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Colorado Baker Sued Again, This Time for Refusing ‘Gender Transition’ Cake
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Apr 14, 2020 23:37:39   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Could one not simply order a cake to spec without explaining what the cake is for???

I'm no expert, but on the few occasions I hace purchased cakes, no one asked the reason behind the purchase...

I think they just assumed I like cake...


you cant sue them if they dont know the reason AND REFUSE set up

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Apr 14, 2020 23:38:21   #
Ricktloml
 
EmilyD wrote:
All he ever wanted to do was bake cakes! He didn't go out and drag gay activists into his shop and tell them to harass him! Christians are backing him up because they believe that their faith in Jesus and spiritual eternity is more important than anything else on earth. This man is a faithful Christian who is being harassed to do something that goes against his core beliefs. That is not leaching. That is not being a con artist. He did not create the crowd funding pages - his friends and supporters did....because the like him and want to help him through this harassment. HE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS. These gay people could have gone into his store and asked him for a cake. They didn't have to say what it was for, and the guy most likely would have made the cake.

This is NOT about the cake. This is about the LGBQT agenda - period!!!
All he ever wanted to do was bake cakes! He didn't... (show quote)


Phillips actually offered these men a generic wedding cake, but refused to make a custom cake for them, as THAT would go against his core beliefs. And they could have done what most people would, take their business elsewhere, (which is what the homosexual community assured everyone they would do, when the issue of targeting Christian businesses came up during the discussion over homosexual marriage.) These men TARGETED Phillips' business BECAUSE he was a Christian. They were hoping to destroy any semblance of religious freedom, they just didn't succeed. But this is the goal, which is why they are going after him again. He can't be allowed to defy this agenda or openly express his faith, people are supposed to knuckled under.

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Apr 14, 2020 23:42:04   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
lindajoy wrote:
Its intentional in nature... They could have done just as you say but they are out to get Phillips...Alternatively they could have used another bakery as well....

Phillips needs to counter sue to include a permanent injunction relief/restraining order....


He needs to put a sign in his window unable to provide cakes for marriages or transgenders changes due to religious beliefs. Cant he do that as a way to protect himself

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Apr 14, 2020 23:49:54   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Phillips actually offered these men a generic wedding cake, but refused to make a custom cake for them, as THAT would go against his core beliefs. And they could have done what most people would, take their business elsewhere, (which is what the homosexual community assured everyone they would do, when the issue of targeting Christian businesses came up during the discussion over homosexual marriage.) These men TARGETED Phillips' business BECAUSE he was a Christian. They were hoping to destroy any semblance of religious freedom, they just didn't succeed. But this is the goal, which is why they are going after him again. He can't be allowed to defy this agenda or openly express his faith, people are supposed to knuckled under.
Phillips actually offered these men a generic wedd... (show quote)


These people want to put religion in the ground because God stated that it was an abomination in the eyes of the lord to get churches closed religious people silenced is their goal.

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Apr 15, 2020 09:37:04   #
Lonewolf
 
bggamers wrote:
He needs to put a sign in his window unable to provide cakes for marriages or transgenders changes due to religious beliefs. Cant he do that as a way to protect himself



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Apr 15, 2020 10:14:33   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
bggamers wrote:
He needs to put a sign in his window unable to provide cakes for marriages or transgenders changes due to religious beliefs. Cant he do that as a way to protect himself


One of the reasons we do not ever post our true names and addresses on ANY chat line, including this one is because of the LGBTQ activists. Over the years, they have threatened Christians who work with children to help the children heal from abuse in childhood is because we firmly believe that same sex attraction is not a genetic creation but often a result of abuse or neglect in childhood. Many of the boys we have worked with go through a period when they believe that they are attracted to men or that they are really girls in boys bodies. Without discussing that directly we help them realize their true identity as they heal from the damage. We have gotten threats from the activist because of that, but others who have been part of our Christian therapy groups have had their houses burned or their car tires slashed. Two in California near SanFrancisco years ago had their pets killed by a couple of homosexual activists. Frankly, I don't care if they have sex with each other, but don't tell me that your behavior is normal and blessed by God, and stay away from children under 18!!!!!

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Apr 15, 2020 10:25:10   #
Lonewolf
 
bggamers wrote:
These people want to put religion in the ground because God stated that it was an abomination in the eyes of the lord to get churches closed religious people silenced is their goal.


I'm not defending their life style but in proverbs contains a list of 7 things god "hates"
And gays are not mentioned?

