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Mar 4, 2020 13:37:46   #
MeadowFields
 
drlarrygino wrote:
Another question might be, why did Israel cease to exist for 2,000 years and then become a nation again??? Why is it that Israel is the only nation in history to have existed, then non-existed, then existed again?? Could this prove the existence of God and his prophets who predicted this exact thing in the Bible??? Check out Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Revelation, and numerous other Biblical scripture that talks about the Jewish people being scattered to all parts of the world with no country and then being put back together as a country in the end times. The Romans destroyed the Jewish land of Israel. Israel became a country again in 1948. Proof of God?? Very well might be.
Another question might be, why did Israel cease to... (show quote)


Although the nation of Israel ceased to exist after the 2nd Temple destruction by the Romans over two millenia ago, the people of Israel have always been alive and well (Am Yisrael Chai!). The Torah (old testament) and the volumes of Rabbinic teachings plus the entire "mishna" or tractates have been studied down through the ages and its principles and moral dictates still ring true to this day. In a phrase, "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the core rationale behind the moral code. Time, as humans evaluate it, is very relative and two thousand years is a blip when measured against eternity. The words of the prophets predicting a return (t'shuvah) when Israel will become a "light unto the nations" and G-D's glory will reign supreme may be occurring in our times. And we should all respond " AMEN!

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Mar 4, 2020 14:15:22   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Most excellent...

I realize that it is quite late in the US, so I am going to refrain from immediately responding and wait until morning... This should allow some of the other members to engage...

Truly, this is how I wish all conversations on the OPP could go... Individuals exchanging information and viewpoints... No insults or slurs....

Gratitude


CD - While I don't want to get into a debate about abortion per se, there is a different aspect of it that I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on...

For several years it's been my contention that both sides of the debate are wrong. By that I mean that, if one looks at the professed core beliefs of liberals and conservatives, both sides have taken the others' position regarding abortion.

For liberals, their professed core belief is that they are the protectors of the innocent and helpless. Yet when it comes to abortion, which involves killing the most innocent and helpless possible, they say go ahead and kill it, it's your constitutional right.

For conservatives, their professed core belief is freedom from govt intrusion into personal matters. Yet when it comes to abortion, which is doubtlessly a very personal matter, they demand the government intrude and force pregnant women to carry the fetus to term.

In both cases each side is arguing against their core beliefs. Strange!

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Mar 4, 2020 15:39:05   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
10 Topics Guaranteed to Start an Argument
MORRIS M.
Listverse. com

One of the great things about the internet is the way it opens up debate. Now we don’t just read a news story, we actively get involved below the line—broadcasting our opinion to millions. At its best, this sort of ‘below the line’ activity can throw up more interesting points than the article itself. At its worst… well, you only have to look at stories on any of these topics to see how opinions can polarize. For instance, good luck finding a rational debate on:

10. The Existence of God
One of humanity’s most-enduring questions is: ‘is there a God?’ For millennia, people have fought and killed each other over the issue and wasted a ton of ink justifying their opinions. So you’d think by now we’d have learned to debate the question sensibly. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.The trouble is, both sides (atheists and believers) have their minority of fundamentalists who will do their level-best to ‘win’ the argument by being as condescending as possible. Atheists accuse their religious counterparts of ‘believing in sky fairies’ and compare religious upbringing to child abuse; while the religious faction simply resort to attacking the concept of science.The weird thing is, most of us have probably met plenty of atheists and believers and never encountered a single lunatic. From personal experience, I know my Christian and atheist friends largely respect each other’s opinions and never try to ‘convert’ others to their side. In fact, watching a debate between these guys would likely be genuinely informative—so why is it only the diehards who ever make it onto message boards?

9. The Israel/Palestine Question
Around the world, there are dozens of ‘contested’ territories: Northern Ireland, Kashmir, the Falklands, Gibraltar and the Western Sahara, to name a few. Many of them have long, turbulent histories, periodically spill over into violence and one of them (Kashmir) nearly triggered a nuclear war. So why is it only the disputed Israeli/Palestinian border that whips up such emotion?Let’s be clear here: I’m not saying there’s nothing to get worked up about. The situation is undoubtedly tense, not-helped by such things as rocket attacks on Israel, Israeli airstrikes, the seizure of Palestinian land and the violently anti-Semitic propaganda prevalent in the region. If you have to deal with it on a daily basis it’s only natural you’d form a strong opinion. But what’s puzzling is how the entire internet has chosen this specific land-dispute to jump onto—and invested it with such emotion that rational argument becomes impossible.

