Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Unlike CNN and MSNBC, even the shows on Fox where people are allowed to express their own opinion are 100% reality based on actual events, and actual words spoken, not conjured out of thin air.

moldyoldy

fox is almost as famous for lies as trump, who has thousands documented.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

What leftist/liberal/godless/lawless channels consider documentation has not one iota of truth behind it.

Their personnel have no truth meter, no objective acquaintance with truth, and no ability to even wrap their minds around the concept.

President Donald Trump speaks his native NewYorkese, and the MSM can neither comprehend, or begin to keep up.

An exaggerator he is. A liar he is not.

moldyoldy

moldyoldy

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

The single tunnel belief that Conservatives only watch Fox, or that they watch Fox at all, for that matter, completely ignores everyone's individuality.

Personally, I no longer watch television, although Fox is the only remaining network where most of the on-camera personnel sees the world as it is, so I defend them.

Tucker Carlson is the only person I sometimes watch on YouTube video reruns.

I watch Lionel Nation, the Vermont Pagan, Andrew Klavan, Sargon of Akkad, Jericho Green, Paul Joseph Watson, and other independents on YouTube, but my information comes from reading and research.

I would never watch any media enterprise that endorses the godlessness of abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, or the lawlessness of open borders and the unscientific worship of Gaia, a.k.a., Climate Change.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Egads little lady, I heard you over here... lolol😁

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Nothing wrong with Fox.. I scan others too and vet different articles as we have to anymore... Most filled with such BS!!

But hey, we form our opinions and then take action from that!!! You too are a true Patriot, one of the things I so admire about you, as is Lori~~ no changing minds just because someone else disagrees!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Oh do you mean from any of these lyen fools??

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/

straightUp Loc: California

LOL - Look, I know you're a big Trump fan and I know how easily offended Trump fans get, so I'm not surprised you would be so offended by my statement. But honestly, I'm just going by the numbers and perhaps teasing you folks a (a little bit) with it. Look, until the impeachment happened, Trump's approval rating (not just among the GOP, but nationwide) never even reached 50%. As expected, the impeachment gave him a boost just as it did for Clinton, but there's good reason to believe that boost is reactionary and probably won't last for another 10 months.

Even more condemning are the voter registrations... Democrats are up by 12 million voters right now. That's four times the advantage they had during the 2016 elections, so if those numbers hold, the EC will have to bridge a greater gap than they did then, which means more EC voters will need to defect or more gerrymandering will be needed and gerrymandering *IS* a form of cheating.

There is also the fact that in 2016 the Democrats suffered one of the lowest voter turn-outs in their history, probably because of that spat with Hillary and Sanders and I'm sure because none of them thought Trump would actually win. That's highly unlikely to happen again in 2020.

Of course, I can't predict the future - none of us can, and yes, it IS possible that Trump could win without cheating, I never said said otherwise. But as always, the EC will determine the winner, and the popular vote will be the indicator on how much cheating went on. Put it this way...

1. If Trump wins the popular vote there will be no talk of cheating (at least from me).
2. If he wins the EC but loses the popular vote by a small margin, there maybe some questioning.
3. If he wins the EC but loses the popular vote by a large margin cheating will be highly suspect.

Of course the popular vote won't expose the manipulation of minds as a form of cheating. While I think the misinformation, so prevalent in the Trump campaign AND in foreign interference via social media is certainly dishonest I don't count that as "cheating" because ultimately the voters are responsible for their own votes.

son of witless

Okay okay, I will bite. What EXACTLY is this cheating Trump has done and will do to win. You put out a lot of vague accusations, which are not fair to me. If I am to prove you wrong, and I will, I must have concrete " Facts " to refute.

Again in your mind if Trump wins, he must have cheated. So go at it. Tell me how my boy Donald is accomplishing his skullduggery.

As far as misinformation, that is crap. Both sides can easily be accused of that. Give me more. If it pleases you

straightUp Loc: California

Let me do you a favor... You can save yourself some time and effort by not bothering to responding to me if you're just going to parrot right-wing media. Send me a link to Fox News and nothing else and I'm not going to read it. I'm here for discussions. I want to know what YOUR thoughts are. Links, I can get from Google.

Mikeyavelli

If Trump won with his purported 1% chance to beat Hilliar, he will certainly win this time with his increased popularity.

1ProudAmerican

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straightUp Loc: California

LOL - I love your confidence.

First, let me make this clear... I NEVER said Trump is responsible or will be responsible for the cheating in the elections. I'm not saying he isn't or won't be either, there's a lot neither of us know about and I'm not going to base my accusations on vague notions. In fact, I was I was being pretty dang specific with what I meant by cheating. IMO there are two forms of cheating, one of which I am willing to stake claims on. Here they are...

1. Gerrymandering: I *did* mention that in my post and really it couldn't be any more exact. Gerrymandering is identifiable because it changes the district maps... so, pretty obvious. The effects of gerrymandering can also be seen in the difference between popular and electoral counts. This is why I am willing to stake claims on this form of cheating... AFTER the votes are counted. Until then my "claim" is pure speculation which really isn't something you can "prove" one way or another. The best you can do is question my reasoning which I also explained already but I'll revisit that in a minute.

2. Voter suppression: I actually left this out of my previous post because even though I feel voter suppression is a much larger problem than gerrymandering, it's not as easy to track down or prove. For one, voter suppression affects the popular vote so the difference between the popular vote and the electoral vote will be completely ineffective in finding its impact. Indeed, the exposure of voter suppression requires in depth investigation, which will no doubt be obstructed.

So, if you're going to try and "prove me wrong" which I welcome you to try. You first need to understand what I am actually stating, so you know WHAT to disprove.

So let me set that up for you by being super-clear about what I am claiming. I'll just go back to the post you initially had an issue with... (https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/tpr?p=3159029&t=175876)

See where I said, "we all know Trump will lose the election in 2020 unless the Republicans succeed in rigging it" ???

Now let's look at your response... (https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/tpr?p=3159068&t=175876)
There you say this... "So your premise is that when President Trump wins, he cheated ?"

Sorry for exposing your lack of reading comprehension in front of everyone but as you can see, I never said Trump's victory would depend on HIM cheating... I said it would depend on the Republicans rigging the election. You obviously didn't catch that.

It's no big deal, I'm just letting you know that if you want to "prove me wrong", you need to drop the whole "he's accusing Trump of cheating" bit, because that isn't what I'm saying.

To answer your question about "What EXACTLY is this cheating"... Let's just go with all that gerrymandering the Republicans are doing as the example.

Finally, let's not lose sight of the fact that we ARE talking about the 2020 elections... which hasn't happened yet. So once again, that means I'm speculating. In other words, I'm not actually accusing anyone of actually cheating... YET. I am only suggesting that Trump's victory would depend on someone cheating, namely the Republicans at large. Again, it's speculation and as I already explained, this is based on the numbers I am seeing, such as the 12 million vote difference.

So... good luck trying to "prove me wrong" witless. I look forward to your attempts.