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So...How Many Will Show up at Trump's First Rally?
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Jun 14, 2020 19:56:03   #
Big Kahuna
 
eden wrote:
Now who was it that suggested you shouldn’t say something you were not prepared to print on a T-Shirt and wear in public?

(I would pay money to see that.)


I'm sure you would pay good money to see 2 lesbo's going at it in some smoke filled, drug infested New Orleans tranny bar.

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Jun 14, 2020 20:11:50   #
Larry Joe
 
eden wrote:
Maybe you missed the message but right now a majority of voters would vote for Joe Bidens corpse-in-a-coffin before the red hatted bronzed pork roast posing as our current prez.


So America is highly in favor of doing away with Democracy in favor of Socialism? That is what your two choices are this November. Stop the two-man comparisons and understand the drastic different philosophies of government they represent. I am well aware that Democrats want to focus solely on Trump and not on what they want to do to, for, the country. Free medical care, free college education, free child care, repeal tax rates while increasing taxes on everyone, cut military readiness, defund law enforcement, re-instate major red tape to better control industry, implement the new Green Deal and move closer to Globalism at expense of the American workers and the American economy.

With all it’s faults, the United States is still the greatest nation on the face of the Earth, so you may want to hope “the red hatted bronzed pork roast posing as our current pres” is re-elected.
Larry Joe

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Jun 14, 2020 20:21:40   #
hdjimv Loc: South Dakota
 
eden wrote:
Self cancelling myopic right wing reactive hate speech and conspiratorial drivel but one question? No doubt with your utopian self reliant lifestyle you will gracefully decline such leftist socialist nonsense like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, in your dotage?


Oh! You mean those things I and every other employed person has been paying into all of our working lives, that your liberal "leaders" refer to as entitlements? Those socialist nonsensical things?

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Jun 14, 2020 20:43:30   #
Larry Joe
 
eden wrote:
You are welcome to your conservative thought and religion.
Obama did himself no favors with his “guns and bibles” elitist put down as did Hillary with her “deplorable” snidery. The problem of ignoring the other half of the electorate that isn’t going to vote for you is that left unacknowledged they will strengthen and retaliate in kind and the divide will worsen.

Regardless of who wins the upcoming election both sides better have a “Marshall Plan” for the vanquished. At the end of WW2
this approach saw the rebuilding of Japan and Germany to mutual advantage. We are after all one world. This applies in a national model too. We may never agree, but we can agree to live and let live which will mean listening and learning to respect our differences.
Eternal and undying animus does not bode well for the country or the world.
You are welcome to your conservative thought and r... (show quote)


A very good post for all of us.
Larry Joe

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Jun 14, 2020 22:51:27   #
CodyCoonhound Loc: Redbone Country
 
Larry Joe wrote:
So America is highly in favor of doing away with Democracy in favor of Socialism? That is what your two choices are this November. Stop the two-man comparisons and understand the drastic different philosophies of government they represent. I am well aware that Democrats want to focus solely on Trump and not on what they want to do to, for, the country. Free medical care, free college education, free child care, repeal tax rates while increasing taxes on everyone, cut military readiness, defund law enforcement, re-instate major red tape to better control industry, implement the new Green Deal and move closer to Globalism at expense of the American workers and the American economy.

With all it’s faults, the United States is still the greatest nation on the face of the Earth, so you may want to hope “the red hatted bronzed pork roast posing as our current pres” is re-elected.
Larry Joe
So America is highly in favor of doing away with D... (show quote)

Larry, I am posting a Zogby poll done the same time Eden refers to Biden in a landslide. The difference is Zogby spells out likely voters by race -region etc. Also get an even representation of dem and republican voters. Not the lop sided 40 for dems and 20 for republicans that say Biden will win.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/majority-agree-trump-will-beat-biden-51-43

Hope everyone takes a look.

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Jun 14, 2020 23:19:44   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
In re: the waiver for the rally is meaningless if the person suing can prove negligence on the part of the event promoter. In this case, since the WHO, the CDC, and virtually every reputable health professional is recommending that it not take place without masks, distancing and PPE, the concept of negligence on the promoter's part is pretty obvious. Any decent civil litigation attorney would make mincemeat out of any waiver, since the negligence is obvious and blatant. Look for a rash of COVID-19 cases stemming from this event in about 10-14 days. Lawsuits to follow thereafter.