8. Taxation
Tax is more-or-less a fact of life: none of us want to pay it, most of us don’t like what it gets spent on, but most of us use some of the stuff it buys—so we begrudgingly pay up. If we think about it much beyond that, it’s probably because we’ve either heard about some company refusing to pay a single cent; or some dumb government introducing a ridiculously unfair rate. But mention taxation on a message board and watch the lunatics come crawling out the woodwork.Now, to be fair, I’ve voiced some strong opinions on tax on these very pages. So feel free to call me a hypocrite. But I’ve never argued for a one hundred percent tax rate or literally equated taxation with slavery—which is what you’ll hear on any forum devoted to the topic. Like everything else on this list, it seems to be only the extremists who leave comments on these articles: the beret-wearing Che Guevara wanabees and Ayn Rand worshippers.

7. Feminism
As much as people like to get their hackles up at the thought of atheists and Christians or that chunk that comes out their paycheck each month, nothing compares to the vitriol evoked by feminism. Simply put: a good deal of the population seem to see the term as an invite to either spew violent misogyny or get into an oppression competition. And that’s before we even get onto the various strands of feminism that spend more time attacking each other than the patriarchy.Now, if we’re being honest, there are some forms of feminism that really do suck. Equally, a lot of serious articles about ‘men’s issues’ often get shouted down under sarcastic calls of ‘lolz what about teh menz?’ But the sheer hatred feminism seems to stir up is way out of proportion to any of this. After all, the basic concept is something we should all be able to get behind. For example: do you think everyone deserves equal pay for equal work, the freedom to make their own life choices and to live without the threat of violence, no matter what type of genitals they have? Then congratulations: you’re a feminist.

6. Circumcision
There are two types of circumcision: male and female. Female circumcision is better known by its more-truthful name ‘female genital mutilation’ (fgm) and everyone pretty-much agrees it’s a really bad thing. Male circumcision, on the other hand, is an absolute powder keg.That last link, by the way, goes to a representative article on the subject—if you have time, follow it and check the comments. That’s how most discussions about circumcision look: a whole mass of people screaming child abuse, threatening to call the police and comparing the practice to witch burning. To clarify: I’m not trying to take sides here. If you have a particular bugbear about this issue, that’s your opinion and I’ll respect that. But for the life of me, I can’t see why this particular issue might drive people into a howling frenzy. Yet venture below the line on any article mentioning it, and that’s exactly what you’ll see.

5. Islam
Sticking the word ‘Islam’ in an article is like lobbing a hand grenade into a hornet’s nest. Simply put: a lot of people have some very strong opinions on the subject—and they’re not afraid to let you know it. Unlike some of the entries here, the reason is pretty clear: a decade of news stories linking radical Islam to bomb attacks, assassinations and violent riots have left most of us in no doubt that we need to tackle religious extremism.But debates on Islam rarely focus on ‘extremism’. For whatever reason, a vocal minority of our online community have gotten used to speaking about it as a monolithic entity: as if there’s no difference between, say, a moderate Indonesian leading a regular life and a Sudanese extremist. What’s weird is how this rarely applies to any other religion. Can you imagine someone seriously being unable to differentiate between Oprah and Fred Phelps because they’re both Christian; or between Jerry Seinfeld and a member of Israel’s Ultra-Orthodox community? Well, apparently that’s how some people view 1.6bn of their fellow human beings.

4. Freedom of Speech
If there’s one thing the internet loves, it’s freedom of speech. We’re kinda libertarians in that respect: there’s little more likely to invoke the wrath of Anonymous than a serious attempt to curtail our right to it. However, it’s often taken as read that this freedom extends to anything and everything; and not everyone agrees.See, although freedom of speech may be enshrined in American law—to the extent that even scum like Westboro Baptist Church are constitutionally protected—the same logic does not apply elsewhere. In Germany, for example, it’s a criminal offense to display a Nazi flag and you WILL do time for it. In France, denying the holocaust can get you a prison sentence. The online clash usually comes when American ideology crashes up against European—with neither side willing to accept their system isn’t ‘best’. So let’s be honest here: free speech may be an idea worth fighting for, but just because parts of Europe have taken a different route on certain subjects does not make them any less ‘free’. Minor restrictions do not automatically make an Orwellian dystopia—any less than total freedom automatically results in the anarchic Wild West.

