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Jun 26, 2020 12:21:10 #
DM wrote:
Marty: Thanks for a few decent people who have a f... (show quote)
".Might be a time for Christ to show up.."
Yep!
The signs are there for the Last Days of this age. 2'000 years +
Jun 27, 2020 06:10:08 #
The synagogue of Satan is mentioned twice in Revelation, once in Jesus’ letter to the first-century church in Smyrna and once to the church in Philadelphia. In both cases, the synagogue of Satan is opposed to the mission and message of the church.
The synagogue of Satan refers to specific Jewish communities in Smyrna and Philadelphia that were persecuting the church, not to any modern situation.
To the church in Smyrna, Jesus says, “I know your afflictions and your poverty - yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan” (Revelation 2:9).
To the church of Philadelphia in Asia Minor, Jesus says, “I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars - I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you” (Revelation 3:9).
In short, the "synagogue of Satan" was a group of 1st century Jews who were persecuting their Jewish brothers who had accepted Jesus as their Messiah, and were becoming known as Christians. These groups were guilty of slandering the church in Smyrna and opposing the church in Philadelphia, which was to oppose God's will.
The majority of the persecution the New Testament church first faced in the early 1st century came from the Jewish community who failed to understand how Jesus had fulfilled their Messianic prophecies. Even most of the Roman persecution was an effort to appease the Jewish authorities. This is true of Pilate’s condemnation of Jesus (John 19:1–16) and Paul’s imprisonment by the Roman governors Felix (Acts 24:27) and Festus (Acts 25:16).
This pattern held true throughout the Roman world in the first century. As long as Christians were considered a sect of Judaism, they were exempt from the required observance of certain aspects of Roman state religion, as were all the Jews.
However, as Christians, they were being expelled from synagogues and denounced by the Jewish leadership, and Rome then began to see Christianity as a new religion that did not have these same historical exemptions as did the Jews. Therefore, Christians, now outside the protective umbrella of the synagogue became open to Roman persecution.
The "synagogue of Satan" say they are Jews (the people of God), but they persecute those who believe in Jesus the Messiah). In reality, by rejecting the Jewish Messiah, they are individually rejecting their opportunity to become completed in God's plan for their spiritual salvation, and that is why Jesus calls them “liars.”
This spiritual distinction between those born ethnic Jews and Jews who have believed in Christ is also seen in Romans 9:6 (“Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel”) and Romans 2:28–29 (“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter”).
By their persecution of the fledgling Christian church, which was composed of first century believing Jews who had accepted the gospel, these unbelieving Jews are called a "synagogue of Satan" - because as a group, they were actually blindly doing the work of the devil in opposing the teaching of their own Messiah, whom they had failed to recognize.
However, through Paul, the Holy Spirit makes it clear that within the church, the body of Christ during the church age, all believers are the same.
Galatians 3:28 "So there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles, between slaves and free people, between men and women; you are all one in union with Christ Jesus."
Romans 10:12 "This includes everyone, because there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles; God is the same Lord of all and richly blesses all who call to him."
Nothing can ever invalidate the Jewish people's ownership of the land of Israel, for that eternal promise made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and their progeny was unconditional, and will stand forever.
In Genesis 15, God made this land promise to Abraham through a unilateral covenant where only one party (God) walked between the split animals thus making it clear that the contract was conditional only upon God fulfilling His promise. There is no obligation placed upon the other party (Abraham).
God's faithfulness to His pledge to Abraham, and subsequently made to Isaac, to Jacob, and their progeny, requires the physical land of Israel, as their eternal possession.
Genesis 15:17-21
In Isaiah 60, the oppressing Gentiles will bow down at the feet of Jews and admit that God loves them. In Revelation 2 - 3, oppressing Jews will bow down at the feet of the persecuted Church (with a significant population of Gentiles in it) and admit that God loves them.
The synagogue of Satan refers to specific Jewish communities in Smyrna and Philadelphia that were persecuting the church, not to any modern situation.
To the church in Smyrna, Jesus says, “I know your afflictions and your poverty - yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan” (Revelation 2:9).
To the church of Philadelphia in Asia Minor, Jesus says, “I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars - I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you” (Revelation 3:9).
In short, the "synagogue of Satan" was a group of 1st century Jews who were persecuting their Jewish brothers who had accepted Jesus as their Messiah, and were becoming known as Christians. These groups were guilty of slandering the church in Smyrna and opposing the church in Philadelphia, which was to oppose God's will.
The majority of the persecution the New Testament church first faced in the early 1st century came from the Jewish community who failed to understand how Jesus had fulfilled their Messianic prophecies. Even most of the Roman persecution was an effort to appease the Jewish authorities. This is true of Pilate’s condemnation of Jesus (John 19:1–16) and Paul’s imprisonment by the Roman governors Felix (Acts 24:27) and Festus (Acts 25:16).
