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May 31, 2020 19:36:41   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I hope they are very thorough with the investigation... Would hate to see any sloppiness....

It might just be me... But the one cop who was at the front in the video looked very uncomfortable... I feel like he knew the situation was wrong... (just a feeling)


He may have been uncomfortable because of the growing angry crowd.

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May 31, 2020 19:39:27   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
There was a link provided earlier that showed footage of the incident...

At what point did he fight?

He appeared to comply the entire time...


There are three videos...and according to witness, he was uncooperative. One has to consider ALL evidence, to include sworn statements. Please do some research on your own.

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May 31, 2020 19:42:45   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
There are three videos...and according to witness, he was uncooperative. One has to consider ALL evidence, to include sworn statements. Please do some research on your own.


I have been doing research...

The statement somehow takes precedence over reality?????

Did you watch the video?

Where was he uncooperative?

When he wouldn't stand up (hard to do when one is laying on the ground, cuffed, with a man kneeling on one's neck and another man holding one's legs...)???

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May 31, 2020 20:36:24   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I have been doing research...

The statement somehow takes precedence over reality?????

Did you watch the video?

Where was he uncooperative?

When he wouldn't stand up (hard to do when one is laying on the ground, cuffed, with a man kneeling on one's neck and another man holding one's legs...)???


I watched all three several times, without looking to find culpability.

This is the same old songs, stuck in a groove. No matter how many times people ask the same questions...the answer from me will not change unless there is NEW evidence, which is different than opinions.

In our legal system, the accusers must prove the case against the defendant. So, instead of asking where I see a failure of the law enforcement, try prosecuting your position. I have answered all questions, I have provided the officer's handbook, links to videos, diagrams....and the complaint. All of these sources support my position. To prosecute the position that the officer committed murder, evidence has to be more than preponderance of evidence. His accusers must show, he caused the death. His actions were dangerous. His actions demonstrated a depraved mind. He demonstrated lack of concern for human life.

For murder, the accuser must present evidence that is "beyond a reasonable doubt" must dispel any beliefs that the defendant did not do what he is accused of doing. This is the highest burden of proof. Criminal trials require the judge or jury to base convictions on evidence supporting guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

So, prosecute your case and I will respond...item by item. But, give evidence...not feelings or opinions based on the same tired BS...'his knee was on his throat', he was begging', he said he could not breathe, and so on. Evidence, he jumped up in down with glee when he learned Floyd died....that would be evidence of a depraved mind. Understands your assignment? Now is the time to ask for clarification.

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May 31, 2020 20:46:57   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
While all y'all argue over George Floyd 'the crackhead' diversion, There's a civil war goin on that
has been instigated by the 'home-grown-commie-leftists' and financed by the global Brussels banking crowd

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May 31, 2020 21:09:23   #
Tug484
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I guess he had what Christian call a "back slide".

I looked this up and found an interesting article on him....He must have been one strong man.."Everything from speakers to chairs, to tables, everything had to be loaded from one location to the next,” said Corey Paul, one of Floyd’s partners in ministry. Floyd volunteered to set up and tear down for ministry events on the court, sometimes lugging 30 chairs at a time, his friends said. https://religionnews.com/2020/05/29/george-floyds-ministry-friends-say-he-was-their-og-a-man-of-peace/


Anyway, if he were a Christian...he is no longer in pain nor worries. May he RIP.
I guess he had what Christian call a "back sl... (show quote)


True

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May 31, 2020 21:46:32   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Read the complaint. Links have been given several times.


Reading the complaint is a starting point any good defense lawyer can Shred just by the recitation they, meaning all officers involved, have to attest to when death is involved...

They can also be altered to justify the means of the end result... I know I’ve read enough of them over the years and sat in many a conflicting deposition bearing out the “ inconsistencies” between recitations of what went down..Or, as it was perceived by each officer involved..

I’m not saying that is what occurred here but I am saying the other part just as important is what those other police officers said independently of one another and in writing...I want to see those, all of them as well...

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May 31, 2020 21:50:17   #
GoCubs Loc: Earth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I have been doing research...

The statement somehow takes precedence over reality?????

Did you watch the video?

Where was he uncooperative?

When he wouldn't stand up (hard to do when one is laying on the ground, cuffed, with a man kneeling on one's neck and another man holding one's legs...)???


Give it up dude. You may as well be talking to a wall. Apparently, she has seen a video that the rest of us are not privy to.

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May 31, 2020 21:55:35   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I watched all three several times, without looking to find culpability.

This is the same old songs, stuck in a groove. No matter how many times people ask the same questions...the answer from me will not change unless there is NEW evidence, which is different than opinions.

