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May 29, 2020 21:24:17   #
kemmer
 
Navigator wrote:
Threatening to cut off funding unless a state changes its laws to benefit the nation by decreasing the potential for voter fraud is not extortion.

If there had been any fraud in 2016, Trump would have lost the popular vote by far more than 3,000,000 votes.

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May 29, 2020 23:11:35   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
Boy from the Bronx wrote:
You say that Trump could do whatever he wanted to do at his presidential rallies in 2016 just because it was not a public venue, because Trump paid for the auditorium himself, and because attendees were to be there for him. Did that include encouraging his supporters to attack Anti-Trump demonstrators? No, because that's incitement to riot, which is a criminal act!

I guess you approve of the way Trump said he would pay the hospital bills for any of his friends or supporters who were hurt in these riots, but not one penny for opponents who were injured in the same riots.

You say Trump has never broken the Constitution. Oh no? Well I've got news for you -- Trump IS breaking the Constitution right now, by voter intimidation! He recently sent one of his "tweets" accusing the state of Michigan of "illegally" sending mail-in voting ballots to people. Oh sure, he changed his tweets later, saying that it was not voting ballots that were being mailed, but applications for the ballots, but he continued to use the lie that the applications were illegal, and threatened to cut off government aid to Michigan unless they put a stop to it. He made a similar threat against Nevada! In other words, he's trying to blackmail two states into doing his bidding by threatening them with dire consequences. That's practically extortion! Furthermore, by promoting the idea that mail-in ballots, as well as the applications for them are illegal, he is scaring potential voters into thinking that they'll be breaking the law by sending in their ballots, which means they won't vote at all, and if they don't vote, it means less votes for Joe Biden, and more for Trump! In other words, he's engaging in voter intimidation and voter fraud in order to ensure his reelection, which is not only illegal, but unconstitutional, because it's a violation of the Fourteenth Amendment guarantee of equal protection under the law, and a violation of the Fifteenth Amendment, which gives all citizens the right to vote.

So Trump hasn't broken the Constitution, huh? Not much he hasn't!
You say that Trump could do whatever he wanted to ... (show quote)




You don't seem to understand that mail-in ballots open the door for voter fraud.
Let's say that Trump wins in Nov. The Democrats are going to scream to high heaven that there was voter fraud.
So, let's say that the other candidate wins, ( we're not sure yet that it will be Biden, it could even be Hillary, or even Michelle). THEN, the Republicans will scream to high heaven that there was voter fraud. No matter if there WAS any actual fraud, the losers are going to raise mortal hell about. The country is already divided over politics, add to that the division over the Chinese virus, THEN, 6 months later, whoever loses the election will believe without a shadow of a doubt will be VERY angry! Probably 75 million people will be mad as he!! that the winning side cheated. This is what I'm talking about

https://milnenews.com/2019/06/26/complete-list-of-attacks-on-supporters-of-president-trump/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/02/a_list_of_violent_incidents_at_donald_trump_rallies_and_events.html


The country just doesn't need that.

But you're right...I don't believe that Trump has broken the Constitution by tweeting. I never have seen any tweet that was a law.

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May 30, 2020 14:12:22   #
Wolfman888
 
Navigator wrote:
Threatening to cut off funding unless a state changes its laws to benefit the nation by decreasing the potential for voter fraud is not extortion.


There has not been voter fraud until Trump got scared and, again,

began whining about it.

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May 30, 2020 14:55:52   #
kemmer
 
maximus wrote:
You don't seem to understand that mail-in ballots open the door for voter fraud.

Vote by mail has been in effect for decades and nobody questioned it until Trump felt threatened. Now it’s all “Fraud City”!
Too many Democrats, I guess.

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May 30, 2020 15:12:28   #
Navigator
 
Wolfman888 wrote:
There has not been voter fraud until Trump got scared and, again,

began whining about it.


Do a little research into election where JFK defeated Richard Nixon for the Presidency; President Trump was a teenager at the time.

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May 30, 2020 16:12:44   #
Hadenough
 
Navigator wrote:
Do a little research into election where JFK defeated Richard Nixon for the Presidency; President Trump was a teenager at the time.


Once again President Trump is trying to fix an obvious problem that has been in existence for years. Dems/libs are of the mindset that he is trying to change things for his advantage. It shouldn’t and doesn’t need to be business as usual. That is the reason why we have so many do nothing career politicians and broken systems within the government.

KAG
God Bless the USA and President Trump

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May 30, 2020 16:13:08   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
kemmer wrote:
Vote by mail has been in effect for decades and nobody questioned it until Trump felt threatened. Now it’s all “Fraud City”!
Too many Democrats, I guess.


Vote by mail has been used in the case of military votes and absentee voting. This is a small amount of votes in any election. Because it is a small number of votes, it means that only a small percentage of those would be available for fraud. With a total vote by mail, that provides more opportunities for fraud. It doesn't necessarily mean there will be fraud, it's just provides more opportunities for fraud at a level that would change the outcome of an election just based on the volume of votes that could be tampered with. The states that have had total vote by mail, had years to set it up and work out the bugs by phasing it in slowly.
We could look at it another way, would you trust voting over the internet? Most people would say no because hackers could affect the outcome. Most couldn't say how it would be done, just that it could be done and it may be done by Russians, Chinese, Koreans or some other group. Even if it is done by Americans from any party or no party, it is still wrong.
Try to look at the scale of fraud. With physical in person voting with voter ID, it leaves almost zero margin for fraud. Without ID there is a small window for fraud. With mail voting, it increases the possible scale. With internet voting, the scale goes up astronomically where one person could overthrow the election results. With any voting system, the larger the number involved, the larger the effect.

