Isn't This a Form of Socialism?
Mar 18, 2020 15:36:11 #
Looks a lot more appealing in a time of crisis, no?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Mar 18, 2020 15:49:18 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
PaulPisces wrote:
Looks a lot more appealing in a time of crisis, no?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
People actually pay to read the NYT. Astounding. Not I, said the frog.
Mar 18, 2020 15:56:15 #
PaulPisces wrote:
Looks a lot more appealing in a time of crisis, no?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Your link goes to the NYT - then requires one to subscribe (pay).
Got another link? I am not paying to keep that disreputable organization going.....
Mar 18, 2020 17:05:32 #
Trump went all Yang on us. How is he going to pay for this? Hopefully, get the billionaires to pay 1 percent of their wealth to let thev rest of to get thruogh the pandeminic in one peace.
Mar 18, 2020 17:13:28 #
peg w wrote:
Trump went all Yang on us. How is he going to pay for this? Hopefully, get the billionaires to pay 1 percent of their wealth to let thev rest of to get thruogh the pandeminic in one peace.
the 1 % don;t care about us neither does trump
Mar 18, 2020 17:24:10 #
American Vet wrote:
Your link goes to the NYT - then requires one to subscribe (pay).
Got another link? I am not paying to keep that disreputable organization going.....
Got another link? I am not paying to keep that disreputable organization going.....
Usually one can read 10 articles a month for free on the NYT.
Not sure of another way to read. Apologies if no one can access this article.
But the news is available form other sources, I am sure.
Mar 18, 2020 18:35:12 #
Fodaoson
Loc: South Texas
PaulPisces wrote:
Looks a lot more appealing in a time of crisis, no?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Socialism would take over the means of production. Buying up the products creates demand and the companies making the product will step up production.
Mar 18, 2020 18:42:21 #
Fodaoson wrote:
Socialism would take over the means of production. Buying up the products creates demand and the companies making the product will step up production.
Based on your correct (but narrow) definition I could quibble that we are indeed operating in a Socialist structure because the Fed is simply printing money ("taking over the means of production.")
But there is also a hint of Communism in what the administration is proposing: "..each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
The idea that a system must be pure and unchangeable to be effective and useful for the majority is not a very pragmatic point of view, IMHO.
Mar 19, 2020 06:01:50 #
PaulPisces wrote:
Based on your correct (but narrow) definition I co... (show quote)
However, the less government, the better.
Mar 19, 2020 11:12:46 #
PaulPisces wrote:
Usually one can read 10 articles a month for free on the NYT.
Not sure of another way to read. Apologies if no one can access this article.
But the news is available form other sources, I am sure.
Not sure of another way to read. Apologies if no one can access this article.
But the news is available form other sources, I am sure.
What does being returned some of the money you paid into taxes have to do with Socialism?
Mar 19, 2020 13:03:16 #
American Vet wrote:
However, the less government, the better.
I would qualify your statement.
The less ineffective, corrupt, useless government the better.
Mar 19, 2020 13:08:12 #
JoyV wrote:
What does being returned some of the money you paid into taxes have to do with Socialism?
If the current administration had eliminated the deficit as promised one might possibly be able to say the proposed payments are a return of a portion of one's taxes. Unfortunately there is about negative $1 trillion of our tax money left, so this certainly qualifies as a handout from the state.
Mar 19, 2020 13:20:28 #
Fodaoson wrote:
Socialism would take over the means of production. Buying up the products creates demand and the companies making the product will step up production.
Actually you are wrong about how a shift can happen. If tens and hundreds of thousands of small businesses go under, the giants who got huge tax cuts that are looking at bailouts to keep them alive, will take over the vacuum in production and we could have an entire country dominated by huge corporations more so than it is now. We should be letting the huge guys pay higher taxes, they survive or they don't, which opens opportunity for a new wave of small businesses to flourish as we come out of this.
The face of farming got changed as tens of thousands of small farmers couldn't compete with huge corporate farms that were heavily subsidized, we are about to see that happen on a small business scale. Look at the way trump is already talking about pouring hundreds of billions of dollars at huge corporations, they will survive, sift it into small businesses that employ millions of people that don't want to work for a giant.
Mar 19, 2020 13:23:19 #
JoyV wrote:
What does being returned some of the money you paid into taxes have to do with Socialism?
What does hundreds of billions we working people paid into taxes going to monster industries that actually would survive without it not have to do with socialism for billionaires?
Mar 19, 2020 13:42:01 #
PaulPisces wrote:
I would qualify your statement.
The less ineffective, corrupt, useless government the better.
The less ineffective, corrupt, useless government the better.
Good qualifiers.
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