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Jul 15, 2020 07:38:31   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
On August 19, 1966, Chinese students launched a fight for social justice to fight for the rights of the oppressed in China. It was widely believed that the 'patriarchal system' in China had been created by the elites and held down women, minorities, and the working class. The students cried out for a revolution and change, and consequentially launched the infamous Chinese Cultural Revolution.

Students put a red band around their arm to stand in solidarity with the oppressed and called for a change on old ideas that they called the 'Four Olds.' The Four Olds were: Old Customs, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Ideas.

The movement was supported by the Chinese media.

Mass demonstrations and looting by the students ensued.

Statues were torn down.

Chinese architecture was destroyed.

Classical literature and Chinese paintings were torn apart and burned.

Temples were desecrated.

The Cemetery of Confucius was attacked.

The corpse of the 76th-generation Duke Yansheng was removed from its grave and hung from a tree.

Wealthy homes were attacked and destroyed.

Many families' long-kept genealogy books were burned to ashes.

All of history, in short, was to be removed and replaced. This was the central meaning of Cultural Revolution: That China was going to destroy every trace of its bourgeois (privileged) past and replace it with a new culture built on the principles of Maoism and Marxism.

Communist leaders like President Liu Shaoqi were taken out of power and replaced with men Mao believed were not critical of his reign.

Public leaders who were considered to be oppressive were tried by angry mobs and vigilantes.

Three days later, August 22, 1966, a central directive was issued to stop police intervention. The police were disbanded in the city and the students formed a community solution called the RED GUARD. The RED GUARDS policed the communities and punished anyone who did not agree with their ideas. Even people that supported the movement, but had bad thoughts ("wrong thinking") could be punished.

Though many Christians supported the movement in the beginning, they quickly became the number one target of the RED GUARDS and public trials were held to condemn them to death.

Many of those that were on board with the cause of the rebellion, in the beginning, saw that it was not really what they had signed up for, but by then it was too late. The power that the Red Guard wanted had already been given.

More people died during the cultural revolution in China than any war, famine, or natural disaster in the history of man. An estimated 20 to 30 million people were killed.

- Adam Smith

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Jul 15, 2020 08:00:09   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
Yeah ignore history and it will repeat , there will always be a fork in the road you can also use history to ensure the right turn is taken at the fork.

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Jul 15, 2020 08:11:26   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
On August 19, 1966, Chinese students launched a fight for social justice to fight for the rights of the oppressed in China. It was widely believed that the 'patriarchal system' in China had been created by the elites and held down women, minorities, and the working class. The students cried out for a revolution and change, and consequentially launched the infamous Chinese Cultural Revolution.

Students put a red band around their arm to stand in solidarity with the oppressed and called for a change on old ideas that they called the 'Four Olds.' The Four Olds were: Old Customs, Old Culture, Old Habits, and Old Ideas.

The movement was supported by the Chinese media.

Mass demonstrations and looting by the students ensued.

Statues were torn down.

Chinese architecture was destroyed.

Classical literature and Chinese paintings were torn apart and burned.

Temples were desecrated.

The Cemetery of Confucius was attacked.

The corpse of the 76th-generation Duke Yansheng was removed from its grave and hung from a tree.

Wealthy homes were attacked and destroyed.

Many families' long-kept genealogy books were burned to ashes.

All of history, in short, was to be removed and replaced. This was the central meaning of Cultural Revolution: That China was going to destroy every trace of its bourgeois (privileged) past and replace it with a new culture built on the principles of Maoism and Marxism.

Communist leaders like President Liu Shaoqi were taken out of power and replaced with men Mao believed were not critical of his reign.

Public leaders who were considered to be oppressive were tried by angry mobs and vigilantes.

Three days later, August 22, 1966, a central directive was issued to stop police intervention. The police were disbanded in the city and the students formed a community solution called the RED GUARD. The RED GUARDS policed the communities and punished anyone who did not agree with their ideas. Even people that supported the movement, but had bad thoughts ("wrong thinking") could be punished.

Though many Christians supported the movement in the beginning, they quickly became the number one target of the RED GUARDS and public trials were held to condemn them to death.

