JW

There is no reliable means of reading another person's mind so any "report" that tells you what someone else thinks or what their motives are, should be a bright red flag to question its truthfulness.

https://soapboxie.com/world-politics/The-Anatomy-of-Propaganda

woodguru

Which is why the right is so conflicted, you believe anything trump says he "thinks" or believes based on concepts he pulls out of his butt, and can't recognize the highly credible expert that haven't used anything but facts and statistics. You also after all this time haven't figured out that the "experts" he surrounds himself in press BS sessions cannot say what they would like to say if it contradicts the president or they will be gone from their position, and we have seen dozens of top advisers gone after contradicting him.

Your opinion on recognizing propaganda isn't worth much if you believe trump

JW

President Trump has a greater obligation than simply dispensing facts and statistics. He is responsible for leading this nation through a media generated crisis.

I do not believe anyone, including the President. I do my best to confirm the things I hear and read. How that information is presented is the key to its truthfulness.

BTW - I have not found a single direct lie told by the President. I have found hundreds told by the msm as news.

Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas

Woodguru......you just pointed out woodguru, exactly what he does.

JW

Everyone can see it except him...

Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas

you are doing it right now.....how do you know they cannot say what they want? or they will be fired.

thanks for being the poster child for this thread .......you are exactly what this is about.

Trumpnotthestormiestpres Loc: L.A.

If it says WaPo it's worse than propaganda. It's journocrime.

Somewhere along the line reporters started behaving like toddlers yowling for whatever they want, all the time.

The range of immaturity should make a YouTube fanvid of negative slanted coverage when the media should perform as the wisest actors of all.

If the majority of urgent care patients are between 20 and 44 then the media should be using their tools and access for the greater good.

I'm surprised that the ultra critical radar of the press hasn't turned it's eagle eye on their own industry.

Where's the Frontline episode on that?

PeterS

You should read the article. It doesn't sound like you have. First, you need to differentiate between good and bad propaganda. If you look at WWII, for example, we were bombarded with patriotic propaganda daily and its purpose was to get us to work together as one patriotic unit. So if propaganda helps us to achieve a positive goal there is nothing wrong with it. The question begged is does it help us achieve a positive goal and upon whose perspective do we ask the question?

JW

Yes, I read it. That's why I said (above) that the President has a more important responsibility than just dispensing facts and statistics.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Oh yeah, right, America's response to violent aggression in Europe and the far east was purely due to "patriotic propaganda". It had nothing to do with with the near destruction of the United States Pacific Fleet and the unprecedented threat to the entire world. No doubt Americans would have just gone on with their daily lives had they not been fed a massive ration of "patriotic propaganda", the poor dumb bastards needed some serious motivation to get them off their asses and into the fight.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

True!

PeterS

1) if you haven't found a direct lie told by the president then you aren't looking very hard. 2) people don't have to tell direct lies to be deceitful. You seem to be saying that because you haven't heard a direct lie from Trump that he is truthful when in fact he is anything but. 3) the question I have for you--by what criteria do you use to confirm something? Because it agrees with how you think or because you have been able to objectively prove that something is true?

That you find ONLY mainstream media deceitful while Trump is truthful tells me that you aren't objective in how you think so if you aren't objective then you are likely listening for rhetoric that agrees with how you think and it's those cues that you call 'truthful' whether you've done anything to prove them that way or not.

This is not a criticism by the way as most people look for rhetoric that agrees with their own and it's that rhetoric that they deem truthful because they don't want to see themselves in a disparaging light. Objectivity is not a simple task and anytime your world falls into an either/or situation the one thing you know for certain is that you aren't being objective simply because nothing is ever either/or. Again, you should read the article you gave the rest of us to read.

JW

You're not paying attention, Pete. I already told you that I read the article.

I 'try' to verify. Sometimes that isn't possible and in those instances, I go with the preponderance of evidence I have gathered in the past. If that agrees with what I am checking, that's a good sign. Not a final vote but a good sign. There are many direct lies coming from the media. They regularly report things that simply are not true.

I am always happier when what I learn agrees with me but that isn't a gauge of truthfulness and nothing I rely on. I did not say that Trump is always truthful but when he wanders from the truth, it is clear why and it never undermines the truth.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Lets test YOUR objectivity sir; name a truth or truths uttered by Trump and name some positive things he has done for the country.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Take a look at the news reels sponsored by our government during WWII - if it sounds real good - it's most likely propaganda.