In our legal system, the accusers must prove the case against the defendant. So, instead of asking where I see a failure of the law enforcement, try prosecuting your position. I have answered all questions, I have provided the officer's handbook, links to videos, diagrams....and the complaint. All of these sources support my position. To prosecute the position that the officer committed murder, evidence has to be more than preponderance of evidence. His accusers must show, he caused the death. His actions were dangerous. His actions demonstrated a depraved mind. He demonstrated lack of concern for human life.

For murder, the accuser must present evidence that is "beyond a reasonable doubt" must dispel any beliefs that the defendant did not do what he is accused of doing. This is the highest burden of proof. Criminal trials require the judge or jury to base convictions on evidence supporting guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

So, prosecute your case and I will respond...item by item. But, give evidence...not feelings or opinions based on the same tired BS...'his knee was on his throat', he was begging', he said he could not breathe, and so on. Evidence, he jumped up in down with glee when he learned Floyd died....that would be evidence of a depraved mind. Understands your assignment? Now is the time to ask for clarification.
I watched all three several times, without looking... (show quote)


If you watched it then you know that he wasn't defiant or aggressive towards the officers...

I am not certain that the officer is guilty of murder.... But he is being charged with it...

You brought up that there was a claim that the man was being uncooperative... Anyone can make a claim... Luckily there is video evidence that disproves that idea...

Understand that this thread is a discussion of what happened... Why continuously make false claims about what other members have stated?

To clarify....The officer was guilty of poor decisions and inappropriate actions that contributed to the death of a civilian... That is my opinion...

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May 31, 2020 21:57:39   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
GoCubs wrote:
Give it up dude. You may as well be talking to a wall. Apparently, she has seen a video that the rest of us are not privy to.


I dislike when my stance is falsely stated...

I am not an expert in these matters...

But the videos available and the information that has come out all appear to demonstrate that this was a failure on the part of the officers involved....

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May 31, 2020 22:16:16   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
lindajoy wrote:
Reading the complaint is a starting point any good defense lawyer can Shred just by the recitation they, meaning all officers involved, have to attest to when death is involved...

They can also be altered to justify the means of the end result... I know I’ve read enough of them over the years and sat in many a conflicting deposition bearing out the “ inconsistencies” between recitations of what went down..Or, as it was perceived by each officer involved..

I’m not saying that is what occurred here but I am saying the other part just as important is what those other police officers said independently of one another and in writing...I want to see those, all of them as well...
Reading the complaint is a starting point any good... (show quote)


There are holes all through this and I am sure Stuart London is already sorting through the sworn testimony.

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May 31, 2020 22:17:37   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
If you watched it then you know that he wasn't defiant or aggressive towards the officers...

I am not certain that the officer is guilty of murder.... But he is being charged with it...

You brought up that there was a claim that the man was being uncooperative... Anyone can make a claim... Luckily there is video evidence that disproves that idea...

Understand that this thread is a discussion of what happened... Why continuously make false claims about what other members have stated?

To clarify....The officer was guilty of poor decisions and inappropriate actions that contributed to the death of a civilian... That is my opinion...
If you watched it then you know that he wasn't def... (show quote)


As short as I can say it....eyewitness sword depositions.

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May 31, 2020 22:21:08   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Pennylynn wrote:
As short as I can say it....eyewitness sword depositions.


The eyewitness is going to stand there and claim what happened in the video didn't actually happen?

What is the difference between a sword deposition and a normal deposition? The search engine came up empty for the term...

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May 31, 2020 22:42:17   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Pennylynn wrote:
There are holes all through this and I am sure Stuart London is already sorting through the sworn testimony.


Very true!!! And that information will shed additional facts or lies as they are evaluated..

The political pressure alone is going to make sure I’s are dotted and T’s crossed for sure..

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May 31, 2020 22:46:19   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Yes really. Even the bit of autopsy said he wasn't strangled or anything like it. So Penn was right.
Right about what? Anyone who believes Chauvin's actions played no role in Floyd's death ain't firing on all cylinders.

For how long now has the "white cop vs black suspect encounter" been under the microscope? Considering the unprecedented volatility of our political and cultural environment today and past experience with encounters such as this, seems to me that police officers everywhere should, by now, understand that failing to exercise proper restraint when dealing with a compliant suspect of a different race could easily inflame the racial divide.

And, lookee what happened. This makes the Rodney King riots look like a Boy Scout jamboree.

In this case, it is especially troubling to see cops treating a man suspected of committing a non-violent white collar crime and who was apparently drunk and compliant as if he had committed armed robbery. Appears to me Chauvin and his 3 comrades aren't too bright.

We will never know now whether or not Floyd knew the bill was counterfeit.

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