You are assuming much, Penny, you have not taken an objective position in your "analysis" of what you believe happened.

Are you saying the charges against Derek Chauvin hinge on the ME's determination of physical cause of death? More succinctly, are you saying that because the ME did not find evidence of "traumatic asphyxia or strangulation", Chauvin is therefore innocent?

By what reasoning do you "think" (assume) Floyd was "possibly dying while still sitting in his car". Eyewitnesses, including the woman who made the 911 call, said Floyd appeared to be drunk when he entered the store.

An attempt to pass a counterfeit $20 bill is a petty white collar crime, that was what the 911 caller reported and that was what the police responded to. I've seen plenty of videos of this incident and when the police got hold of Floyd, he appeared befuddled and frightened, but he did not violently resist. He was unarmed and compliant and the cops quickly had him subdued and in cuffs. Regardless of a man's physical size, once he is cuffed behind his back and face down on the street, he is helpless, he ain't going anywhere. There was no need whatsoever to employ a combat restraint technique to detain him.

Here's another experiment for you, no threat to your life might I add: Find a healthy young friend, have him lie face down on the floor and secure his hands behind his back, then just stand back and ask him to get up. If he drinks, get him drunk.

During my career as a firefighter, I had many opportunities to watch police officers deal with all kinds of incidents similar to this one. Never saw the cops treat a compliant suspect in the way the Minneapolis cops treated Floyd. In some cases, when a relatively compliant suspect was verbally resisting or arguing with the police, they got a bit rough with him, but never treated him as if he was an armed and dangerous thug.

Is it possible Floyd would still be alive had the police not used a combat restraint technique to detain him? I believe he would be.

BTW: George Floyd's family has retained forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, former NYC chief medical examiner, to conduct an independent autopsy.

Basing your resolute defense of the Minneapolis cops, specifically Chauvin, on assumptions, speculation, and opinion is troubling.

You are assuming much, Penny, you have not taken an objective position in your "analysis" of what you believe happened.

Are you saying the charges against Derek Chauvin hinge on the ME's determination of physical cause of death? More succinctly, are you saying that because the ME did not find evidence of "traumatic asphyxia or strangulation", Chauvin is therefore innocent?

By what reasoning do you "think" (assume) Floyd was "possibly dying while still sitting in his car". Eyewitnesses, including the woman who made the 911 call, said Floyd appeared to be drunk when he entered the store.

An attempt to pass a counterfeit $20 bill is a petty white collar crime, that was what the 911 caller reported and that was what the police responded to. I've seen plenty of videos of this incident and when the police got hold of Floyd, he appeared befuddled and frightened, but he did not violently resist. He was unarmed and compliant and the cops quickly had him subdued and in cuffs. Regardless of a man's physical size, once he is cuffed behind his back and face down on the street, he is helpless, he ain't going anywhere. There was no need whatsoever to employ a combat restraint technique to detain him.

Here's another experiment for you, no threat to your life might I add: Find a healthy young friend, have him lie face down on the floor and secure his hands behind his back, then just stand back and ask him to get up. If he drinks, get him drunk.

During my career as a firefighter, I had many opportunities to watch police officers deal with all kinds of incidents similar to this one. Never saw the cops treat a compliant suspect in the way the Minneapolis cops treated Floyd. In some cases, when a relatively compliant suspect was verbally resisting or arguing with the police, they got a bit rough with him, but never treated him as if he was an armed and dangerous thug.

Is it possible Floyd would still be alive had the police not used a combat restraint technique to detain him? I believe he would be.

BTW: George Floyd's family has retained forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, former NYC chief medical examiner, to conduct an independent autopsy.

Basing your resolute defense of the Minneapolis cops, specifically Chauvin, on assumptions, speculation, and opinion is troubling.

Yes Eagle, I am standing up for the cops. I am not saying the city approved restraint is not ugly or should it should be used on all detainees. I am saying that he used a tool approved by the city to carry out his duties. I am also saying, based on my observations, that Floyd did not die simply from the hold or his position (belly down). I am also saying that he did not die because the knee was on his neck for 8 minutes. Unless new evidence comes to light, I believe that all four cops did their job using nonlethal tools and a prosecutor will have a tough time, in a fair trial, obtaining a conviction.

You may recall, I defended the New York cops in the Grainer case, the cops in the Michael Brown case, and the Covington High School students....while most of OPP stood on the opposite side.

Yes Eagle, I am standing up for the cops. I am not saying the city approved restraint is not ugly or should it should be used on all detainees. I am saying that he used a tool approved by the city to carry out his duties. I am also saying, based on my observations, that Floyd did not die simply from the hold or his position (belly down). I am also saying that he did not die because the knee was on his neck for 8 minutes. Unless new evidence comes to light, I believe that all four cops did their job using nonlethal tools and a prosecutor will have a tough time, in a fair trial, obtaining a conviction.

You may recall, I defended the New York cops in the Grainer case, the cops in the Michael Brown case, and the Covington High School students....while most of OPP stood on the opposite side.

I am watching live on Fox the line of National Guard in Minneapolis. They are near the wrecked precinct I think .


Black people are strutting back and forth waving camera phones in the faces of law enforcement who weren't even present during or responsible during Floyd's murder.

And there are creepy white people who look like Fringe lunatics fronting and making gestures and menacing the national guard.

What's that got to do with Floyd murder?

Why don't they just wait for the investigation!

They say hundreds of businesses were looted. Oh that's Intelligent.

All that's missing is a Prince music video of the violence.

"When Doves Cry....

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"Why do we scream at other..."

I'm sorry to say the scenes of opportunistic looting and people getting off on menacing officers is making me less sympathetic.

The first night of the looting I saw a guy in the Target, running toward the camera. He was looting and didn't have a mask on. He was stealing... A king set of SHEETs.

That's a dark joke innit?

Maybe that cop had had too much up-against-it time on the job with ungrateful felons waving "don't shoot" in front of him.

I'm not in sympathy with the murderous basterd. But the mob has furnished him with a viable court strategy for the defense.

"Look your honor. This is what can happen at any moment. Is it any wonder I cracked under pressure, ?"

all this rebellious and cusp-of-violence feeling is what fed into that. They shredded the police station. That is just making a defense attorney's job sooooo much easier.


Maybe some portion of the thug threat played In to the cop's attitude. (I would have never thot that before but after seeing people were wrecking their own cimmunity...

And that Minneapolis mayor is weak. He should have called in the natl guard the minute they saw that video. Spinning it on Trump is ridiculous.

And when the MN governor will ask for emergency disaster money for all the ruined businesses OUR tax money will pay for this glut of opportunistic zeal.

Maybe experience with thugz like these amped the cop up too much and created an overkill mentality.

People watching him, cameras made him hyper aware... Him and those other guys were getting nervous...

The whole thing is overkill.
( With respect no pun intended)