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Jun 14, 2020 23:22:32   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Never work. You don’t know much about the Law. As long as you are warned and sign you understand you’d have a hell of a time winning a case if you got sick.
whitnebrat wrote:
In re: the waiver for the rally is meaningless if the person suing can prove negligence on the part of the event promoter. In this case, since the WHO, the CDC, and virtually every reputable health professional is recommending that it not take place without masks, distancing and PPE, the concept of negligence on the promoter's part is pretty obvious. Any decent civil litigation attorney would make mincemeat out of any waiver, since the negligence is obvious and blatant. Look for a rash of COVID-19 cases stemming from this event in about 10-14 days. Lawsuits to follow thereafter.
In re: the waiver for the rally is meaningless if ... (show quote)

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Jun 14, 2020 23:25:58   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
JFlorio wrote:
Never work. You don’t know much about the Law. As long as you are warned and sign you understand you’d have a hell of a time winning a case if you got sick.


Sorry, bub ... been there, done that. A business that I ran years ago would have required a hold-harmless agreement with our vendors, but we were told that it was purely a bluff and that if there were a shred of negligence on our part, we would be liable for damages. Cut and dried.

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Jun 14, 2020 23:26:23   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
whitnebrat wrote:
In re: the waiver for the rally is meaningless if the person suing can prove negligence on the part of the event promoter. In this case, since the WHO, the CDC, and virtually every reputable health professional is recommending that it not take place without masks, distancing and PPE, the concept of negligence on the promoter's part is pretty obvious. Any decent civil litigation attorney would make mincemeat out of any waiver, since the negligence is obvious and blatant. Look for a rash of COVID-19 cases stemming from this event in about 10-14 days. Lawsuits to follow thereafter.
In re: the waiver for the rally is meaningless if ... (show quote)


Metropolitan Park in J'ville is pretty big and outside.

I went to see Three Dog Night and The Beach Boys there years ago and about 125,000 people were there.

I don't remember it being crowded except around the stage, naturally.

It'd work.

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Jun 14, 2020 23:30:48   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
plain logic wrote:
Well there big mike, it'll be standing room only as usual..


300,000+ have signed up.

It would have to be outdoors.


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Jun 14, 2020 23:32:38   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Sorry, bub ... been there, done that. A business that I ran years ago would have required a hold-harmless agreement with our vendors, but we were told that it was purely a bluff and that if there were a shred of negligence on our part, we would be liable for damages. Cut and dried.

The negligence would be on the attendee for knowingly putting themselves in potential harms way. Under your example no place would be safe from frivolous lawsuits. In the case of a rally there is no proof of negligence since the origin of the harm could never be proven. I know plenty who have gone into hospitals and caught an infection while there and could not successfully sue the hospital.

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Jun 14, 2020 23:42:45   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
eden wrote:
Self cancelling myopic right wing reactive hate speech and conspiratorial drivel but one question? No doubt with your utopian self reliant lifestyle you will gracefully decline such leftist socialist nonsense like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, in your dotage?


I'm hearing a half-million or more have signed up for Trump's Oklahoma Rally.

I love all this sophistry (I kinda worked my way back through it) because it's such a highbrow way of whistling through the cemetery.

The Dem leadership has about a thousand years of collective governing and look at the frelling MESS these predominantly blue areas have become!

How will folks there respond after their leaders invited in all this mayhem?


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Jun 14, 2020 23:49:47   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
CodyCoonhound wrote:
Larry, I am posting a Zogby poll done the same time Eden refers to Biden in a landslide. The difference is Zogby spells out likely voters by race -region etc. Also get an even representation of dem and republican voters. Not the lop sided 40 for dems and 20 for republicans that say Biden will win.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/majority-agree-trump-will-beat-biden-51-43

Hope everyone takes a look.


Eden is on some good sht! 😎

These polls are fun in a way but they'll change.

Styxhexenhammer666 does superb aggregate poll analysis.

Trump probably has people listening to him.

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Jun 15, 2020 00:12:22   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
JFlorio wrote:
The negligence would be on the attendee for knowingly putting themselves in potential harms way. Under your example no place would be safe from frivolous lawsuits. In the case of a rally there is no proof of negligence since the origin of the harm could never be proven. I know plenty who have gone into hospitals and caught an infection while there and could not successfully sue the hospital.


Hospitals usually can prove that their measures to combat infection are at least there and in place. In a rally, if the promoter (the RNC) has stated that there should be no masks, no social distancing, and no PPE, which directly opposes the advice of almost all medical professionals in epidemiology, that is ample evidence of negligence in putting those rules in place. The waiver won't help them in this case.
BTW, in the case of medical mistakes, the doctors can be sued, which is why malpractice insurance is a required business expense for them.

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Jun 15, 2020 00:49:31   #
eden
 
JFlorio wrote:
Never work. You don’t know much about the Law. As long as you are warned and sign you understand you’d have a hell of a time winning a case if you got sick.


My eldest daughter is an attorney. She says the previous poster is correct. Waivers are only a flimsy psychological deterrent. They simply don’t hold up in court.

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