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May 30, 2020 16:19:10   #
Hadenough
 
Kickaha wrote:
Vote by mail has been used in the case of military votes and absentee voting. This is a small amount of votes in any election. Because it is a small number of votes, it means that only a small percentage of those would be available for fraud. With a total vote by mail, that provides more opportunities for fraud. It doesn't necessarily mean there will be fraud, it's just provides more opportunities for fraud at a level that would change the outcome of an election just based on the volume of votes that could be tampered with. The states that have had total vote by mail, had years to set it up and work out the bugs by phasing it in slowly.
We could look at it another way, would you trust voting over the internet? Most people would say no because hackers could affect the outcome. Most couldn't say how it would be done, just that it could be done and it may be done by Russians, Chinese, Koreans or some other group. Even if it is done by Americans from any party or no party, it is still wrong.
Try to look at the scale of fraud. With physical in person voting with voter ID, it leaves almost zero margin for fraud. Without ID there is a small window for fraud. With mail voting, it increases the possible scale. With internet voting, the scale goes up astronomically where one person could overthrow the election results. With any voting system, the larger the number involved, the larger the effect.
Vote by mail has been used in the case of military... (show quote)


Well said.

KAG
God Bless the USA and President Trump

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May 30, 2020 16:57:50   #
kemmer
 
Kickaha wrote:
Vote by mail has been used in the case of military votes and absentee voting. This is a small amount of votes in any election. Because it is a small number of votes, it means that only a small percentage of those would be available for fraud. With a total vote by mail, that provides more opportunities for fraud. It doesn't necessarily mean there will be fraud, it's just provides more opportunities for fraud at a level that would change the outcome of an election just based on the volume of votes that could be tampered with. The states that have had total vote by mail, had years to set it up and work out the bugs by phasing it in slowly.
We could look at it another way, would you trust voting over the internet? Most people would say no because hackers could affect the outcome. Most couldn't say how it would be done, just that it could be done and it may be done by Russians, Chinese, Koreans or some other group. Even if it is done by Americans from any party or no party, it is still wrong.
Try to look at the scale of fraud. With physical in person voting with voter ID, it leaves almost zero margin for fraud. Without ID there is a small window for fraud. With mail voting, it increases the possible scale. With internet voting, the scale goes up astronomically where one person could overthrow the election results. With any voting system, the larger the number involved, the larger the effect.
Vote by mail has been used in the case of military... (show quote)

I think voting by mail is a better alternative to voting since Republican controlled states have been busy with every conceivable way to suppress Dem voters ever since the SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act.

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May 30, 2020 17:13:15   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
kemmer wrote:
I think voting by mail is a better alternative to voting since Republican controlled states have been busy with every conceivable way to suppress Dem voters ever since the SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act.


I think we should vote in person, with a limited availability of absentee voting. We should also have to show ID. Motor voter registration should be changed where the person registering to vote has to take action. Voter rolls need to be kept up to date by removing dead voters or voters who have moved.
Also we need to have a hard copy vote record. Vote harvesting needs to remain illegal.

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May 30, 2020 17:45:06   #
kemmer
 
Kickaha wrote:
I think we should vote in person, with a limited availability of absentee voting. We should also have to show ID. Motor voter registration should be changed where the person registering to vote has to take action. Voter rolls need to be kept up to date by removing dead voters or voters who have moved.
Also we need to have a hard copy vote record. Vote harvesting needs to remain illegal.

Fine. But AFTER the 2020 election.

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May 30, 2020 18:21:31   #
Navigator
 
kemmer wrote:
I think voting by mail is a better alternative to voting since Republican controlled states have been busy with every conceivable way to suppress Dem voters ever since the SCOTUS gutted the Voting Rights Act.


Wrongo, again. These states have been trying to increase the honesty of their elections. It is only your opinion and that of other leftists that requiring voted ID, requiring voter registration to take place sometime prior to the actual election and requiring people to vote on election day unless they have a good reason not (just as has been done for 200 years) and taking dead people and people who have moved out of state off the voter registration rolls is voter suppression; it isn't and no matter how many times you and your fellow travelers shout if from the rooftops it doesn't change the invalidity of your incorrect opinion.

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May 30, 2020 18:23:23   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
kemmer wrote:
Fine. But AFTER the 2020 election.


Most states are not equipped to handle the volume of mail in votes and there is not enough time to get them up to speed to handle it in time for the 2020 election. It would be easier, cheaper and and faster to use enhanced cleanings, social distancing, and wearing masks to vote in person. If someone doesn't feel comfortable voting in person, they can go through the procedures and vote absentee.

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May 30, 2020 19:40:03   #
kemmer
 
Navigator wrote:
Wrongo, again. These states have been trying to increase the honesty of their elections.

Translation: Less Democrats voting.

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May 30, 2020 19:42:39   #
kemmer
 
Kickaha wrote:
Most states are not equipped to handle the volume of mail in votes and there is not enough time to get them up to speed to handle it in time for the 2020 election. It would be easier, cheaper and and faster to use enhanced cleanings, social distancing, and wearing masks to vote in person. If someone doesn't feel comfortable voting in person, they can go through the procedures and vote absentee.

Many states already vote absentee; it would not be a problem for anyone but Republicans.

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