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Mar 1, 2020 09:10:08   #
Singularity
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
They used it for warfare... Rockets and bombs...


Guns, Canuckus! GUNS!!!

You are not a true blue American.

It will most likely therefore remain incomprehensible to you.

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Mar 1, 2020 09:10:43   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Chamuco wrote:
Seriously?!?
Scientists have created LITERALLY ALL EXPLOSIVES from gun powder to TNT to Nuclear bombs.
Additionally.., biological and chemical weapons are the product of scientific invention.

Certainly, Religion [like Nationalism and the thirst for land and power] has been an element in justifying war but.., a Bible or the Koran are BOOKS containing IDEAS.
In the end.., it's the "sticks and stones".., not the "words" that accomplish the task of "hurting".

Possibly, like too many, you are unaware of how few wars have been caused as a result of religion. In the recently published book, “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare. While, for example, it is estimated that approximately one to three million people were tragically killed in the Crusades, and perhaps 3,000 in the Inquisition, nearly 35 million soldiers and civilians died in the senseless, and secular, slaughter of World War 1 alone.

I've found that those who jump to blaming religion for warfare or dismissing how scientific advances have contributed FAR MORE to the human carnage are WHOLLY OBTUSE.

Hell..., if climate change produces 10% the death which some predict.., it will be the product of SCIENTIFIC development [see internal combustion engine, et al].

I suggest you rethink your anti-faith perspective. Like science, faith produces benefits as well as liabilities.
Seriously?!? br Scientists have created LITERALLY ... (show quote)


Scientific advances have contributed to mankind's ability to murder one another... Science has started no wars...

Religion has played a large part in numerous conflicts.... It's been a deciding factor in far more than just the Crusades... (thd inquisition was not a war).... I notice you jumped over the myriad religious influences of the Second World War... Christianity, Jusiasm, Marxism (athiesm), and Shinto were all huge factors in that conflict...

I never blamed religion for warfare... I stayed that religion has caused more wars than science...

You are conflating cause and means...

Anti-faith? I am a practicing Christian... An for the record, faith and science aren't at odds...

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Mar 1, 2020 09:13:32   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
Guns, Canuckus! GUNS!!!

You are not a true blue American.

It will most likely therefore remain incomprehensible to you.


Linguistic ethnocentrism

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Mar 1, 2020 09:16:30   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Scientific advances have contributed to mankind's ability to murder one another... Science has started no wars...

Religion has played a large part in numerous conflicts.... It's been a deciding factor in far more than just the Crusades... (thd inquisition was not a war).... I notice you jumped over the myriad religious influences of the Second World War... Christianity, Jusiasm, Marxism (athiesm), and Shinto were all huge factors in that conflict...

I never blamed religion for warfare... I stayed that religion has caused more wars than science...

You are conflating cause and means...

Anti-faith? I am a practicing Christian... An for the record, faith and science aren't at odds...
Scientific advances have contributed to mankind's ... (show quote)


"Anti-faith? I am a practicing Christian... An for the record, faith and science aren't at odds.." -
Canuckus Deploracus

They aren't, but some do try.

We have both false religion and false science that muddy the water, that we have to contend with.

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Mar 1, 2020 09:18:04   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Correct...

But if you accept one sinful action but not another that is a problem...


If you condone or pretend its not a sin that is an even bigger problem. No one knows if Trump has repented. I know Christians who have done some horrible things in their lives but that is all behind them - they laid it at the cross and now live for Christ. He is their Lord and Savior.

Buttigieg has not repented since he lives in open rebellion.

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Mar 1, 2020 09:31:35   #
Singularity
 
Chamuco wrote:
Seriously?!?
Scientists have created LITERALLY ALL EXPLOSIVES from gun powder to TNT to Nuclear bombs.
Additionally.., biological and chemical weapons are the product of scientific invention.

Certainly, Religion [like Nationalism and the thirst for land and power] has been an element in justifying war but.., a Bible or the Koran are BOOKS containing IDEAS.
In the end.., it's the "sticks and stones".., not the "words" that accomplish the task of "hurting".

Possibly, like too many, you are unaware of how few wars have been caused as a result of religion. In the recently published book, “Encyclopedia of Wars,” authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare. While, for example, it is estimated that approximately one to three million people were tragically killed in the Crusades, and perhaps 3,000 in the Inquisition, nearly 35 million soldiers and civilians died in the senseless, and secular, slaughter of World War 1 alone.