This pattern held true throughout the Roman world in the first century. As long as Christians were considered a sect of Judaism, they were exempt from the required observance of certain aspects of Roman state religion, as were all the Jews.
However, as Christians, they were being expelled from synagogues and denounced by the Jewish leadership, and Rome then began to see Christianity as a new religion that did not have these same historical exemptions as did the Jews. Therefore, Christians, now outside the protective umbrella of the synagogue became open to Roman persecution.
The "synagogue of Satan" say they are Jews (the people of God), but they persecute those who believe in Jesus the Messiah). In reality, by rejecting the Jewish Messiah, they are individually rejecting their opportunity to become completed in God's plan for their spiritual salvation, and that is why Jesus calls them “liars.”
This spiritual distinction between those born ethnic Jews and Jews who have believed in Christ is also seen in Romans 9:6 (“Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel”) and Romans 2:28–29 (“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter”).
By their persecution of the fledgling Christian church, which was composed of first century believing Jews who had accepted the gospel, these unbelieving Jews are called a "synagogue of Satan" - because as a group, they were actually blindly doing the work of the devil in opposing the teaching of their own Messiah, whom they had failed to recognize.
However, through Paul, the Holy Spirit makes it clear that within the church, the body of Christ during the church age, all believers are the same.
Galatians 3:28 "So there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles, between slaves and free people, between men and women; you are all one in union with Christ Jesus."
Romans 10:12 "This includes everyone, because there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles; God is the same Lord of all and richly blesses all who call to him."
Nothing can ever invalidate the Jewish people's ownership of the land of Israel, for that eternal promise made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and their progeny was unconditional, and will stand forever.
In Genesis 15, God made this land promise to Abraham through a unilateral covenant where only one party (God) walked between the split animals thus making it clear that the contract was conditional only upon God fulfilling His promise. There is no obligation placed upon the other party (Abraham).
God's faithfulness to His pledge to Abraham, and subsequently made to Isaac, to Jacob, and their progeny, requires the physical land of Israel, as their eternal possession.
Genesis 15:17-21
In Isaiah 60, the oppressing Gentiles will bow down at the feet of Jews and admit that God loves them. In Revelation 2 - 3, oppressing Jews will bow down at the feet of the persecuted Church (with a significant population of Gentiles in it) and admit that God loves them.
eagleye13 wrote:
A lot of Christians need some scholarly Bible teaching. Hard to come by these days.
One scripture to take heed of;
Beware of those who claim to be Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Somewhere in the Book of Deuteronomy.
One scripture to take heed of;
Beware of those who claim to be Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Somewhere in the Book of Deuteronomy.
Jun 27, 2020 07:29:06 #
Marty 2020 wrote:
Christians don’t believe Jews are condemned to hell!
We believe that Jacobs Trouble, the 70th week, the Great Tribulation, The Day Of The LORD, are for the Jews. That’s when God brings back the Little Flock. They will see Him who they pierced. The blindness that they received in Romans will be lifted.
We believe that Jacobs Trouble, the 70th week, the Great Tribulation, The Day Of The LORD, are for the Jews. That’s when God brings back the Little Flock. They will see Him who they pierced. The blindness that they received in Romans will be lifted.
Right... So they don't need to accept Christ???
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Jun 27, 2020 09:52:31 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Right... So they don't need to accept Christ???
Salvation as a Christian comes to those who accept the free gift from Christ.
That’s the program (dispensation of Grace) that we are in right now.
The end of that occurs at the Rapture.
Those “saved” after that are not Christians. They are killed during the tribulation for not taking the mark of the beast. Essentially cleansing their robes with their own blood. We, here now, are cleansed by the blood of Jesus.
Jews are currently under a God imposed blindness. That will be lifted during the tribulation.
Jun 27, 2020 09:56:44 #
Canuckus Deploracus: Controversary is what name of the game is, huh? Always tit or tat? If you had
an "working brain"...there IS A ROAD TO CHRISTIANITY. How about you...want to hear what YOU are
all about. Obviously many in "here" know what you are about but let us hear it from your "ever loving
heart" and you proclamation of your humongous faith..
Think the STATE OF MINNESOTA HAS ANY JEWS, CHRISTIANS?...OR WHAT ARE THEY? TOOK 1ST STEP AND ELEMINATING THE POLICE...PREY TELL WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP, WISE ONE? PLENTY OF JEWS IN
MN AND LIVED THERE...HOWEVER SEEMS IT IS THE "OMAR CROWD"...IS IT NOT? MUSLIMS OR WHAT
ARE THEY? NO BRAINS, WE KNOW THAT...EXPLAIN WITH ALL OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE ON EVERY SUBJECT..