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Apr 15, 2020 10:40:47   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
no propaganda please wrote:
One of the reasons we do not ever post our true names and addresses on ANY chat line, including this one is because of the LGBTQ activists. Over the years, they have threatened Christians who work with children to help the children heal from abuse in childhood is because we firmly believe that same sex attraction is not a genetic creation but often a result of abuse or neglect in childhood. Many of the boys we have worked with go through a period when they believe that they are attracted to men or that they are really girls in boys bodies. Without discussing that directly we help them realize their true identity as they heal from the damage. We have gotten threats from the activist because of that, but others who have been part of our Christian therapy groups have had their houses burned or their car tires slashed. Two in California near SanFrancisco years ago had their pets killed by a couple of homosexual activists. Frankly, I don't care if they have sex with each other, but don't tell me that your behavior is normal and blessed by God, and stay away from children under 18!!!!!
One of the reasons we do not ever post our true na... (show quote)


I agree

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Apr 15, 2020 10:55:24   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Lonewolf wrote:
I'm not defending their life style but in proverbs contains a list of 7 things god "hates"
And gays are not mentioned?


Genisis 19/ Jude 7/ Leviticus 18:22 I'm not up with bible much anymore but remember some and what can't remember look up on the internet

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Apr 15, 2020 10:56:57   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
no propaganda please wrote:
One of the reasons we do not ever post our true names and addresses on ANY chat line, including this one is because of the LGBTQ activists. Over the years, they have threatened Christians who work with children to help the children heal from abuse in childhood is because we firmly believe that same sex attraction is not a genetic creation but often a result of abuse or neglect in childhood. Many of the boys we have worked with go through a period when they believe that they are attracted to men or that they are really girls in boys bodies. Without discussing that directly we help them realize their true identity as they heal from the damage. We have gotten threats from the activist because of that, but others who have been part of our Christian therapy groups have had their houses burned or their car tires slashed. Two in California near SanFrancisco years ago had their pets killed by a couple of homosexual activists. Frankly, I don't care if they have sex with each other, but don't tell me that your behavior is normal and blessed by God, and stay away from children under 18!!!!!
One of the reasons we do not ever post our true na... (show quote)


Considering how many times he ended up in court everyone should know who he is

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Apr 15, 2020 10:58:13   #
EmilyD
 
bggamers wrote:
Genisis 19/ Jude 7/ Leviticus 18:22 I'm not up with bible much anymore but remember some and what can't remember look up on the internet

New Testament: Romans 1:18-32. Very clear on this subject.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=NIV

"God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

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Apr 15, 2020 11:08:32   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
EmilyD wrote:
New Testament: Romans 1:18-32. Very clear on this subject.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=NIV

"God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."
New Testament: Romans 1:18-32. Very clear on this ... (show quote)


Thanks, EmilyD missed that one

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Apr 15, 2020 11:25:17   #
Lonewolf
 
EmilyD wrote:
New Testament: Romans 1:18-32. Very clear on this subject.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=NIV

"God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."
New Testament: Romans 1:18-32. Very clear on this ... (show quote)


But in proverbs God took the time to list the Things He Hates
And the crook and adulterer will recive the very same punishment

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Apr 15, 2020 12:51:36   #
Ricktloml
 
bggamers wrote:
Thanks, EmilyD missed that one
Thanks, EmilyD missed that one img src="https://s... (show quote)


As far as the Word of God (the Bible,) is concerned, the practice of homosexuality is quite clear. It is sin. Period. In the secular world, homosexuality is a mental disorder. When the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from their diagnostic manual as a mental disorder in 1973, they admitted there was NO scientific or medical reason for the removal. Homosexuality was removed as mental disorder because of intense political pressure, and because militant, violent homosexuals were picketing the doctors' homes and threatening their families. And in the decades since, there has been NO scientific, or medical proof found, that homosexuals are in fact "born that way", (and there have been numerous studies done to TRY to prove just that.) Keep in mind it is the "practice of homosexuality" God considers a sin. He loves ALL his children, but rightfully expects them to follow His commandments. And this new elevation of the mental disorder of transgenderism is especially harmful. It encourages people to mutilate themselves, or chemically alter their bodies, (it has sunk so low that young children are now being abused in the name of this disorder.) And NPP is right, any criticism of this dangerous disorder can result in loss of employment, ridicule, and yes violence Mr. Phillips should be thanked for taking on this burden and fighting these radicals.

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Apr 15, 2020 13:29:15   #
Divine truth
 
Lonewolf wrote:
I'm not defending their life style but in proverbs contains a list of 7 things god "hates"
And gays are not mentioned?


The behavior is mentioned, and not the word "gay". Which means happy, and not sexual insanity, immoral lifestyle..or acts of terrorism.

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