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Jun 13, 2020 08:55:49   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
My oh my how you must long for the good old days? Because these leaders of the confederacy had manners excuses their actions? I'm pretty sure I didn't compare them to Nazis. I believe I said because they led an insurrection against the US govt, they would be considered traitors if they did that today. Boy you sound out of your mind. Confederate flag & all. Try reading the Constitution and maybe practice what you preach.


The Constitution says; The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Constitution gives limited powers to the national government, and reserves the remaining power of government to the independent, sovereign states of the Union!

Perhaps you were speaking of the Declaration of Independence or should’ve been speaking of it? A more defined stumbling-block to tyranny and oppression.” It continues to inspire people around the world to fight for freedom and equality, BTW~~

The Declaration of Independence included these three major ideas: People have certain Inalienable Rights including Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. All Men are created equal. Individuals have a civic duty to defend these rights for themselves and others... You may wish to read it~~

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Jun 13, 2020 08:58:01   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
We need a monument for those that wanted to continue slavery? Is that what you believe, that one person should be allowed to own another?


There you go again putting words in people’s posts that are not said...I’m beginning to believe it’s a comprehension issue.

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Jun 13, 2020 09:10:34   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
lindajoy wrote:
That is not what B said at all.. Re~read the post~~


I read his post. What I said was that if any active duty officers today led a group wishing to succeed from the US, they would be called traitors. I'm pretty sure he had to take an oath. Guess that doesn't count? Some on this board call those that vote Democrat traitors. Robert Lee refused to accept racial equality for African Americans. And you and others think we have statues for him? What as reminder to racial inequality?

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Jun 13, 2020 10:07:02   #
Seth
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Ah yes, we'll just chalk them off as righteous kills


Good thinking!

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Jun 13, 2020 10:13:57   #
Seth
 
lindajoy wrote:
Sounds like BS to me! Totems to slavery???


Better, we take these "progressives" and totem out of the country.

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Jun 13, 2020 10:15:59   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
I read his post. What I said was that if any active duty officers today led a group wishing to succeed from the US, they would be called traitors. I'm pretty sure he had to take an oath. Guess that doesn't count? Some on this board call those that vote Democrat traitors. Robert Lee refused to accept racial equality for African Americans. And you and others think we have statues for him? What as reminder to racial inequality?


Now you twist the entire post!!
Here is exactly what was said and you did not say what you now claim~~Unless of course you used invisible ink~~You spoke only of slavery... Once again there you go grouping me in with others insinuating what my position is relative to Lee..Speak when you know what you speak of...When you don’t it is best to keep your fingers off the keyboard especially relative to what my position is on anything, as you know nothing...
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Barracuda2020 wrote:
The Dublin slave market, was from many indentured Irish servants working off their debt, during the Mid-Atlantic slave trade most were brought over from the British, though I am sure some Irish aristocrats had gotten involved also, but lets face it, Britain has been a world power for many,many Centuries with many lords and aristocrats, where as Ireland has for the most part has been controlled by Britain and made up of farmers and laborers, few whom owned black slaves, if any, doubtful.

How much better their lives were, going to the English for freedom, seriously, I guess you think they'd be better off still as slaves?

Tiptop replied~~
This has to be one of the dumbest comments. "They'd be better of as slaves"? What fairy tales have you been reading or maybe you're smoking something? You must think life as a slave was milk & honey? If slavery is so great, why doesn't anyone wish to become a slave? The majority of slaves in America came from Africa not England.

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Jun 13, 2020 10:18:16   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Seth wrote:
Better, we take these "progressives" and totem out of the country.


Lolol, Absolutely and that’s very good too I might add.

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Jun 13, 2020 10:37:01   #
Seth
 
lindajoy wrote:
Lolol, Absolutely and that’s very good too I might add.



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Jun 13, 2020 11:15:57   #
Mutton Dressed As Lamb
 
Simple Sam wrote:
To get "justice" for a career criminal, there is a demand to remove the history of Southern gentlemen and ladies who fought for the Confederacy. These people who are seeking justice say white people should apologize for white privilege, for white freedom.

In the Revolutionary war, about 1,000 blacks fought for our new nation. In contrast, more than 20,000 blacks took up arms to fight with the British against the Colonists. Many of these blacks were freed blacks, in other words not escaped slaves. Let that sink in.....at the birth of our nation, blacks fought with our enemy against Americans!

War after war, the blood spilled to preserve our freedom has been the blood of white men. Most of these men and women come from the South. It is not the poor who is uneducated or unemployable. Only 11 percent of enlisted recruits in 2007 came from the poorest one-fifth (quintile) of neighborhoods, while 25 percent came from the wealthiest quintile. These trends are even more pronounced in the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) program, in which 40 percent of enrollees come from the wealthiest neighborhoods-a number that has increased substantially over the past four years. American soldiers are more educated than their peers. A little more than 1 percent of enlisted personnel lack a high school degree, compared to 21 percent of men 18-24 years old, and 95 percent of officer accessions have at least a bachelor's degree. Contrary to conventional wisdom, minorities are not overrepresented in military service. Enlisted troops are more likely to be white. Further, new recruits are also disproportionately likely to come from the South, which is in line with the history of Southern military tradition.