WAITING BREATHLESSLY FOR YOUR FANTASTIC ANSWER...
an "working brain"...there IS A ROAD TO CHRISTIANITY. How about you...want to hear what YOU are
all about. Obviously many in "here" know what you are about but let us hear it from your "ever loving
heart" and you proclamation of your humongous faith..
Think the STATE OF MINNESOTA HAS ANY JEWS, CHRISTIANS?...OR WHAT ARE THEY? TOOK 1ST STEP AND ELEMINATING THE POLICE...PREY TELL WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP, WISE ONE? PLENTY OF JEWS IN
MN AND LIVED THERE...HOWEVER SEEMS IT IS THE "OMAR CROWD"...IS IT NOT? MUSLIMS OR WHAT
ARE THEY? NO BRAINS, WE KNOW THAT...EXPLAIN WITH ALL OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE ON EVERY SUBJECT..
WAITING BREATHLESSLY FOR YOUR FANTASTIC ANSWER...
Jun 27, 2020 10:03:58 #
Marty 2020: THANKS! NEEDED YOUR COMMENT...WE AWAIT TO HEAR FROM CANUCUKUS..."the truth
shall make us all free"...and so it goes!
shall make us all free"...and so it goes!
Jun 27, 2020 10:10:23 #
Marty 2020 wrote:
Salvation as a Christian comes to those who accept... (show quote)
God has purposely blinded the entire Jewish nation?
I'm unaware of that...
Seems that Jews can accept the gift of salvation freely... Or damnation... It's a choice...
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Jun 27, 2020 10:11:48 #
DM wrote:
Canuckus Deploracus: Controversary is what name of... (show quote)
I'm having difficulty making sense of your post... Was there a question requiring an answer among all that ranting???
Jun 27, 2020 10:24:08 #
Canuckus Deploracus"...Pick one of my ramblings...you have an answer for everything "under the sun!"
Jun 27, 2020 10:29:15 #
DM wrote:
Canuckus Deploracus"...Pick one of my ramblings...you have an answer for everything "under the sun!"
Ok... Controversy on a political forum is not an infrequent phenomenon...
Jun 27, 2020 18:11:39 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Right... So they don't need to accept Christ???
You sure you want to go on??
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Jun 27, 2020 18:35:56 #
The Bible teaches and all Bible believing Christians believe that every man was born with a conscience, to know good and evil, and an understanding that there is a God to whom he must make account.
Christians believe God will make available the Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who seek Him.
Christians believe God seeks out those who seek Him, for He has said so.
Christians believe every man must choose Life or Death:
Job 27:6 "I will cling to my righteousness and never let it go. My conscience will not accuse me as long as I live!"
Romans 2:15: "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"
2nd Corinthians 4:2 "But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."
The Bible teaches only one path to God:
John 14:6: Jesus Christ dogmatically stated: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” The only way to have a relationship with God the Father is through Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:12: The apostle Peter, speaking of Jesus Christ, proclaimed, “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
We cannot be saved unless we accept and believe in Jesus Christ and what He did for each of us.
Even the most famous Bible verse in Christianity while proclaiming God’s love and desire to save people adds the caveat that they must “believe in Him” to have everlasting life:
John 3:16: “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
John 3:36: “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
1 Timothy 2:5: “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.”
1 John 5:12: “He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.”
God has declared that all who seek Him will be rewarded by Him:
2 Chronicles 26:5 "And he set himself to seek God in the days of Zechariah, who had understanding in the vision of God: and as long as he sought Jehovah, God made him to prosper."
Job 5:8 "As for me, I would seek God and inquire of and require Him, and to God would I commit my cause -- "
Psalm 14:2 "The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God."
Psalm 10:4 "With bald-faced pride the wicked will not seek God. There is no God in any of his thoughts."
What did Jesus say in Matthew 25:31-46? The Judgment:
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’
44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not (e)take care of You?’
45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Jesus told The Parable Of The Weeds
Matthew 13:40-42:
40 "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense (persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin) and all who do iniquity and act wickedly,
42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/
Christians believe God will make available the Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who seek Him.
Christians believe God seeks out those who seek Him, for He has said so.
Christians believe every man must choose Life or Death:
Job 27:6 "I will cling to my righteousness and never let it go. My conscience will not accuse me as long as I live!"
Romans 2:15: "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"
2nd Corinthians 4:2 "But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."