3. Climate Change
Most scientists wish the public would get excited about their chosen field. Mention awe-inspiring concepts like string theory, Hawking radiation or gravitons to the man on the street and he’ll probably go out of his way to avoid you. For climate scientists, however, it’s a case of ‘be careful what you wish for’.Thanks to decades of programs, books and blogs written on the subject, just about everyone now considers themselves an expert. And part of that expertise apparently involves shouting down the other side—bizarrely enough, for the exact same reason. Those who don’t believe in it see a vast conspiracy by scientists, liberals and other boogeymen to put us all in FEMA prison camps, while those who do see a vast conspiracy involving the Koch Brothers and big oil to manipulate the ‘sheeple’ into believing otherwise. It’s a perfect storm of paranoia centered around an issue most of us aren’t qualified to understand—and, every time someone brings it up, the sparks are sure to fly.

2. The Holocaust
As you may have noticed, I’ve tried to maintain a largely neutral tone on most of these. That won’t happen here. For whatever reason, despite the mountains of evidence and eyewitness testimony proving otherwise; there are still people out there who honestly believe the holocaust was either exaggerated or simply didn’t happen. And their brand of mental sickness is virulent enough to infect the comments section of any article that cares to mention it.There are a few things in the world that mark you out as a bad person; and denying the holocaust is one of them. It’s not just the extent of human suffering that occurred in moral blackholes like Auschwitz and Treblinka; or the sheer hatred required to send millions of Jews, gays, Poles and disabled people to certain death. It’s all that plus the stubborn refusal to learn from history—to pretend genocide never happened. And trust me, if there’s one mistake we never want to repeat from history, it’s this one.

1. Abortion
Here it is: the most-divisive issue you will ever encounter. With feelings running so high on both sides, it’s impossible to take any sort of stance on abortion without seeing the entire comment section explode in your face—so I’m remaining one hundred percent neutral on this one.You’re probably aware of the basic arguments. Pro-lifers believe with the utmost intensity that killing a fetus is as bad as killing a child. Pro-choice supporters believe with an identical passion that criminalizing abortion is State intrusion into women’s bodies, and completely incompatible with a free society. Politicians meanwhile try to search for a middle ground—a point where termination remains acceptable and a point where it unequivocally isn’t. But this is one argument that’s never going away: so long as there’s a human race it will continue to rage—and nowhere is this more apparent than on the internet. Now, I’m not going to make any value judgement on this, and I appreciate that people have strong feelings about it. But wouldn’t it be great if both sides could debate this and other issues—just once—without resorting to hysterical name-calling? I guess we’ll find out in the comments.
10 Topics Guaranteed to Start an Argument br MORR... (show quote)


For whoever thinks the holocaust was overblown or didn't happen lol, it's too late to talk to my uncle who saw his family killed in a death camp. However, what they did with Hitler Youth was go on a "walk" with them through the skeletons etc. Not a dry eye by the time they left kind of "We did that?"

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Mar 4, 2020 15:44:08   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Great debate topics but I have yet to see a mind changed either way in one of these on line debates. It's educational, yes, but lets be honest, there is no convincing any one, either way.


Oh, I think the alt.right were convinced, they started following me.

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Mar 4, 2020 15:45:07   #
Tug484
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
10 Topics Guaranteed to Start an Argument
MORRIS M.
Listverse. com

One of the great things about the internet is the way it opens up debate. Now we don’t just read a news story, we actively get involved below the line—broadcasting our opinion to millions. At its best, this sort of ‘below the line’ activity can throw up more interesting points than the article itself. At its worst… well, you only have to look at stories on any of these topics to see how opinions can polarize. For instance, good luck finding a rational debate on:

10. The Existence of God
One of humanity’s most-enduring questions is: ‘is there a God?’ For millennia, people have fought and killed each other over the issue and wasted a ton of ink justifying their opinions. So you’d think by now we’d have learned to debate the question sensibly. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.The trouble is, both sides (atheists and believers) have their minority of fundamentalists who will do their level-best to ‘win’ the argument by being as condescending as possible. Atheists accuse their religious counterparts of ‘believing in sky fairies’ and compare religious upbringing to child abuse; while the religious faction simply resort to attacking the concept of science.The weird thing is, most of us have probably met plenty of atheists and believers and never encountered a single lunatic. From personal experience, I know my Christian and atheist friends largely respect each other’s opinions and never try to ‘convert’ others to their side. In fact, watching a debate between these guys would likely be genuinely informative—so why is it only the diehards who ever make it onto message boards?