As blacks demand their Constitutional rights, those "rights" were bought with white man's blood because your ancestors fought against the birth of America. As you destroy monuments to Southern generals and heroes, keep in mind....it is those blood lines that go without fail to war after war to fight for freedoms around the world. If we were invaded today, it will be the Southern white who will fight for all Americans while the vast majority of Yankees will hunker down with their black buddies until the war is over or they will fight for our enemies. History repeats.
To get "justice" for a career criminal, ... (show quote)


If we ever go to war again, it will not be a Red Dawn scenario, so that will be a hard question to answer. As for the freed blacks who joined up with the British, I could hardly blame them for taking up arms against their former oppressors. In like fashion, can you blame German Jewish refugees coming to the USA during the 1930s from joining our armed forces to get revenge on the country of their birth. I had one such person as a neighbor. He left Germany as a teen in the mid 1930s. When war broke out, he joined the US army air corps and volunteered to be a ball turret gunner on a bomber; one of the most dangerous places to be during ww2. When asked why, he talked how he was tormented in school by classmates and teachers alike for his Jewishness. He saw this as a possible opportunity to unload his 50 cal Browning machine gun on a school full of "Aryan" German children, maybe even some of his former classmates

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Jun 13, 2020 11:59:31   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
On a ship captained by you. Of course you would fail (again) on your mission.


Says a simple-minded jerk. I doubt you could navigate your way out of a river.

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Jun 13, 2020 12:53:41   #
bestpal38 Loc: Cedar City, Utah
 
Kevyn wrote:
Give it a rest your “blood line” is one of racists, losers and traitors and it is long past time for you to own those facts and move on.


What is it like to be a black man in America Kev?? And why do you have a white mans picture on your profile? Am I missing something here? Is it only certain whites that get this privelege I keep hearing about? I'm not sure I have any of that privelege, but maybe I do!!

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Jun 13, 2020 12:57:43   #
bestpal38 Loc: Cedar City, Utah
 
Simple Sam wrote:
I would not limit this to black looters, those white asses who are burning, looting, killing need to be stripped of their citizenship and provided a ticket to a destination of their choice providing that nation will take them.


Have to agree with you there. Anyone burning and looting should be prosecuted, regardless of color (Or political affiliation)

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Jun 13, 2020 13:04:12   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
Mutton Dressed As Lamb wrote:
If we ever go to war again, it will not be a Red Dawn scenario, so that will be a hard question to answer. As for the freed blacks who joined up with the British, I could hardly blame them for taking up arms against their former oppressors. In like fashion, can you blame German Jewish refugees coming to the USA during the 1930s from joining our armed forces to get revenge on the country of their birth. I had one such person as a neighbor. He left Germany as a teen in the mid 1930s. When war broke out, he joined the US army air corps and volunteered to be a ball turret gunner on a bomber; one of the most dangerous places to be during ww2. When asked why, he talked how he was tormented in school by classmates and teachers alike for his Jewishness. He saw this as a possible opportunity to unload his 50 cal Browning machine gun on a school full of "Aryan" German children, maybe even some of his former classmates
If we ever go to war again, it will not be a Red D... (show quote)


Okay, so let's consider your comment. I believe you are wrong. We have already been invaded. Obama opened the door and gave them shelter. Recall Aesop's Fables of the woman and the snake. No one will need to fight off hoards of Chinese, muslim, or Russians. The invaders are here, buying up property and sowing their seeds. And those seeds fall on Fertile Ground of the ignorant, the intellectually stunted, and the drugged out poor.

Now for the black taking up arms against patriots. One has to ask the question, had they not joined with our enemy would slavery survived? I think not as most Americans were already going in the right direction of freeing all the slaves and making them part of society. As an example, Alexander Hamilton spoke often of freeing the slave, be they black or white. And he was a fine orator, "the slaves wanted to fight for their freedom." He and John Laurens wanted to give them that chance and create several battalions of Negroes who would fight with the Patriots in exchange for their freedom. They warned the Patriots that if they didn’t offer the slaves their freedom, Britain would. Had he succeeded, slavery would have ended without even a mummer from the south. Can you enslave an American who was willing to give the last sacrifice for the sake of birthing (para phased) our new nation?

Let us not confuse WWII with our nation's birth. 155 years separate the two. The circumstances were completely different. But, I can certainly go into that history in a different thread if you so desire.

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Jun 13, 2020 13:26:52   #
Tug484
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
They're no way you can know the education level of those protesting.


A lot looked like drop outs.
I'm talking about not knowing the statue they tore down of someone that fought slavery.

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Jun 13, 2020 13:28:10   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
lindajoy wrote:
The Constitution says; The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Constitution gives limited powers to the national government, and reserves the remaining power of government to the independent, sovereign states of the Union!

Perhaps you were speaking of the Declaration of Independence or should’ve been speaking of it? A more defined stumbling-block to tyranny and oppression.” It continues to inspire people around the world to fight for freedom and equality, BTW~~

The Declaration of Independence included these three major ideas: People have certain Inalienable Rights including Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. All Men are created equal. Individuals have a civic duty to defend these rights for themselves and others... You may wish to read it~~
The Constitution says; The Second Amendment of the... (show quote)


All men created equal, how does that work with your heros like Robert Lee or the other southern gentlemen? Well armed militia doesn't mean every Yahoo gets to arm themselves with automatic weapons. As far as states controlling rioting & protests, I'm confident the governors can strike a balance between expressions of freedom to protest & rioting. Yes, the total cost will be in the millions because an out of control cop killed unnecessarily. What ever crime that man committed wasn't worth the price paid today. Of course as you said, had he not committed a crime, he would still be alive. The 8th amendment to the Constitution states cruel & unnecessary punishment shall not be inflicted. Unless of course you feel this was neither cruel or unnecessary? Btw, what does your civic duty look like, shooting protesters?

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