The Bible teaches only one path to God:
John 14:6: Jesus Christ dogmatically stated: “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” The only way to have a relationship with God the Father is through Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:12: The apostle Peter, speaking of Jesus Christ, proclaimed, “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
We cannot be saved unless we accept and believe in Jesus Christ and what He did for each of us.
Even the most famous Bible verse in Christianity while proclaiming God’s love and desire to save people adds the caveat that they must “believe in Him” to have everlasting life:
John 3:16: “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
John 3:36: “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
1 Timothy 2:5: “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.”
1 John 5:12: “He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.”
God has declared that all who seek Him will be rewarded by Him:
2 Chronicles 26:5 "And he set himself to seek God in the days of Zechariah, who had understanding in the vision of God: and as long as he sought Jehovah, God made him to prosper."
Job 5:8 "As for me, I would seek God and inquire of and require Him, and to God would I commit my cause -- "
Psalm 14:2 "The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God."
Psalm 10:4 "With bald-faced pride the wicked will not seek God. There is no God in any of his thoughts."
What did Jesus say in Matthew 25:31-46? The Judgment:
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
37 Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
38 And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
40 The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’
41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’
44 Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not (e)take care of You?’
45 Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Jesus told The Parable Of The Weeds
Matthew 13:40-42:
40 "So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense (persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin) and all who do iniquity and act wickedly,
42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Third... Of course Muslims believe Jews are condemned to hell... So do Christians...
Third... Of course Muslims believe Jews are condemned to hell... So do Christians...
Jun 27, 2020 20:02:48 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
You sure you want to go on??
Chuckle... Not really... But I find it interestingly hypocritical when Christians make the claim that Muslims believe the Jews are destined for hell
And then try to defend Christianity by saying that Jews can convert.... As though no Jew ever converted to Islam
Jun 27, 2020 21:27:20 #
Zemirah wrote:
The synagogue of Satan is mentioned twice in Revel... (show quote)
The pharisees of Christ's time were mostly Edomites; of Essau's blood line, who had obliterated their Hebrew bloodline with Canaanites. The Synagogue of Satan hated Christ.
Jun 27, 2020 22:53:51 #
I have in my library a really interesting book written in 1983, by a Jewish Californian convert to Islam.
It is titled "The Hadj: An American's Pilgrimage to Mecca," by Michael Wolfe.
He cheerfully captures and perfectly reveals the occultic spiritual darkness of the oppressive religion, and reveals the horror of the oblivious blindness in which he and his co-worshipers are subjecting themselves to ancient, trance-inducing, mind-altering quar'anic chants and robotic footwork.
He very seriously relates how frantically he and his companions try to reach and kiss the sacred Al-Ḥajar al-Aswad, the "Black Stone," a Muslim relic meteorite, in the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient sacred stone building towards which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
Michael Wolfe naively explains if unable to reach and kiss or at least touch the stone (due to the crush of the vast crowd around them), which Muslims believe will absorb their sins (a substitute cold dead stone for Christ), they must wave to it.
They are to wave to a stone!
That is gross idolatry, and it is pitiful that one and a half billion people have pinned their hopes of achieving Paradise on a once in a lifetime pilgrimage, i.e., "Hadj" to Mecca, to attempt to embrace a black stone, believing it will absorb their sins.
Please don't try to tell me that isn't what they believe, because it is.
I have a book written in the 1940's by an Iraqi with the same story, and another by an Iranian convert to Christianity who wrote during the 1950s.
It is titled "The Hadj: An American's Pilgrimage to Mecca," by Michael Wolfe.
He cheerfully captures and perfectly reveals the occultic spiritual darkness of the oppressive religion, and reveals the horror of the oblivious blindness in which he and his co-worshipers are subjecting themselves to ancient, trance-inducing, mind-altering quar'anic chants and robotic footwork.
He very seriously relates how frantically he and his companions try to reach and kiss the sacred Al-Ḥajar al-Aswad, the "Black Stone," a Muslim relic meteorite, in the eastern cornerstone of the Kaaba, the ancient sacred stone building towards which Muslims pray, in the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
Michael Wolfe naively explains if unable to reach and kiss or at least touch the stone (due to the crush of the vast crowd around them), which Muslims believe will absorb their sins (a substitute cold dead stone for Christ), they must wave to it.
They are to wave to a stone!
That is gross idolatry, and it is pitiful that one and a half billion people have pinned their hopes of achieving Paradise on a once in a lifetime pilgrimage, i.e., "Hadj" to Mecca, to attempt to embrace a black stone, believing it will absorb their sins.
Please don't try to tell me that isn't what they believe, because it is.
I have a book written in the 1940's by an Iraqi with the same story, and another by an Iranian convert to Christianity who wrote during the 1950s.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Chuckle... Not really... But I find it interesti... (show quote)
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