 
Bravo! That was so well stated..

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Jul 22, 2020 23:38:52   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Seth wrote:
More simply put, as President of the United States, Trump can't just sit idly by and watch crowds of thugs turn our cities into burned out, trashed, looted, deadly combat zones while the local politicians who are supposed to address these situations and protect the public allow them to occur for strictly political reasons.

The only reason the lefties here at OPP are against Trump sending in federal enforcement has nothing to do with any sudden respect for "states' rights," it has to do with their hatred for Trump -- as long as it doesn't affect them, they don't care how many Americans have to die, have their homes or businesses burned to the ground or anything else -- they only care about making Trump look bad.

I'd truly love to hear that one or two of them had their houses burned down or got beaten bloody by some of these rioters, maybe lost one of their children to a drive-by, see what they'd post then.
More simply put, as President of the United States... (show quote)


Trump is not capable of what you’re talking about.
However, Steve Miller and Steve Bannon need to be watched!

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Jul 22, 2020 23:46:42   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
Milosia2 wrote:
You want to know what real tyranny is , go to Portland, Oregon, USA !!!!

Are your anarchist friends still making your life miserable? or maybe you enjoy it...

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Jul 23, 2020 00:07:07   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Milosia2 wrote:
You want to know what real tyranny is , go to Portland, Oregon, USA !!!!
And have a word with a pencil-necked weasel named Ted Wheeler. Y'all might find him in the city hall basement with cops posted upstairs, or he might be disguised as a hippy and smoking pot in a motel room. Who the hell knows what that spineless twit is up to.

When you get done reaming his ass - if you can find him - go see an airhead named Kate Brown - she lives down in Salem in some digs called Mahonia Hall. Ream her ass real good cuz she's supposed to be in charge of stopping all that shit.

Here's a question you should ask her - What's the logic in restraining the Portland police and allowing this bullshit to go on, then getting your panties a wad when the president of the United States has to send someone to do your fking job?

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Jul 23, 2020 00:09:13   #
Seth
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Trump is not capable of what you’re talking about.
However, Steve Miller and Steve Bannon need to be watched!


Trump is more than capable. Unlike a career politician, he is a doer and a hard core problem solver.

He knows how to allocate a task to someone with expertise and he knows how to equip them with their ROE and let them do their jobs without second guessing them like a career politician would.

Steve Bannon is a micromanager.

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Jul 23, 2020 01:01:26   #
Bluuplanet
 
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
--Thomas Jefferson.

If the patriots are more likely to be martyred, so be it. The tyrants are more powerful but have fewer numbers. They don't live and breathe tyranny every waking moment -- only while at work. Otherwise, they think they can live private lives. Liberty can be preserved by attrition.

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Jul 23, 2020 04:53:30   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Seth wrote:
I don't see it as a small government issue, though President Trump is for limited government.

In this case it's more that he is doing his job and protecting the lives and property of taxpaying citizens because those who carry direct responsibility for that job are not doing it.

Like anyone who can think critically and has already witnessed the tactics of the left in America to the extent that they are totally predictable, it's quite obvious that the primary reason these local Democrat politicians aren't doing their job as far as the rioting is concerned -- and protesting Trump's sending in federal enforcement -- is that they fully intend, when election time comes around in November, to then claim that "Trump let it happen, lost control, it's all his fault for not taking action."

The president, and rightly so, is not going to allow this to happen.

The rioting, the looting, the arson and the violence, the toppling of various national monuments, the vandalism -- every last bit of it belongs to the Democrats and only the Democrats. They and their local politicians in these states/cities where all the rioting is occurring own every last looting, act of arson, black on black shooting and other incident of violence.

The Democrats expect a one way street, where they will prosecute anyone who tries to defend himself against those who would destroy his property or harm his family or otherwise obstruct the murder and mayhem.

https://www.bucksexton.com/content/2020-07-21-dem-prosecutors-send-clear-message-to-americans-after-charges-in-st-louis/

President Trump simply isn't playing their game by cowering in the face of the enemy.

He's doing his job.
I don't see it as a small government issue, though... (show quote)


Trump is for limited Government so therefore he should be middle of the road, no use reaching out for the already committed, Rednecks might be one of the few that benefit, that isn't what's called for at the moment.

I researched Eisenhower and found similarities, did you know Eisenhower campaigned to end the Korean war in 1950, was against big business dominating society, that's Trump one out of two, better than nothing, but Trump hasn't got a guilty conscience and Eisenhower was trying to make good, I think that's what set the stage for prosperity in the 60's after his time ended, except for two and a bit years it was all idiots, Carter did his best to bring back sanitary but he got the blame for what was beyond his control probably what's happening now.

In a way the hairy present is an indication of Trump past virtue, but Trump wasn't really in the thick of it in the past, as far as politics is concerned, so his guilty ridden past might have begun in 2020 when the pendulum swung back, guilt in politics comes from mistakes.

If Trump didn't make mistakes then why didn't the pandemic unify the Nation, instead of the opposite, people go out to demonstrate because Trump didn't wear a mask and he down played the disease's intensity, which gave the Democrats a lot of fire power, people that supported the desire for stability would have still been with the Republicans, and isn't that what Biden's cashing in on, party loyalty was always a grey area when the parties are very similar, big Federal Gov must mean small community and State Gov cannot be one one day the opposite the next, Biden is obfuscating the issue and Trump is cornered.

But it's not too late Trump has got to stop acting like a free agent, that's a crime for a politician, and the guy with the assault weapon isn't making the point he thinks he is, the correct and legal procedure would be to verbally warn suspected intruders and resort to violence if all else fails, and his wife obviously egging him on wasn't risking anything, but he sure was.


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Jul 23, 2020 05:09:38   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Milosia2 wrote:
You want to know what real tyranny is , go to Portland, Oregon, USA !!!!


Not allowed to travel, otherwise I would.

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Jul 23, 2020 05:46:59   #
rjoeholl
 
Lonewolf wrote:
its called state rights


Do you mean that little thingy that started the War of Northern Aggression? THAT State's Rights?

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Jul 23, 2020 05:51:50   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Milosia2 wrote:
That wasn’t Eisenhower, that was Reagan


Completely disagree, Reagan was the anti-thesis of Eisenhower's pragmatism.

Eisenhower spoke about gutters, you know that's when the bowling balls go off track, he clearly indicated the gutters were extreams of both left and right, he represented no specific ideology edged away from the New Deal but seriously supported spending on infrastructure (the interstate system), kept taxes very high, Trump was meant to start infrastructure but Russia ragging distracted him and tax cuts seemed like a way out.

I think Eisenhower was responsible for more German fatalities due to inhuman detention after the War than was the entire German deaths on the Western Front during the 2nd. World War, I also suspect he was directly responsible for the murder of General Patton, but there were books written putting the blame on Eisenhower's complicity with the Russians, sound familiar ?, and it was they the Russians who murdered General Patton that is the Russian NKVD, how unusual is that, I don't intend to read them, but it does indicate why Eisenhower had his hands tied with regard to the after developed Cold War.

Eisenhower wanted to wage peace but he complained the Military Industrial Complex was hijacking policy.

Eisenhower saw himself as a Centrist and openly spoke about a Middle Way was not rabid anti-socialist, was anti war, like Trump, but I don't think Eisenhower would have been into sanctions and weaponising the USD, although that was a different era, we really can't make assumptions like that, but not so about the cold war mentality, it's possible to say Eisenhower would not be initiating a new cold war today.

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