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Jun 7, 2020 16:26:54   #
Seth
 
zombinis3 wrote:
Never said that crime was not area caused. People will do what they need to do to survive like you mentioned the blacks did the small crimes which leads to the needs of survival. While the white criminals did it for greed.If the same blacks were able to survive with a decent job,do you think that they would do the small crimes? Unfortunately this sounds like I'm talking about the unfair treatment that blacks get from some.


Not necessarily about survival, per se: among those (most of them) we caught, the majority weren't motivated by a grocery list or rent coming due -- they were stealing for crystal meth or crack money.

Reno had no EOE problems -- there were plenty of blacks working in the casinos in good paying positions, in fact when I was a security shift supervisor, my lead investigator was a black woman I had promoted to the position myself.

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Jun 7, 2020 18:25:37   #
WEBCO
 
Kevyn wrote:
Proportional to population the police abuse, stop, ticket, arrest assault and murder blacks and non whites at a significantly greater proportion than whites.


Proportional to the percentage of the population. At what rate do black people commit crimes. It is also disproportionate.

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Jun 7, 2020 19:36:20   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
American Vet wrote:
I would wager that the ‘small crimes’ you mention involve drugs - hardly a survival need.


It was not me who brought the small crimes up it was the response before mine. As far as blacks being the most involved in drugs, I'm going to the FBI CRIME data chart in 2017 according to drug abuse violation ;
White 70.4
Black 27.1
FBI CRIME data chart in 2018 according to the drug abuse violation;
White 70.6
Black 27.0
So the small crime that were mentioned didn't even include drugs it was small crimes like stealing purses. Now what was done with the proceeds we are never going to know.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

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Jun 7, 2020 19:58:42   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
Seth wrote:
Not necessarily about survival, per se: among those (most of them) we caught, the majority weren't motivated by a grocery list or rent coming due -- they were stealing for crystal meth or crack money.

Reno had no EOE problems -- there were plenty of blacks working in the casinos in good paying positions, in fact when I was a security shift supervisor, my lead investigator was a black woman I had promoted to the position myself.


Like I said earlier the location and motivation of the people committing the crimes are a constant. It could cover almost anything just like you mentioned.
If small crimes in your location were for drugs other location it could be for the grocery list or drugs. People shouldn't be painted with the same brush, example when it said that all people who support Trump are racists. A percentage maybe but the rest may not. There were three types of voters voting in that election the only Trumpers, anyone but Hillary and those who wanted change. Crimes committed can be for survival. If you are so hooked on drugs that you can't live without your next hit it can considered survival.

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Jun 7, 2020 20:29:39   #
American Vet
 
zombinis3 wrote:
It was not me who brought the small crimes up it was the response before mine. As far as blacks being the most involved in drugs, I'm going to the FBI CRIME data chart in 2017 according to drug abuse violation ;
White 70.4
Black 27.1
FBI CRIME data chart in 2018 according to the drug abuse violation;
White 70.6
Black 27.0
So the small crime that were mentioned didn't even include drugs it was small crimes like stealing purses. Now what was done with the proceeds we are never going to know.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43
It was not me who brought the small crimes up it w... (show quote)


True, we won’t know for certain. Thus I said ‘I’ll wager’.

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Jun 7, 2020 20:30:41   #
American Vet
 
zombinis3 wrote:
Like I said earlier the location and motivation of the people committing the crimes are a constant. It could cover almost anything just like you mentioned.
If small crimes in your location were for drugs other location it could be for the grocery list or drugs. People shouldn't be painted with the same brush, example when it said that all people who support Trump are racists. A percentage maybe but the rest may not. There were three types of voters voting in that election the only Trumpers, anyone but Hillary and those who wanted change. Crimes committed can be for survival. If you are so hooked on drugs that you can't live without your next hit it can considered survival.
Like I said earlier the location and motivation of... (show quote)


Sorry, I disagree with your last comment regarding drugs and survival.

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Jun 7, 2020 21:02:54   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
American Vet wrote:
Sorry, I disagree with your last comment regarding drugs and survival.


That's the beauty of this country or rather it was the beauty of this country.
People can disagree , it not so much now to many people are saying listen to me for I am right.

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Jun 7, 2020 22:12:23   #
Seth
 
zombinis3 wrote:
Like I said earlier the location and motivation of the people committing the crimes are a constant. It could cover almost anything just like you mentioned.
If small crimes in your location were for drugs other location it could be for the grocery list or drugs. People shouldn't be painted with the same brush, example when it said that all people who support Trump are racists. A percentage maybe but the rest may not. There were three types of voters voting in that election the only Trumpers, anyone but Hillary and those who wanted change. Crimes committed can be for survival. If you are so hooked on drugs that you can't live without your next hit it can considered survival.
Like I said earlier the location and motivation of... (show quote)


While you seem to be "understanding" where drug addicted criminals are concerned, I am not. Most of them come from environments in which they've seen first hand what happens when you mess with these drugs, be it crack, heroin, meth, whatever, and without anybody twisting their arms, they try them anyway and continue to use them until they are addicted.