I've found that those who jump to blaming religion for warfare or dismissing how scientific advances have contributed FAR MORE to the human carnage are WHOLLY OBTUSE.

Hell..., if climate change produces 10% the death which some predict.., it will be the product of SCIENTIFIC development [see internal combustion engine, et al].

I suggest you rethink your anti-faith perspective. Like science, faith produces benefits as well as liabilities.

FINALLY.., your assertion that banning "public prayer" is not banning prayer is RIDICULOUS at base.
Seriously?!? br Scientists have created LITERALLY ... (show quote)

Why did the millennial eat the Tide Pod? Because "it was there" seems an incomplete explanation.

You seem to fail to distinguish between 1) perception, 2) rational evaluation and judgement of input AND output and 3) executive functions, confusing motive and intent with physical outcome in your approbation of responsibility for human behavior.

Among other confusions.

As in our example, reported/imagined(?) here, one society is thought to have used TNT primarily for pretty celebrations and awesome displays of mystical seeming might. Another comes along and finds ways to kill each other with it, dragging the first into the fight out of pragmatic self preservation.

Sticks and stones can provide an occasion for people to kill themselves or others. We put up warning signs. Beware of Falling Rock! We put up barriers to warn people not to fall off tall rock formations. But, people murder people. Rocks and lumber may provide occasion for people to die or to devise methods of using the inanimate objects to their purposes, such as murder.

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Mar 1, 2020 09:32:11   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Rose42 wrote:
If you condone or pretend its not a sin that is an even bigger problem. No one knows if Trump has repented. I know Christians who have done some horrible things in their lives but that is all behind them - they laid it at the cross and now live for Christ. He is their Lord and Savior.

Buttigieg has not repented since he lives in open rebellion.


Yep!
Some hang ups are more difficult to give up.
Especially if the hang up is not considered a hang up by the transgressor of the Biblical Law.

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Mar 1, 2020 09:34:48   #
Singularity
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
None of us are


😤. . . . . 😢. . . . . 😬

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Mar 1, 2020 09:40:20   #
Singularity
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Linguistic ethnocentrism


Yeah. That.

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Mar 1, 2020 09:41:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
If you condone or pretend its not a sin that is an even bigger problem. No one knows if Trump has repented. I know Christians who have done some horrible things in their lives but that is all behind them - they laid it at the cross and now live for Christ. He is their Lord and Savior.

Buttigieg has not repented since he lives in open rebellion.


I don't condone sin...

I don't condone hypocrisy either...

If only we had some sort of statement from Trump concerning repenting or asking for forgiveness.... That would make everything much clearer...

I agree concerning Mayor Pete... He doesn't view it as sin... I do... Has nothing to do with his politics...

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Mar 1, 2020 09:41:45   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
😤. . . . . 😢. . . . . 😬



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Mar 1, 2020 09:44:52   #
Chamuco
 
eagleye13 wrote:
You put some good clarity/stats to this subject, Chamuco.


thanks.

i anxiously await Canuckus Deploracus' reply.

i'm not preparing to "hold my breath" on that one.

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Mar 1, 2020 09:47:22   #
Singularity
 
Rose42 wrote:
If you condone or pretend its not a sin that is an even bigger problem. No one knows if Trump has repented. I know Christians who have done some horrible things in their lives but that is all behind them - they laid it at the cross and now live for Christ. He is their Lord and Savior.

Buttigieg has not repented since he lives in open rebellion.


Matthew 5:31-32 in red letter JESUS WORDS
"18. Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. "

That is still in the top ten, right. Ten Commandments trumps Buttigieg's abomination by popularity.... By a 10/613 ratio!

President Trump remains married to a third wife while two others still live. Open rebellion.... lack of repentance?

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Mar 1, 2020 09:48:32   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Chamuco wrote:
thanks.

i anxiously await Canuckus Deploracus' reply.

i'm not preparing to "hold my breath" on that one.


I already replied...

You can let your breath out....

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Mar 1, 2020 09:49:01   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
Matthew 5:31-32)

18Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

President Trump remains married to a third wife while two others still live. Open rebellion.... lack of repentance?


Maybe he became a Christian after the third marriage

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