Virginia taking Robert E. Lee's Monument Down
Jun 5, 2020 20:24:18 #
steve66613 wrote:
No treason in fighting against GOVERNMENTAL OVERREACH!
This war was not about slavery. It was about greed. I do not see Confederates as traitors.
Jun 5, 2020 20:51:17 #
Simple Sam wrote:
This war was not about slavery. It was about greed. I do not see Confederates as traitors.
After traveling around the south, a few years ago, one couldn’t help but realize that folks had grown accustomed to a “certain lifestyle” before the Civil War. Then, along comes the government and says: “You folks need to PAY A LOT MORE TAXES and slavery isn’t needed anymore because of industrialization”. What would you do if the government tells you to give up your livelihood and live a different way? Fight?
Jun 5, 2020 21:10:30 #
steve66613 wrote:
You have stepped in your own excrement on this one.
Nearly a quarter million soldiers died, on the Confederate side. That means millions of people honor their ancestors because those ancestors fought for what they believed in.....a noble, honorable thing to do. They fought for their home, their way if life and their brothers-in-arms.
Nearly a quarter million soldiers died, on the Confederate side. That means millions of people honor their ancestors because those ancestors fought for what they believed in.....a noble, honorable thing to do. They fought for their home, their way if life and their brothers-in-arms.
The flag was relinquished to become a part of the United States.
Why would you want pics of your wife’s former husband on all your walls?
Jun 5, 2020 21:13:24 #
Simple Sam wrote:
This war was not about slavery. It was about greed. I do not see Confederates as traitors.
Right! It was what they usta call , “ Northern Agression”
Jun 5, 2020 21:48:14 #
Milosia wrote:
Only the confederate ones. Robert e lee was a traitor and should have been hung.
It isn't often I have an opportunity to talk with a legal and constitutional expert such as you seem to consider yourself. Wanna make $50? Show me anywhere in the Constitution of 1861 where secession is prohibited. Show me anywhere in statutory law as it existed in 1861 where secession was prohibited. Of course, if you take me up on this, you owe ME $50 when you cannot find it. Wanna bet? Robert E Lee was considered a non-citizen when he resigned from the Army and went home to VA. Only a citizen can be charged with treason. You aren't nearly as smart as you think you are. Of course, that is a common situation among Liberals.
Jun 5, 2020 21:52:38 #
Milosia wrote:
Don’t try to mix apples and oranges here with your inflammatory rubbish.
Robert E Lee was a traitor to the a United States and should have been hung.
Why would anyone want a statue of a traitor to the United States??
Robert E Lee was a traitor to the a United States and should have been hung.
Why would anyone want a statue of a traitor to the United States??
On reading your postings, and your misinformed statements, I am reminded of the words of one of my favorite authors; If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would be twice as smart as you really are.
In 1861, secession was perfectly legal. It wasn't very smart, but it was legal. You are prating about the performance of a perfectly legal action being treason. My bet still stands. The fifty bucks you will owe me is a cheap price to pay to find out how little you really know.
Jun 5, 2020 22:15:10 #
Milosia wrote:
The flag was relinquished to become a part of the United States.
Why would you want pics of your wife’s former husband on all your walls?
Why would you want pics of your wife’s former husband on all your walls?
#1). I don’t have an ex wife,(and my wife has no ex’s), but,
#2). if I did, and any of her relatives were war heroes.....they’re likeness would be welcome on my walls!
Jun 6, 2020 08:24:35 #
America 1
Loc: South Miami
Simple Sam wrote:
I think the intent is to remove objects that bring up painful thoughts. A running away from reality. This is not the first time in history where books and attempts have been made to "rewrite" history. Should we let it happen in the USA?
No.
Jun 6, 2020 10:11:20 #
FallenOak
Loc: St George Utah
Milosia wrote:
Only the confederate ones. Robert e lee was a traitor and should have been hung.
Obviously you don't believe in states rights but in an omnipotent federal government with the power of life or death over everyone.
Jun 6, 2020 12:47:42 #
Crayons wrote:
It's not just the monuments, it's black confederate museums as well.
In TX there were some blacks that were free-men before the Civil War, owning
large acreages, cattle, cotton fields, weapons and Many served The (Confederate) Republic of TX proudly.
The marxist's hate prosperous black people...specially us redneck cowboys
In TX there were some blacks that were free-men before the Civil War, owning
large acreages, cattle, cotton fields, weapons and Many served The (Confederate) Republic of TX proudly.
The marxist's hate prosperous black people...specially us redneck cowboys
I understand the Texas Ranger being removed more than the civil war statues.
Jun 6, 2020 14:30:47 #
Simple Sam wrote:
I suppose by strict definition all Confederates committed treason.
By strict definition it was the Union that was treasonous. Secession for whatever reason was perfectly legal in 1861. I have had an ongoing bet on several forums with anyone who can show me where in The Constitution or in US statutory law as it existed in 1861 that secession was prohibited. So far I have had no takers.
Three states of the original 13, (those being NY, RI and VA) provided written reservations of a right to secede if they saw fit and were accepted as states anyway. From then on until 1861, prohibition of secession was never a condition of statehood. I did not say it was a good idea, but it was absolutely legal. As for the statement that Lee committed treason, that is crap. Lee resigned from the Union Army before he was even offered a command in the Confederate Army. His state LEGALLY exercised it's already accepted right of secession and he went with his state. The Union Army invaded VA to force them back into an alliance from which they had lawfully withdrawn. If you want to get persnickety about it, the Confederate secession had more legal justification than the American Revolution, which happened without any cloak of legality.
In short, any one who claims that secession in 1861 was an act of treason has very little education in either history or law, but like most ignorant hypocrites, imagine themselves to be on the side of the angels.
Jun 6, 2020 14:37:33 #
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
By strict definition it was the Union that was tre... (show quote)
Sorry, I should have made it clear I was using the modern-day, taught in public school definition.
Jun 6, 2020 14:55:16 #
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
By strict definition it was the Union that was tre... (show quote)
In Texas outside of San Angelo General Lee was supposed to come command at Fort Chadbourne. Texas seceded from the union before that happened, so he never did get to be put in command of the fort.
Jun 6, 2020 15:08:22 #
Jun 6, 2020 15:22:29 #
BigBadBob
Loc: Florida Panhandle
Simple Sam wrote:
In the last several years, monuments to Confederat... (show quote)
They will be burning history books next.
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