I have no problem with any moron who wants to destroy his or her life via drug or alcohol addiction -- I do have a major problem with those who victimize others they don't even know in order to feed their habits, making these Innocents co-dependents of habits they aren't stupid enough to have acquired.

These addicts introduce tragedy of various kinds into the lives of people who have absolutely nothing to do with them or their habits.

Democrats are always screaming about justice and claiming victimhood for these very real victimizers while completely ignoring the damage they perpetrate on their very real victims, who almost never get any justice.

In short, I look at sympathizing for the druggies in question while devoting what amounts to zero time to their victims, a trait of liberal Democrats going back decades, as profoundly convoluted.

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Jun 10, 2020 07:49:09   #
zombinis3 Loc: Southwest
 
Seth wrote:
While you seem to be "understanding" where drug addicted criminals are concerned, I am not. Most of them come from environments in which they've seen first hand what happens when you mess with these drugs, be it crack, heroin, meth, whatever, and without anybody twisting their arms, they try them anyway and continue to use them until they are addicted.

I have no problem with any moron who wants to destroy his or her life via drug or alcohol addiction -- I do have a major problem with those who victimize others they don't even know in order to feed their habits, making these Innocents co-dependents of habits they aren't stupid enough to have acquired.

These addicts introduce tragedy of various kinds into the lives of people who have absolutely nothing to do with them or their habits.

Democrats are always screaming about justice and claiming victimhood for these very real victimizers while completely ignoring the damage they perpetrate on their very real victims, who almost never get any justice.

In short, I look at sympathizing for the druggies in question while devoting what amounts to zero time to their victims, a trait of liberal Democrats going back decades, as profoundly convoluted.
While you seem to be "understanding" whe... (show quote)


Decsions made do have their consequences, If you are in a position to decide on what happens to someone because of their decsions you should not paint everyone with the same brush. To often the color of the skin is seen before the problem is looked at. Yes people do make decsions that will lead to collateral damage that should be taken into account when the bill comes due. How often does it happen that the results given are not given equally? If you commit crimes your skin color should not be taken into account.
Is it possible that when some one knows by example where a life will lead. Was that life style chosen because of free choice or was it caused because of the treatment of the skin color? Example a person is put into jail because he/she committed a crime that it didn't merit jail time. That time spent is now on their record. At the present there are a lot of single parent families but people need social contact. That same person is met they appear ok, he/she treats everyone with respect but because of earlier record of jail time they can't get a job. What does the young one see?

Yes people do make the decsion to use on their own because the effects are there it allows for a suspended life where things don't matter , or sell because the quick money is a hell of a lure.

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Jun 10, 2020 12:18:37   #
Seth
 
zombinis3 wrote:
Decsions made do have their consequences, If you are in a position to decide on what happens to someone because of their decsions you should not paint everyone with the same brush. To often the color of the skin is seen before the problem is looked at. Yes people do make decsions that will lead to collateral damage that should be taken into account when the bill comes due. How often does it happen that the results given are not given equally? If you commit crimes your skin color should not be taken into account.
Is it possible that when some one knows by example where a life will lead. Was that life style chosen because of free choice or was it caused because of the treatment of the skin color? Example a person is put into jail because he/she committed a crime that it didn't merit jail time. That time spent is now on their record. At the present there are a lot of single parent families but people need social contact. That same person is met they appear ok, he/she treats everyone with respect but because of earlier record of jail time they can't get a job. What does the young one see?

Yes people do make the decsion to use on their own because the effects are there it allows for a suspended life where things don't matter , or sell because the quick money is a hell of a lure.
Decsions made do have their consequences, If you ... (show quote)


Not that you'd acknowledge even if you noticed, but since Trump became our president, he has worked hard for and made great strides into prison reform, he has begun programs to bring more businesses and jobs to poor black communities and allocated more federal subsidies to black universities. This is all stuff Obama never cared about - for him it was just lip service based on race politics intended to keep the black vote while getting it on the cheap.

That said, personal choices count no matter what color you are or what economic background you come from. I know plenty of blacks who grew up in "disadvantaged" circumstances and, rather than waste their lives doing drugs or taking the criminal route to obtain money, took responsibility for themselves, studied, worked hard and to this day live normally and independently of taxpayer largesse.

Unfortunately, too many young blacks drink the Democrat Kool-Aid® and end up permanent wards of the government, alternating between the public dole and prison unless they're killed early by street violence or drugs.

I see it all the time when I go into Santa Monica or downtown L.A., scores of young black men sitting around during prime daytime hours smoking dope and blasting rap music instead of being out looking for work. I'd be willing to bet that 9 in 10 of them collects some form of relief and probably food stamps as well.

