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May 13, 2020 10:17:38   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
rafterman wrote:
While Mr Mizell can be a forgiving person - and I admire him for that - I am not so forgiving. I am 73 years old and a Veteran of the Vietnam Era when all 58,000 named on that wall gave the ultimate sacrifice. So, I would like to see some more oxygen wasted with the local authorities finding those that did this and send them through the judicial system for just punishment. And, I echo that I will never forget all our brothers and sisters whose names are inscribed on that wall.



I am with you on this...

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May 13, 2020 10:51:48   #
Rose42
 
FallenOak wrote:
As I read these comments I think of the stocks the Pilgrims used 400 years ago in America. The comment lead me to think that for many the public shamming and humiliation would be just compensation for the desecration of the monument. One of the names is the name of a very able young man who knew his duty and went even though he had three reasons for a deferment. I knew him and his potential which was lost. I also think rotten eggs and rotten tomatoes should be provided to pummel those who sit in the stocks.
As I read these comments I think of the stocks the... (show quote)


Sounds like a good idea.

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May 13, 2020 12:24:55   #
davezant
 
permafrost wrote:
This was sent to me via Slatts and AuntieE.. both among the best of OPP members..


There is no punishment severe enough!

https://militaryveteransofdisqus.org/traveling-vietnam-veterans-memorial-vandalized-with-hammer/

Traveling Vietnam Veterans Memorial Vandalized With Hammer

Posted May 11, 2020 Old Jarhead, by Dan Doyle

For years, a copy of the Vietnam Memorial Wall in Washington, D.C. has travelled around the country and set up in places where people who might never be able to get to D.C. could visit it and maybe get some healing and closure.

One of those traveling walls was recently given a permanent home in John’s Creek, Georgia. The John’s Creek Veterans Association has been working on the set up of the permanent memorial since last July, and was going to have a Grand Opening celebration on March 28, 2020, but the coronavirus pandemic put the kibosh on that with the social distancing and stay at home requirements that were necessary to help control the spread of this deadly virus.

The Association was shocked recently to find that vandals had keyed about half of the panels of the installation and had taken a hammer to some of the other panels. Such behavior is beyond contempt. No matter the “reason” of self-righteous bravado vandals may give for their actions, the truth is that they are self-centered, insensitive cowards. These actions were done under cover of night. No courage there. One could imagine all kinds of righteous punishments for such actions
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My first reaction to this is to hunt down and teach the idiots a true lesson, from a Vietnam Era Veteran. But the story gets better.

But Mike Mizell of the Johns Creek Veterans Association is a much more centered and thoughtful individual than I am in this case. When asked about his feelings concerning the damage done to the Vietnam Memorial with its over 58,000 names of those who fell there in service to the nation, he responded, directing his comment to the perpetrator’s with, “You didn’t hurt the structure, you hurt people.”

When asked what he would like to see done to whomever did this he simply told the reporter that “he would like whoever did this to join them in cleaning the park and taking in the history it holds.”

Mike Mizell is clearly a man with some real moral character.

My respect for Mike Mizell knows no ends. I could never be as forgiving, or as calm as he appears to be here. To me, this is simply unimaginable.

It is a fact that when bad things happen to good people, the responses they give for their hurt reveals either the quality of their character or the lack thereof. Mike Mizell and the John’s Creek Veterans Association have every right to be angry about what has happened to this treasured memorial and how it effects Vietnam Veterans and their families, but Mizell’s response clearly shows that he and his fellow John’s Creek veterans are made of far superior stuff than that of those who did this to that honored memorial.

It is the action of our better angels not just to punish those who do wrong, but to invite and to challenge the wrong doer to turn away from their selfish actions, to pay the necessary recompense for their actions, and to learn how to grow into their better selves. Mizell’s comment is rooted in that kind of “better angels” kind of thinking.

The Veterans Site sends its support and its thanks to the John’s Creek Veterans Association and the Vietnam veterans of Georgia. We hope that the repairs to the John’s Creek Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall can be done quickly and that you will be able to have your Grand Opening sometime soon. We say, “Welcome Home” to all the Vietnam Veterans and promise to never forget all our brothers and sisters who gave their last full measure in Vietnam and whose names are inscribed on that wall.

Yes, I am livid at the wastes of oxygen that did this desecration.
This was sent to me via Slatts and AuntieE.. both ... (show quote)


As a Vietnam vet myself, I say that Mr. Mizell is a more forgiving soul than I am. He's correct, they didn't hurt a structure they hurt people.

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May 13, 2020 14:32:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
davezant wrote:
As a Vietnam vet myself, I say that Mr. Mizell is a more forgiving soul than I am. He's correct, they didn't hurt a structure they hurt people.



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May 13, 2020 14:43:27   #
woodguru
 
permafrost wrote:
This was sent to me via Slatts and AuntieE.. both among the best of OPP members..