9. The Israel/Palestine Question
Around the world, there are dozens of ‘contested’ territories: Northern Ireland, Kashmir, the Falklands, Gibraltar and the Western Sahara, to name a few. Many of them have long, turbulent histories, periodically spill over into violence and one of them (Kashmir) nearly triggered a nuclear war. So why is it only the disputed Israeli/Palestinian border that whips up such emotion?Let’s be clear here: I’m not saying there’s nothing to get worked up about. The situation is undoubtedly tense, not-helped by such things as rocket attacks on Israel, Israeli airstrikes, the seizure of Palestinian land and the violently anti-Semitic propaganda prevalent in the region. If you have to deal with it on a daily basis it’s only natural you’d form a strong opinion. But what’s puzzling is how the entire internet has chosen this specific land-dispute to jump onto—and invested it with such emotion that rational argument becomes impossible.

8. Taxation
Tax is more-or-less a fact of life: none of us want to pay it, most of us don’t like what it gets spent on, but most of us use some of the stuff it buys—so we begrudgingly pay up. If we think about it much beyond that, it’s probably because we’ve either heard about some company refusing to pay a single cent; or some dumb government introducing a ridiculously unfair rate. But mention taxation on a message board and watch the lunatics come crawling out the woodwork.Now, to be fair, I’ve voiced some strong opinions on tax on these very pages. So feel free to call me a hypocrite. But I’ve never argued for a one hundred percent tax rate or literally equated taxation with slavery—which is what you’ll hear on any forum devoted to the topic. Like everything else on this list, it seems to be only the extremists who leave comments on these articles: the beret-wearing Che Guevara wanabees and Ayn Rand worshippers.

7. Feminism
As much as people like to get their hackles up at the thought of atheists and Christians or that chunk that comes out their paycheck each month, nothing compares to the vitriol evoked by feminism. Simply put: a good deal of the population seem to see the term as an invite to either spew violent misogyny or get into an oppression competition. And that’s before we even get onto the various strands of feminism that spend more time attacking each other than the patriarchy.Now, if we’re being honest, there are some forms of feminism that really do suck. Equally, a lot of serious articles about ‘men’s issues’ often get shouted down under sarcastic calls of ‘lolz what about teh menz?’ But the sheer hatred feminism seems to stir up is way out of proportion to any of this. After all, the basic concept is something we should all be able to get behind. For example: do you think everyone deserves equal pay for equal work, the freedom to make their own life choices and to live without the threat of violence, no matter what type of genitals they have? Then congratulations: you’re a feminist.

6. Circumcision
There are two types of circumcision: male and female. Female circumcision is better known by its more-truthful name ‘female genital mutilation’ (fgm) and everyone pretty-much agrees it’s a really bad thing. Male circumcision, on the other hand, is an absolute powder keg.That last link, by the way, goes to a representative article on the subject—if you have time, follow it and check the comments. That’s how most discussions about circumcision look: a whole mass of people screaming child abuse, threatening to call the police and comparing the practice to witch burning. To clarify: I’m not trying to take sides here. If you have a particular bugbear about this issue, that’s your opinion and I’ll respect that. But for the life of me, I can’t see why this particular issue might drive people into a howling frenzy. Yet venture below the line on any article mentioning it, and that’s exactly what you’ll see.

5. Islam
Sticking the word ‘Islam’ in an article is like lobbing a hand grenade into a hornet’s nest. Simply put: a lot of people have some very strong opinions on the subject—and they’re not afraid to let you know it. Unlike some of the entries here, the reason is pretty clear: a decade of news stories linking radical Islam to bomb attacks, assassinations and violent riots have left most of us in no doubt that we need to tackle religious extremism.But debates on Islam rarely focus on ‘extremism’. For whatever reason, a vocal minority of our online community have gotten used to speaking about it as a monolithic entity: as if there’s no difference between, say, a moderate Indonesian leading a regular life and a Sudanese extremist. What’s weird is how this rarely applies to any other religion. Can you imagine someone seriously being unable to differentiate between Oprah and Fred Phelps because they’re both Christian; or between Jerry Seinfeld and a member of Israel’s Ultra-Orthodox community? Well, apparently that’s how some people view 1.6bn of their fellow human beings.