Many of those that were on board with the cause of the rebellion, in the beginning, saw that it was not really what they had signed up for, but by then it was too late. The power that the Red Guard wanted had already been given.

More people died during the cultural revolution in China than any war, famine, or natural disaster in the history of man. An estimated 20 to 30 million people were killed.

- Adam Smith
On August 19, 1966, Chinese students launched a fi... (show quote)


Two years ago when I joined the OPP I predicted America would follow this path...

Sad...

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Jul 15, 2020 08:41:50   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Two years ago when I joined the OPP I predicted America would follow this path...

Sad...


I like reading your comments but think making a connecting between the red guard & BLM is a stretch. Police Depts won't be defunded in the US. Also, I think the make up of the US is vastly different than that of China in 1966. The US has a very strong middle class where many in China lived in poverty? You lived there, maybe you can point out my inaccuracies. Also, I think the US has a much stronger system of checks & balances. One last note, I didn't mean this to criticize your comments, but am replying as much to the first commenter. I realize you were making a prediction but I'm on a phone & it's hard to clip & paste, so my apologizes to you.

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Jul 15, 2020 08:48:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
I usually like some of your comments but I think making the connecting between the red guard & BLM is a stretch. Police Depts won't be defunded in the US. Also, I think the make up of the US is vastly different than that of China in 1966. The US has a very strong middle class where many in China lived in poverty? You lived there, maybe you can point out my inaccuracies. Also, I think the US has a much stronger system of checks & balances. One lady note, I didn't mean this to criticize your comments, but am replying as much to the first commenter.
I usually like some of your comments but I think m... (show quote)


It's not the same, but the situations are comparable...
China was exiting over a century of abuse and warfare.. Plus experimenting with a radical new form of government...
America has a growing under class and a shrinking middle class.... Fewer opportunities and a lot of dissatisfaction...
I doubt it will be as extreme as China's cultural revolution... But the undertones are there...

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Jul 15, 2020 09:00:21   #
PeterS
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It's not the same, but the situations are comparable...
China was exiting over a century of abuse and warfare.. Plus experimenting with a radical new form of government...
America has a growing under class and a shrinking middle class.... Fewer opportunities and a lot of dissatisfaction...
I doubt it will be as extreme as China's cultural revolution... But the undertones are there...

I don't think the situations are comparable at all. BLM was created by the systemic racism in our police departments. This isn't about economic dissatisfaction but ridding our police departments and the racism that has been inherent in them for decades. If that takes completely dismantling our police departments and rebuilding them then that's what needs to happen. To do anything less and allow racism to continue may well cause the cultural change we saw in China. It's in our control which way that we go...

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Jul 15, 2020 09:02:42   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
PeterS wrote:
I don't think the situations are comparable at all. BLM was created by the systemic racism in our police departments. This isn't about economic dissatisfaction but ridding our police departments and the racism that has been inherent in them for decades. If that takes completely dismantling our police departments and rebuilding them then that's what needs to happen. To do anything less and allow racism to continue may well cause the cultural change we saw in China. It's in our control which way that we go...
I don't think the situations are comparable at all... (show quote)


I think it's more than just BLM being discussed here...

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Jul 15, 2020 09:15:09   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I think it's more than just BLM being discussed here...


Peter is a cover up boy for leftist criminality.

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Jul 15, 2020 09:19:36   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It's not the same, but the situations are comparable...
China was exiting over a century of abuse and warfare.. Plus experimenting with a radical new form of government...
America has a growing under class and a shrinking middle class.... Fewer opportunities and a lot of dissatisfaction...
I doubt it will be as extreme as China's cultural revolution... But the undertones are there...


Good points CD. Completely agree on the shrinking middle class, and dwindling opportunities for younger people. Where to point the finger, and how to begin to solve these problems is the question.

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Jul 15, 2020 09:22:52   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
ACP45 wrote:
Good points CD. Completely agree on the shrinking middle class, and dwindling opportunities for younger people. Where to point the finger, and how to begin to solve these problems is the question.


Personally, I think making a distinction between free market capitalism and corporatism would be a good start....