The tired story that because most of them probably have criminal records and therefore can't get work is B.S.; I have chatted with homeless men in the L.A. area who manage to find labor jobs every day, some paying well above the minimum wage, and none of these casual labor jobs comes with the hiree's background as an issue. Two such homeless men were black.

The problem is that the Democrats, needing the black vote, believe that the best way to retain it is to throw as many obstacles to independence and success in front of the blacks as they can, then blame "racism" and "white privilege" while lyingly assuring them that "we're the only ones who empathize with you and the only ones who have your back."

It's utterly despicable that a political party is so bloodless and soulless that it can knowingly keep nearly an entire race living in tragic circumstances by lying to them purely to achieve political power.

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Jun 10, 2020 12:20:58   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Seth wrote:
Not that you'd acknowledge even if you noticed, but since Trump became our president, he has worked hard for and made great strides into prison reform, he has begun programs to bring more businesses and jobs to poor black communities and allocated more federal subsidies to black universities. This is all stuff Obama never cared about - for him it was just lip service based on race politics intended to keep the black vote while getting it on the cheap.

That said, personal choices count no matter what color you are or what economic background you come from. I know plenty of blacks who grew up in "disadvantaged" circumstances and, rather than waste their lives doing drugs or taking the criminal route to obtain money, took responsibility for themselves, studied, worked hard and to this day live normally and independently of taxpayer largesse.

Unfortunately, too many young blacks drink the Democrat Kool-Aid® and end up permanent wards of the government, alternating between the public dole and prison unless they're killed early by street violence or drugs.

I see it all the time when I go into Santa Monica or downtown L.A., scores of young black men sitting around during prime daytime hours smoking dope and blasting rap music instead of being out looking for work. I'd be willing to bet that 9 in 10 of them collects some form of relief and probably food stamps as well.

The tired story that because most of them probably have criminal records and therefore can't get we work is B.S.; I have chatted with homeless men in the L.A. area who manage to to find labor jobs every day, some paying well above the minimum wage, and none of these casual labor jobs comes with the hiree's background as an issue. Two such homeless men were black.

The problem is that the Democrats, needing the black vote, believe that the best way to retain it is to throw as many obstacles to independence and success in front of the blacks as they can, then blame "racism" and "white privilege" while lyingly assuring them that "we're the only ones who empathize with you and the only ones who have your back."

It's utterly despicable that a political party is so bloodless and soulless that it can knowingly keep nearly an entire race living in tragic circumstances by lying to them purely to achieve political power.
Not that you'd acknowledge even if you noticed, bu... (show quote)




Seth, do you or yours have a single idea to go with your criticism??



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Jun 10, 2020 12:36:48   #
Seth
 
permafrost wrote:
Seth, do you or yours have a single idea to go with your criticism??


Absolutely.

The Democrats should stop trying to undermine our Constitutional republic and present themselves more forthrightly, stop trying to lie, cheat and claw their way to power on the backs of Americans, cut out their corrupt practices and at least try to act like they have some iota of respect for this great country.

Is that idea enough for you?

BTW, I'm stealing that meme.

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Jun 10, 2020 13:50:09   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Seth wrote:
Absolutely.

The Democrats should stop trying to undermine our Constitutional republic and present themselves more forthrightly, stop trying to lie, cheat and claw their way to power on the backs of Americans, cut out their corrupt practices and at least try to act like they have some iota of respect for this great country.

Is that idea enough for you?

BTW, I'm stealing that meme.



You have good taste in Memes...

Again, you express you opinion but give no example... who knows, maybe if you present something, I would end up agreeing with you..

I am not so extreme that I never see any good in another point of view..



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Jun 10, 2020 15:04:29   #
American Vet
 
permafrost wrote:
You have good taste in Memes...

Again, you express you opinion but give no example... who knows, maybe if you present something, I would end up agreeing with you..

I am not so extreme that I never see any good in another point of view..


Troll alert

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Jun 10, 2020 18:44:06   #
Seth
 
permafrost wrote:
You have good taste in Memes...

Again, you express you opinion but give no example... who knows, maybe if you present something, I would end up agreeing with you..

I am not so extreme that I never see any good in another point of view..


How do you feel about "modifying" the voting laws so that any number of locals don't even have to show up to vote, and a single aparatchik can simply swing by and deliver scores or even hundreds of completed ballots, actual voters unseen?

How do you feel about a "no ID required" system that allows Pedro Ruiz to show up at the polls, say his name is Joe Shmoe and vote, while the real Mr. Shmoe's last breath had actually been gasped out 16 months previously while he was enjoying a steaming, delicious bowl of German lentil soup?

How do you feel about a popular candidate from one party being overwhelmingly defeated by the other party's candidate in a district where no one ever votes for the other party, but the people who process the poll results are state appointees who belong to that other party?

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