newbear Loc: New York City

And I understand that they're excellent bakers. (he understands the gays are....)

promilitary

If I were him I would bake their damned cake......it doesn't have to be a good cake and
they wouldn't have to know what I put in it.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

You are correct as long as there were no ingredients that were toxic or not food grade, and you got paid in advance for the "special cake".

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

He has integrity and believes others should too...

He symbolizes the best of believers...

Wish there were more like him...

son of witless

He likely cannot bake a bad cake intentionally. He should be allowed to create a basic generic cake that they customer must decorate.

Ricktloml

He already did offer these men a generic wedding cake. They sued him because he refused to make them a custom one.

son of witless

I figured that because this is not about the cake. If it was there are many bakeries who would be happy to make any cake as long as you pay them well.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Had it been about the cake, they could have found a homosexual owned bakery happy to provide a spectacular cake for them. It was just another effort to destroy American society by making sure that Christian values would be banned.

son of witless

It wouldn't have to be a " homosexual owned bakery ". Most bakeries likely operate on a slim profit margin. They cannot afford to turn down any business. The thing about capitalism is that the profit motive is the best protection against someone not getting what they want. Granted if you have no money, everyone discriminates against you.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

You are correct but there are actually a few heterosexual owners who would refuse to celebrate the deviant behavior so would be happy to make a cake as long as it would not celebrate deviancy. Had a friend a few years back that refused to bake a cake for a woman who was going to marry her dog, so there are a lot of sick people out there.

son of witless

If I was a baker I would pretty much make any cake. A dog bone wedding cake would be easy.
I often wonder about barbers and hair dressers. What if the guy wanting a hair cut just pissed you off ? Would you be forced to cut his hair ?

jwrevagent

If you were pissed off at me, I don't think I would want you anywhere near my hair! But I remember back when society was not quite so crazy, I was a tax preparer working for an accountant-I was an enrolled agent enrolled to practice before the Internal Revenue Service which meant that I could represent taxpayers for whom I prepared a return at audit or conference. Anyway, a gentleman came in one afternoon, having made an appointment for his return to be prepared, and when I started, I asked the usual questions, like name address SS number. He handed me 5 social security cards with 5 different numbers on them-all with the same name, and I refused to go any further, because it was illegal to file his return given the information I was given. He became enraged and said I was required to do the return, and he would sue and the usual threats and nonsense. I told him that I was not allowed to knowingly prepare a fraudulent return, and he would have to go elsewhere. I could also report this to the IRS. So, there are times when you not only can but should refuse to provide a service-even though you would normally provide that service for profit. It is also, I believe, but am not sure about this, illegal to have more than one SS number for use as ID or benefits or whatever. FYI, I have prepared tax returns for people who are engaged in illegal activity, such as prostitution, or some gambling, as long as they reported all the income from even the illegal activities. If they did not, and I had done my due diligence in determining that most likely all income was reported, that was all that is necessary. I was not required to go into their private business, or check their bank accounts-had no authority to do that, but using common sense as to probable life style and income, there was no problem. I did always warn clients that it was foolish of them to try to hide income or assets in case of audit. If some one claimed poverty but drove up in a new Mercedes, and had expensive jewelry and custom made suits or something, I would certainly question that. It is possible to have little reportable income and yet be very wealthy and live in luxury, but most people do not. So while the profit motive is a strong one for providing service, I preferred to stay out of any prison. BTW, the IRS is under confidentiality constraints-or at least it was back then-so that any illegal activity shown on a tax return could not be shared with law enforcement either Federal, State, or Local. That is why the tax laws included the requirement to include ill gotten gains-it is how they got Al Capone, after all-tax evasion, right?

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

That's right. He was a thug, criminal and killer but the only thing they could get him on was tax evasion, but at least they did get him.
Guess I don't have to worry. I drive an 8 year old car with over 100,000 miles on it and live in a doublewide. On the other hand I have EVERYTHING I need, food, a woman who loves me, a safe place to sleep and five dogs to protect me. What else could anyone need, particularly one who is close to 80 years old?

jwrevagent

Exactly-me too, except for the woman part-I have a husband who is the best-kind, thoughtful, loving and patient. He is only angered by injustice-we live in a two bedroom 950 sq ft apartment, our car is 2010, with over 100,000 miles on it, and we are not allowed to have pets, or we would have at least one dog. Whatever money the Lord grants me beyond what I need, I much prefer to give away, rather than keep it-nothing to keep it for. I have many physical challenges like valve replacements AICD, Pacemaker, stents, congestive heart failure and diabetes, but I am able to take care of our apartment, just not as fast as I used to be, and we have some one come in to do the heavy cleaning a couple of times a month, courtesy of my son, and I know that I am at the end of my days, and take comfort in knowing that I will be with my Lord and Savior at the end of it all. No worries, no angst, no fears. Getting old-I highly recommend it!

son of witless

Thank you for a great reply. As far as " If you were pissed off at me, I don't think I would want you anywhere near my hair! " I concur, although any job I would do even for someone who pissed me off, would be my best.

It reminds me of something. I have a friend who works in an ER and she tells me regularly of patients verbally abusing the hospital personnel. I never want to piss off the people trying to help me in a hospital.

Kind of like I will never get into a tiff with the pilot who has my life in his hands as we take off from an airport. Or like kids on a school bus misbehaving and distracting the driver who has their lives in her hands.

" If some one claimed poverty but drove up in a new Mercedes, and had expensive jewelry and custom made suits or something, I would certainly question that. "

Similarly I do not begrudge people who go to food banks. There but for the grace of God go I. However I have known old ladies who had money. They drove nice cars and lived in nice houses, yet they would show up at churches for free meals and did not leave so much as a token offering. Some of them qualified for free food delivered to their homes, they took it so that they could give it away and act like big shots to their poorer friends who didn't need it either.