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Jul 15, 2020 10:10:13   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
PeterS wrote:
...BLM was created by the systemic racism in our police departments. This isn't about economic dissatisfaction but ridding our police departments and the racism that has been inherent in them for decades. If that takes completely dismantling our police departments and rebuilding them then that's what needs to happen. To do anything less and allow racism to continue may well cause the cultural change we saw in China. It's in our control which way that we go...

Why do you keep perpetuating that lie Pete? You're full of Adam Schitt.

BLM is a Marxist revolutionary movement aimed at transforming the United States — and the entire world — into a communist dystopia. BLM's founders openly admit to being Marxist ideologues. And their self-confessed mentors include former members of the Weather Underground, a radical "leftwing" terrorist group that sought to bring a communist revolution to the United States in the 1960s and 1970s.

BLM states that it wants to abolish:
• The nuclear family
• Police and prisons
• Heteronormativity
• And capitalism

BLM and groups associated with it are demanding a moratorium on rent, mortgages and utilities and reparations for a long list of grievances. BLM leaders have threatened to "burn down the system" if their demands are not met.

They are also training militias based on the militant Black Panther movement of the 1960s. Most importantly, the main premise of BLM is based on a lie — namely that the United States is "at war" with African Americans. Blacks are not being systematically targeted by whites. Fifty years after the signing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, more than three in four Americans, including most whites and blacks, agree that real progress has been made in getting rid of racial discrimination. Scholars have noted that BLM's inability to produce solid empirical evidence of systemic racism explains why its leaders continue to "broaden and deepen" the indictment to include the entire American social and political order.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:22:47   #
JoyV
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It's not the same, but the situations are comparable...
China was exiting over a century of abuse and warfare.. Plus experimenting with a radical new form of government...
America has a growing under class and a shrinking middle class.... Fewer opportunities and a lot of dissatisfaction...
I doubt it will be as extreme as China's cultural revolution... But the undertones are there...


I agree with your assessment. Complacently thinking it can never happen here is part of why the progressives have become so deranged and the BLM and Antifa have become so powerful.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:24:30   #
JoyV
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Personally, I think making a distinction between free market capitalism and corporatism would be a good start....


You are on a roll. Again I fully agree with you.

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Jul 16, 2020 11:26:19   #
JoyV
 
Parky60 wrote:
Why do you keep perpetuating that lie Pete? You're full of Adam Schitt.

BLM is a Marxist revolutionary movement aimed at transforming the United States — and the entire world — into a communist dystopia. BLM's founders openly admit to being Marxist ideologues. And their self-confessed mentors include former members of the Weather Underground, a radical "leftwing" terrorist group that sought to bring a communist revolution to the United States in the 1960s and 1970s.

BLM states that it wants to abolish:
• The nuclear family
• Police and prisons
• Heteronormativity
• And capitalism

BLM and groups associated with it are demanding a moratorium on rent, mortgages and utilities and reparations for a long list of grievances. BLM leaders have threatened to "burn down the system" if their demands are not met.

They are also training militias based on the militant Black Panther movement of the 1960s. Most importantly, the main premise of BLM is based on a lie — namely that the United States is "at war" with African Americans. Blacks are not being systematically targeted by whites. Fifty years after the signing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, more than three in four Americans, including most whites and blacks, agree that real progress has been made in getting rid of racial discrimination. Scholars have noted that BLM's inability to produce solid empirical evidence of systemic racism explains why its leaders continue to "broaden and deepen" the indictment to include the entire American social and political order.
Why do you keep perpetuating that lie Pete? You're... (show quote)


Very well stated.

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Jul 16, 2020 12:22:55   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
As I watch film clips about the rioting in US cities I am stunned by the fact that Black Lives Matter seems to be on the posters but the people holding the posters are almost always 18 to 30 years old whites. That age grouping is the age group of college students and most of the areas ravaged by rioting have colleges in the towns. The draft needs to be returned and the basic training needs to be 20 weeks with the first four weeks an intensive course in US History to combat the non-history taught by todays public school system. Add it up folks, 18 to 30 years old, colleges, public school, lack of family environment = loss of America.

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