There is no punishment severe enough!

https://militaryveteransofdisqus.org/traveling-vietnam-veterans-memorial-vandalized-with-hammer/

Traveling Vietnam Veterans Memorial Vandalized With Hammer

Posted May 11, 2020 Old Jarhead, by Dan Doyle

For years, a copy of the Vietnam Memorial Wall in Washington, D.C. has travelled around the country and set up in places where people who might never be able to get to D.C. could visit it and maybe get some healing and closure.

One of those traveling walls was recently given a permanent home in John’s Creek, Georgia. The John’s Creek Veterans Association has been working on the set up of the permanent memorial since last July, and was going to have a Grand Opening celebration on March 28, 2020, but the coronavirus pandemic put the kibosh on that with the social distancing and stay at home requirements that were necessary to help control the spread of this deadly virus.

The Association was shocked recently to find that vandals had keyed about half of the panels of the installation and had taken a hammer to some of the other panels. Such behavior is beyond contempt. No matter the “reason” of self-righteous bravado vandals may give for their actions, the truth is that they are self-centered, insensitive cowards. These actions were done under cover of night. No courage there. One could imagine all kinds of righteous punishments for such actions
.
My first reaction to this is to hunt down and teach the idiots a true lesson, from a Vietnam Era Veteran. But the story gets better.

But Mike Mizell of the Johns Creek Veterans Association is a much more centered and thoughtful individual than I am in this case. When asked about his feelings concerning the damage done to the Vietnam Memorial with its over 58,000 names of those who fell there in service to the nation, he responded, directing his comment to the perpetrator’s with, “You didn’t hurt the structure, you hurt people.”

When asked what he would like to see done to whomever did this he simply told the reporter that “he would like whoever did this to join them in cleaning the park and taking in the history it holds.”

Mike Mizell is clearly a man with some real moral character.

My respect for Mike Mizell knows no ends. I could never be as forgiving, or as calm as he appears to be here. To me, this is simply unimaginable.

It is a fact that when bad things happen to good people, the responses they give for their hurt reveals either the quality of their character or the lack thereof. Mike Mizell and the John’s Creek Veterans Association have every right to be angry about what has happened to this treasured memorial and how it effects Vietnam Veterans and their families, but Mizell’s response clearly shows that he and his fellow John’s Creek veterans are made of far superior stuff than that of those who did this to that honored memorial.

It is the action of our better angels not just to punish those who do wrong, but to invite and to challenge the wrong doer to turn away from their selfish actions, to pay the necessary recompense for their actions, and to learn how to grow into their better selves. Mizell’s comment is rooted in that kind of “better angels” kind of thinking.

The Veterans Site sends its support and its thanks to the John’s Creek Veterans Association and the Vietnam veterans of Georgia. We hope that the repairs to the John’s Creek Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall can be done quickly and that you will be able to have your Grand Opening sometime soon. We say, “Welcome Home” to all the Vietnam Veterans and promise to never forget all our brothers and sisters who gave their last full measure in Vietnam and whose names are inscribed on that wall.

Yes, I am livid at the wastes of oxygen that did this desecration.
This was sent to me via Slatts and AuntieE.. both ... (show quote)

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May 13, 2020 14:56:50   #
Tug484
 
permafrost wrote:
This was sent to me via Slatts and AuntieE.. both among the best of OPP members..


There is no punishment severe enough!

https://militaryveteransofdisqus.org/traveling-vietnam-veterans-memorial-vandalized-with-hammer/

Traveling Vietnam Veterans Memorial Vandalized With Hammer

Posted May 11, 2020 Old Jarhead, by Dan Doyle

For years, a copy of the Vietnam Memorial Wall in Washington, D.C. has travelled around the country and set up in places where people who might never be able to get to D.C. could visit it and maybe get some healing and closure.

One of those traveling walls was recently given a permanent home in John’s Creek, Georgia. The John’s Creek Veterans Association has been working on the set up of the permanent memorial since last July, and was going to have a Grand Opening celebration on March 28, 2020, but the coronavirus pandemic put the kibosh on that with the social distancing and stay at home requirements that were necessary to help control the spread of this deadly virus.

The Association was shocked recently to find that vandals had keyed about half of the panels of the installation and had taken a hammer to some of the other panels. Such behavior is beyond contempt. No matter the “reason” of self-righteous bravado vandals may give for their actions, the truth is that they are self-centered, insensitive cowards. These actions were done under cover of night. No courage there. One could imagine all kinds of righteous punishments for such actions
.
My first reaction to this is to hunt down and teach the idiots a true lesson, from a Vietnam Era Veteran. But the story gets better.

But Mike Mizell of the Johns Creek Veterans Association is a much more centered and thoughtful individual than I am in this case. When asked about his feelings concerning the damage done to the Vietnam Memorial with its over 58,000 names of those who fell there in service to the nation, he responded, directing his comment to the perpetrator’s with, “You didn’t hurt the structure, you hurt people.”

When asked what he would like to see done to whomever did this he simply told the reporter that “he would like whoever did this to join them in cleaning the park and taking in the history it holds.”