4. Freedom of Speech
If there’s one thing the internet loves, it’s freedom of speech. We’re kinda libertarians in that respect: there’s little more likely to invoke the wrath of Anonymous than a serious attempt to curtail our right to it. However, it’s often taken as read that this freedom extends to anything and everything; and not everyone agrees.See, although freedom of speech may be enshrined in American law—to the extent that even scum like Westboro Baptist Church are constitutionally protected—the same logic does not apply elsewhere. In Germany, for example, it’s a criminal offense to display a Nazi flag and you WILL do time for it. In France, denying the holocaust can get you a prison sentence. The online clash usually comes when American ideology crashes up against European—with neither side willing to accept their system isn’t ‘best’. So let’s be honest here: free speech may be an idea worth fighting for, but just because parts of Europe have taken a different route on certain subjects does not make them any less ‘free’. Minor restrictions do not automatically make an Orwellian dystopia—any less than total freedom automatically results in the anarchic Wild West.

3. Climate Change
Most scientists wish the public would get excited about their chosen field. Mention awe-inspiring concepts like string theory, Hawking radiation or gravitons to the man on the street and he’ll probably go out of his way to avoid you. For climate scientists, however, it’s a case of ‘be careful what you wish for’.Thanks to decades of programs, books and blogs written on the subject, just about everyone now considers themselves an expert. And part of that expertise apparently involves shouting down the other side—bizarrely enough, for the exact same reason. Those who don’t believe in it see a vast conspiracy by scientists, liberals and other boogeymen to put us all in FEMA prison camps, while those who do see a vast conspiracy involving the Koch Brothers and big oil to manipulate the ‘sheeple’ into believing otherwise. It’s a perfect storm of paranoia centered around an issue most of us aren’t qualified to understand—and, every time someone brings it up, the sparks are sure to fly.

2. The Holocaust
As you may have noticed, I’ve tried to maintain a largely neutral tone on most of these. That won’t happen here. For whatever reason, despite the mountains of evidence and eyewitness testimony proving otherwise; there are still people out there who honestly believe the holocaust was either exaggerated or simply didn’t happen. And their brand of mental sickness is virulent enough to infect the comments section of any article that cares to mention it.There are a few things in the world that mark you out as a bad person; and denying the holocaust is one of them. It’s not just the extent of human suffering that occurred in moral blackholes like Auschwitz and Treblinka; or the sheer hatred required to send millions of Jews, gays, Poles and disabled people to certain death. It’s all that plus the stubborn refusal to learn from history—to pretend genocide never happened. And trust me, if there’s one mistake we never want to repeat from history, it’s this one.

1. Abortion
Here it is: the most-divisive issue you will ever encounter. With feelings running so high on both sides, it’s impossible to take any sort of stance on abortion without seeing the entire comment section explode in your face—so I’m remaining one hundred percent neutral on this one.You’re probably aware of the basic arguments. Pro-lifers believe with the utmost intensity that killing a fetus is as bad as killing a child. Pro-choice supporters believe with an identical passion that criminalizing abortion is State intrusion into women’s bodies, and completely incompatible with a free society. Politicians meanwhile try to search for a middle ground—a point where termination remains acceptable and a point where it unequivocally isn’t. But this is one argument that’s never going away: so long as there’s a human race it will continue to rage—and nowhere is this more apparent than on the internet. Now, I’m not going to make any value judgement on this, and I appreciate that people have strong feelings about it. But wouldn’t it be great if both sides could debate this and other issues—just once—without resorting to hysterical name-calling? I guess we’ll find out in the comments.
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I won't argue with you about that post.

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Mar 4, 2020 15:48:25   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
EmilyD wrote:
Yup! Agree!....although permafrost is a close second, and AirforceOne, third.....


permafrost is an enigma. Yes he's anti-Trump, but he's not a snowflake.

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Mar 4, 2020 15:53:55   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Good list, another one that seems quite controversial but shouldn't be is vaccinations.

My opinions on your (or listverse's) topics, being a libertarian, are quite simple.

1. The existence of God cannot be proven or disproven, so it's a moot point. If you choose to believe, fine. If you don't, that's fine too.

2. Israel/Palestine. There never was a Palestine state and Israel should be able to decide on its own whether or not to give up some of their land to people who want to kill them.

3. Taxes are a necessary evil, but are required to fund government, which is also a necessary evil. Having said that, taxes always are but never should be used to buy votes.

4. Feminism. I'll stick with Rush Limbaugh's definition of feminism. "Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream."

5. Circumcision. I didn't even know that was controversial, except concerning FGM. As for males, parents have rights and if they want to have their baby boy circumcised, it's nobody else's business.

6 Islam. Islam is probably the most evil religious sect on earth.

7. Free speech. In this country, free speech means you cannot be arrested for expressing opinions. Too many ignorant people think private platforms are required to allow all speech because there is a constitutional restriction against the government punishing it.

