Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

Congress did Not come up with 6666 Trace act on their own and they didn't write it as its piggybacked
on existing laws here https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6666/text

The background information on this bill is sketchy to say the least

The bigger question is who benefits?
What corporation with tracking capabilities benefits? Google?
Do insurance companies benefit?
Who was the corporate lawfare group that wrote 6666?
What corporate lobbyist group is behind this?
And what corporations are the congress critters hawking/selling this for?

Would encourage everyone to do their research, to expose who will benefit financially from this luci bill

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

You seem to have tunnel vision. There’s more to this than you are acknowledging.

woodguru

And why is it you are so afraid of it?

Oh the horror of someone calling to say you've been exposed to someone who tested positive, shades of Nazi control

woodguru

What does that mean, hopefully nothing happens? There is only one thing that can happen, we know what that is, a new wave that is bigger than the first one because we weren't even close to having a handle on this, that and the lamest possible guidance and rules for doing this carefully.

SWMBO

SWMBO

AND THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WE DO NOT USE FACEBOOK.

ImLogicallyRight

Rose, I have to agree with you.

First off, tracking a communicable disease has a very good end. I thought so way back in the 60s. How easy would it have been to track a case of VD, as it was known back then. Instead, virtually nothing was done and vd/std reached a point with people not getting cured properly, with VD/STD that is getting almost impossible to cure. What we could have done way back then.

We did practically eliminate Polio and Measles. Small Pox is essentially a thing of the past. Now we have Carona virus spreading everywhere. Could it be traced down to every single infected carrier? Quarantine them until they are clean. We don't even know what clean is yet. Can you be reinfected? Will other strains develop? This is a long stretch.

But the most serious problem or disease is just starting to affect us and cause us more harm then all of the diseases of history. It is the disease of Government over reach and never trying to get more and control more and invade your privacy more every day. And is is aided by some of the richest and untrustworthy people we have ever had to face and protect ourselves from. The mega rich people in control of our social media, tracking us everywhere via cell phones. Passport control and the new drivers license are another evil, or it can be an evil and may be just another foot in the door. Be afraid, be very afraid.

In 1961 I joined the Navy. They took my fingerprints. No problem. They needed to check the data bases to see in I was a felon or ex felon or some such evil being. Those prints could be used to identify my remains in a fatal military incident and so, valuable. But they went into the FBI data base. Ever since then my fingerprints are part of a search for every murder, rape, burglary, etc. where fingerprint evidence is found. You didn't serve your country, they don't check you. I RESENT THAT. Who in hell are they to misuse my fingerprints beyond the serious and legitimate needs of the U. S. Navy and Veterans Administration. But they do.

Now they are taking DNA to join the military. Be afraid, be very afraid. They could find evidence for some crime that includes your DNA and you had nothing to do with the crime. But suddenly you are in jail trying to explain where you were 17 months ago when you just happened to be sleeping alone and can't prove it. And even if they don't have your DNA, they can maybe trace you through your third cousin who just had her DNA taken for kicks.

No DNA or fingerprints should ever be taken and allowed to be used beyond the limited scope of its original intent, no matter what.

Remember, what ever the government takes now, it expands tomorrow and never lets it go. Yes, from disease tracking to mandatory lock down or jail time if you don't cooperate or lie. Everywhere you went, legal or illegal, or something you'd rather keep private or not. There will be nothing private or beyond the reach of the government and that sounds to much like Stalin and Mao for me to stomach.

Remember Ben Franklin. "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both. Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Rose42

Good post. I have nothing to add. I don't know if you ever saw the movie Minority Report but we appear to be inching towards that.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

I fully agree!

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I have this thing where I don't want millions to die needlessly...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Perhaps... I'm not a conspiracy theorist... So things tend to get by me at times...

Super focused on the pandemic that's set to kill millions though

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

That super focus is what I am referring to. It’s probably the worst viral outbreak I’ve ever seen, but, if America ends up like Somalia or Venezuela, then the virus has won even though millions are still alive. I would rather die than be a citizen of that scenario. Wouldn’t you?

zombinis3 Loc: Southwest

Have you heard of salmonella, when it happens it needs to be traced from where it came from, or more people will get sick.
Have you heard of a bolo it is short hand for be on the lookout for.
For suspicious people why do you think people set up neighborhood watches.
As for technology-based tracking it is available the only thing that controls it are the requirements that have to be met.

I didn't say that it is not ripe for abuse. What I was pointing at it will be good to know how many people are sick and where. That is the only way you can get a trend on the disease so it can be handled better.
Most of the comments made are that the info is wrong that it is being used to scare, which in some cases it is. Like I mentioned earlier when a unknown is presented it is better to respond with a worst case scenario in a step movement you make sure the response of the different agencies is up to the task, then if needed you start to take steps for controlling the problem.
The line drawn that depends on you , me and everyone else who can help make a decsion that benefits the many not the few.

Rose42

So do others but they see beyond the surface. That's what you may never understand.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I'm guessing that's not going to happen... Y'all survived the Spanish flu...

Focus on saving lives...