Mike Mizell is clearly a man with some real moral character.

My respect for Mike Mizell knows no ends. I could never be as forgiving, or as calm as he appears to be here. To me, this is simply unimaginable.

It is a fact that when bad things happen to good people, the responses they give for their hurt reveals either the quality of their character or the lack thereof. Mike Mizell and the John’s Creek Veterans Association have every right to be angry about what has happened to this treasured memorial and how it effects Vietnam Veterans and their families, but Mizell’s response clearly shows that he and his fellow John’s Creek veterans are made of far superior stuff than that of those who did this to that honored memorial.

It is the action of our better angels not just to punish those who do wrong, but to invite and to challenge the wrong doer to turn away from their selfish actions, to pay the necessary recompense for their actions, and to learn how to grow into their better selves. Mizell’s comment is rooted in that kind of “better angels” kind of thinking.

The Veterans Site sends its support and its thanks to the John’s Creek Veterans Association and the Vietnam veterans of Georgia. We hope that the repairs to the John’s Creek Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall can be done quickly and that you will be able to have your Grand Opening sometime soon. We say, “Welcome Home” to all the Vietnam Veterans and promise to never forget all our brothers and sisters who gave their last full measure in Vietnam and whose names are inscribed on that wall.

Yes, I am livid at the wastes of oxygen that did this desecration.
This was sent to me via Slatts and AuntieE.. both ... (show quote)


This is upsetting.

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May 13, 2020 16:58:27   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Tug484 wrote:
This is upsetting.


Yes, it is. without input from Slatts etc,, I would have been screaming from the tree tops..

But he and AuntiE have better judgement then I so a calmed down a bit.. but they are the providers and I am pleased I got to post it..

both sad and inspiring.. we do not have to follow the fools who do nothing but deface and defame.. we can be above that yet still hope they find retribution..

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May 13, 2020 17:50:53   #
Tug484
 
permafrost wrote:
Yes, it is. without input from Slatts etc,, I would have been screaming from the tree tops..

But he and AuntiE have better judgement then I so a calmed down a bit.. but they are the providers and I am pleased I got to post it..

both sad and inspiring.. we do not have to follow the fools who do nothing but deface and defame.. we can be above that yet still hope they find retribution..



I miss Slatten.

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May 13, 2020 17:52:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Tug484 wrote:
I miss Slatten.



Yes, I think we all do...

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May 13, 2020 17:55:03   #
Tug484
 
permafrost wrote:
Yes, I think we all do...


I think so.

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May 14, 2020 02:57:56   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Rose42 wrote:
Good for him. I agree - the wrong doers should help with the cleanup. But they should pay for what they've done as well. Pay for the cleanup - at a minimum.


That Rose is a slap on the hand and not good enough if you had a family member come back after following order and they did to come home and be spit on and cursed you would feel different Obama admin even had the Gaul to send Viet vets letters asking them to give up their VA benefits to the desert storm that to was one hell of a slap in the face they deserve one hell of a lot better treatment

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May 14, 2020 15:15:14   #
jwrevagent
 
permafrost wrote:
Good point--social media, some have actually done that..


There may be another way-----I found more tax dodgers and scofflaws in my stint as Revenue Agent for the WI Dept of Revenue, by simply sitting in restaurants, bars, and bowling alleys, or retail stores, standing in line and striking up conversations with people. Most people who have done something for which they have not been found out cannot help but brag about how they "got away with" whatever it is they did. They brag, and with little encouragement, will give details that only the perp could know. So listen carefully, speak in a friendly manner, and do not show how indignant you are. Might even come off as being kind of envious that they were so clever. You would be surprised, and so would many of the afore mentioned tax delinquents that it was they themselves that told me all about it. Several ended in prison, many in jail, and some lost businesses and retirements. If you are going to play that game, you need to be aware that you have no idea who may be listening in the next booth, or the next stool, or right behind you in line at a check out. The price of doing that is very high. It was an advantage that I was a middle aged female, graying hair, dressed casually, and certainly no one anyone would think would have any authority. Just saying-these guys or gals may give themselves away. Be alert!

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May 17, 2020 02:43:57   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Neither does China


Canuckus Deploracus,

but they do in Canada, be careful.

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May 17, 2020 02:47:08   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You think China executes people for defacing monuments?

That's a yes or no question...

And I wouldn't get into a pissing match with anyone over human rights if I can from a nation that is currently invading how many other nations


Canuckus Deploracus,

no need to be on the defensive, be strong...

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May 17, 2020 02:59:14   #
newbear Loc: New York City
 
Rose42 wrote:
And I’m not going to get into a pissing contest with someone determined to defend the abysmal record China has and continues to have on human rights. There’s a reason they censor so heavily.


Rose42,

I am teasing him when he sets me up for an easy repartee. He also likes to reveal some personal details, unsolicited, but always ending with a "solipsis" (…). His "social credit" rating in China must be quite high.

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