The idea that other countries which limit free speech are just as free as those that don't is patently ludicrous.

8. Climate Change. The fact that anybody believes the scaremongers concerning climate change is direct evidence of how bad our education systems have become.

9. Holocaust. The fact that anybody believes that the holocaust never happened is direct evidence of how bad our education systems have become.

10. Abortion. If you don't like abortion, then don't have one. If you want an abortion, get one, but if I didn't participate in making the fetus don't expect me to pay to abort it.
Good list, another one that seems quite controvers... (show quote)


Israel/Palestine. There never was a Palestine state and Israel should be able to decide on its own whether or not to give up some of their land to people who want to kill them

As early as 1947 the Palestineans had been invited to peace talks, that happened 5 times. Always no. So that was how they gave up 'their land.'

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Mar 4, 2020 15:54:04   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVzBYFwtb8E

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Mar 4, 2020 15:56:07   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Good list, another one that seems quite controversial but shouldn't be is vaccinations.

My opinions on your (or listverse's) topics, being a libertarian, are quite simple.

1. The existence of God cannot be proven or disproven, so it's a moot point. If you choose to believe, fine. If you don't, that's fine too.

2. Israel/Palestine. There never was a Palestine state and Israel should be able to decide on its own whether or not to give up some of their land to people who want to kill them.

3. Taxes are a necessary evil, but are required to fund government, which is also a necessary evil. Having said that, taxes always are but never should be used to buy votes.

4. Feminism. I'll stick with Rush Limbaugh's definition of feminism. "Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream."

5. Circumcision. I didn't even know that was controversial, except concerning FGM. As for males, parents have rights and if they want to have their baby boy circumcised, it's nobody else's business.

6 Islam. Islam is probably the most evil religious sect on earth.

7. Free speech. In this country, free speech means you cannot be arrested for expressing opinions. Too many ignorant people think private platforms are required to allow all speech because there is a constitutional restriction against the government punishing it.

The idea that other countries which limit free speech are just as free as those that don't is patently ludicrous.

8. Climate Change. The fact that anybody believes the scaremongers concerning climate change is direct evidence of how bad our education systems have become.

9. Holocaust. The fact that anybody believes that the holocaust never happened is direct evidence of how bad our education systems have become.

10. Abortion. If you don't like abortion, then don't have one. If you want an abortion, get one, but if I didn't participate in making the fetus don't expect me to pay to abort it.
Good list, another one that seems quite controvers... (show quote)


Vaccinations and climate change are on a par to me.

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Mar 4, 2020 16:02:38   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Would you follow this rule for murder, as long as it didn't involve your friends or family?


That ought to do it



Holocaust: Jews, Jypsies, everyone really.
muzzies: Met and killed very many in Afganistan and here. Both in combat situations. Met more than I'd like to.

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Mar 4, 2020 16:07:05   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Would you follow this rule for murder, as long as it didn't involve your friends or family?


That ought to do it



[qt]2. Israel/Palestine. There never was a Palestine state and Israel should be able to decide on its own whether or not to give up some of their land to people who want to kill them.[/quote]

Why do people insist upon the false argument that there never was s Palestinian state? By this logic, no new Nation could ever emerge....Israel didn't exist for some 2,000 years either.. And perhaps one should ask why they are trying to kill each other?

False argument that Palestine has refused to come to peace talks? History books. Btw, why do you trhink there is a great wall in Israel? Palestine is one of the terrorist states.

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Mar 4, 2020 16:10:35   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
hi, what a great topic, posts and replies by so many! This is my first time participating in OPP so this reply is a practice run for me to become adept at replying.

Roamin' Catholic


Hi,
I was trying to say welcome last night on a damn tablet that I can't work.

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Mar 4, 2020 16:19:20   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
bilordinary wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVzBYFwtb8E


I can't watch youtube, no sound.

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Mar 4, 2020 20:26:59   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
hi, what a great topic, posts and replies by so many! This is my first time participating in OPP so this reply is a practice run for me to become adept at replying.

Roamin' Catholic


Hello Roamin, welcome to opp. Things can get heated so try to have a thick skin some may be rough you will figure out who the troll are they come and go we welcome new ideas so jump in oh when you are answering a post hit the quote reply that way your answer to that person will show up with their post that way we know who your answering HAVE FUN

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Mar 4, 2020 20:48:24   #
MeadowFields
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
I can't watch youtube, no sound.


Do you get sound from other media?

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