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I do or use neither, Thanks but I’ll pass...

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Good point.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Hey Newbee. How are you?

I have no clue what your first sentence means, care to clarify?

As for the rest, are you trying to tell me that there are more than ten possible disagreements among about 8 billion people? No way! More that TEN? Oh no...say it ain't so!!!

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Hi CD, just wanted to let you know I've seen your responses and will reply, but I have some things I need to do first. Meanwhile, in case you didn't see it, I responded to your response concerning the abortion issue before you posted this.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

I agree...I also like the term discussion better than debate concerning converstions with you. This really is refreshing, thanks for reminding me of my original purpose for getting involved with this type of website.



The reason I said it should be up to the individual teachers is to keep the group involved small. That lowers the chances of competing faiths. But if there still are too many, then the class can simply refrain from praying. Personally I think school prayer is about as far down on the priority list for public school issues as possible. It would be much better to concentrate on making the schools educate.

As for silent prayer, that's not even part of the school prayer 'issue', for the reasons you stated.



LOL - thanks. You do too. Are you familiar with John Prine?



Yes. Taxes, and the tax code, are used for many purposes including restrictions and incentives. Most governments consider home ownership as beneficial to society, hence mortgage tax deductions and government-backed loans. Solar industry lobbyists bribe politicians to give tax deductions to people who buy solar panels and Tesla's. There are 'sin taxes' to restrict the use of things like alcohol and tobacco. Then there's the tax code itself, which (at least in the USA) is purposefully so complicated and self-contradictory that virtually everybody can be arrested for tax fraud or evasion at any time. (Think Al Capone)

But to answer your original question, as the song states, the mines, the mills and the factories are for the good of us all. Hence corporate tax deductions and incentives.

Remember too, corporations just pass the taxes they pay on to their customers through increased prices. The general public benefits when corporations pay less in taxes.



I agree, in fact I was going to say something like that in my first response, but couldn't think of a good way to word it. You did.

It seems we agree about far more than we disagree, which isn't at all surprising. Libertarians, like me, have far more in common with conservatives, like you, than with leftists.

MeadowFields

I'd like to weigh in on the abortion issue with my POV.
An unborn child does not have the option of requesting to be born or not. It is therefore the responsibility of the parent(s) whether or not they choose to bring a new life into this world. By choosing to carry the baby to term the parent(s) obligate themselves to lovingly care and raise the child to the best of their abilities. If the parent(s) decide in the early first trimester that this child is not wanted for whatever the reason or circumstance, they should have the right to abort the fetus and spare the child the deprivation of being born unloved or placed in an adoption agency or foster home. The unborn child is their property and responsibility and only they should have the law on their side to make that life-giving decision. It's immoral in my opinion to force parenthood onto anyone. It's equally immoral for the government to interfere in that emotional and very personal decision that a citizen of sound mind and body wishes to pursue.
There are special circumstances where the decision should be rendered by a court appointed authority or a family member if the parent(s) are found to be incompetent, but that should only apply in very rare instances.
A responsible adult should be permitted to abort a fetus if they so choose.
The issue of when an abortion should occur is tricky but certainly within the 1st trimester should be acceptable.
Let's keep the conversation civil and adult without name calling and other abuses. That's a real turnoff and only reflects badly on the sender.
Thanks for hearing me out.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Good points. Too many pro-lifers concentrate on life rather than quality of life, or lack thereof.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

If one really stops long enough to consider the process of becoming, we discover it is a miracle in itself just to experience being or life. We have been allowed to survive as one out of millions of sperm and the matching egg required to make be. To purposefully stop that miraculous process is an infringement on the main event in a human beings existence. Only the naïve or terribly misinformed are ignorant of the way and method by which life begins. Those who indulge in the life making process are often too young, to irresponsible, too selfish to live with the consequences and possible resulting pregnancy's and childbirth. As one who believes that life begins at conception the time for deciding who lives and who dies should be before the wonderful experience of sex. Just sayin for a friend.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Actually, there are too many who get abortion after abortion indiscriminately.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

That's probably true, but why would you want them to be parents, and role models for the next generation?

For the life of me I cannot understand how anybody can look at Nancy Pelosi or AOC and not think what a better world this would be if they'd been aborted.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

And I am always happy to hear your point of view...

But I do have a question concerning a statement you made...

''An unborn child does not have the option of requesting to be born or not.''

Nor does an infant have the option of requesting care and shelter...

What is the difference?

It seems like the crux of the conflict is always "where does life start?"

Nwtk2007 posted an excellent thread once concerning when consciousness began... It deteriorated (as all threads do) but there were some excellent discussions earlier on...

There are certainly circumstances where an abortion might be necessary or sanctioned, but convenience is not one of them (in my opinion)...

If an individual is not ready for the responsibility of parenthood, they should not engage in actions that lead to parenthood... It's about responsibility....


Lastly, I would hope that no one would attack you... Civility should always be met with civility

bggamers Loc: georgia

It's not that people don't want abortion it the timing If you're going to have sex fine but be responsible and take something. We all know that is 99% there are to many ways to prevent but if you do get pregnant get it in a reasonable time what people are more upset about is abortion UP TO DELIVERY DATE these babies are fully formed and often born fully developed and alive don't want it fine give it to state but because its a baby that was BORN during an abortion they put it in a room and leave it to die or I,ve heard they take a syringe and shoot something into the brain this is what people are up in arms about feminist say this is the mothers right to have the baby killed. Me I feel it's murder

Hug

No two ways about it, abortion is murder.

bggamers Loc: georgia

there are reason for but late-term unless the mother's life is at stake

Rose42

There is one more side. Chistians - both liberal and conservative - know killing unborn children is unconscionable.