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Sorry, Trump: The Founders Would Want To Hear Impeachment Witnesses
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Feb 1, 2020 20:52:15   #
rumitoid
 
President Donald Trump without hearing any witnesses. In making this decision, I believe they should consider words spoken at the Constitutional Convention, when the Founders decided that an impeachment process was needed to provide a “regular examination,” to quote Benjamin Franklin.

A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

In my work as a law professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution, I’ve read statements made at the Constitutional Convention that demonstrate the Founders viewed impeachment as a regular practice, with three purposes:

To provide a fair and reliable method to resolve suspicions about misconduct;

To remind both the country and the president that he is not above the law;

To deter abuses of power.

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Feb 1, 2020 20:54:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
rumitoid wrote:
President Donald Trump without hearing any witnesses. In making this decision, I believe they should consider words spoken at the Constitutional Convention, when the Founders decided that an impeachment process was needed to provide a “regular examination,” to quote Benjamin Franklin.

A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

In my work as a law professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution, I’ve read statements made at the Constitutional Convention that demonstrate the Founders viewed impeachment as a regular practice, with three purposes:

To provide a fair and reliable method to resolve suspicions about misconduct;

To remind both the country and the president that he is not above the law;

To deter abuses of power.
President Donald Trump without hearing any witness... (show quote)


How does this make your case for including witnesses?

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Feb 1, 2020 20:55:44   #
Liberty Tree
 
rumitoid wrote:
President Donald Trump without hearing any witnesses. In making this decision, I believe they should consider words spoken at the Constitutional Convention, when the Founders decided that an impeachment process was needed to provide a “regular examination,” to quote Benjamin Franklin.

A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

In my work as a law professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution, I’ve read statements made at the Constitutional Convention that demonstrate the Founders viewed impeachment as a regular practice, with three purposes:

To provide a fair and reliable method to resolve suspicions about misconduct;

To remind both the country and the president that he is not above the law;

To deter abuses of power.
President Donald Trump without hearing any witness... (show quote)


Democrats wanted none of these . They just wanted Trump impeached from the minute he was elected.

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Feb 1, 2020 20:58:25   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
President Donald Trump without hearing any witnesses. In making this decision, I believe they should consider words spoken at the Constitutional Convention, when the Founders decided that an impeachment process was needed to provide a “regular examination,” to quote Benjamin Franklin.

A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

In my work as a law professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution, I’ve read statements made at the Constitutional Convention that demonstrate the Founders viewed impeachment as a regular practice, with three purposes:

To provide a fair and reliable method to resolve suspicions about misconduct;

To remind both the country and the president that he is not above the law;

To deter abuses of power.
President Donald Trump without hearing any witness... (show quote)
At what law school were you a professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution?

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Feb 2, 2020 00:37:41   #
JW
 
rumitoid wrote:
...A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed....


More advice from Ben Franklin:

In the letter, which was entitled "Advice to a Young Man on the Choice of a Mistress," Franklin advised: "In all your Amours, you should prefer old Women to young ones." He goes on to explain that with older women they tend to have more discretion, will take care of you when you're sick, are cleaner than prostitutes, and that "there is no hazard of children." He also offered that you can't really tell who's old or young when you're in the dark. https://www.biography.com/news/benjamin-franklin-ladies-man-famous-love-affairs-video

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Feb 2, 2020 07:20:50   #
cr
 
Why don't you just say that I want more witnesses because you can't stand the results?

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Feb 2, 2020 08:35:42   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
rumitoid wrote:
President Donald Trump without hearing any witnesses. In making this decision, I believe they should consider words spoken at the Constitutional Convention, when the Founders decided that an impeachment process was needed to provide a “regular examination,” to quote Benjamin Franklin.

A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

In my work as a law professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution, I’ve read statements made at the Constitutional Convention that demonstrate the Founders viewed impeachment as a regular practice, with three purposes:

To provide a fair and reliable method to resolve suspicions about misconduct;

To remind both the country and the president that he is not above the law;

To deter abuses of power.
President Donald Trump without hearing any witness... (show quote)


They did or weren't you watching

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Feb 2, 2020 09:01:56   #
TrueAmerican
 
rumitoid wrote:
President Donald Trump without hearing any witnesses. In making this decision, I believe they should consider words spoken at the Constitutional Convention, when the Founders decided that an impeachment process was needed to provide a “regular examination,” to quote Benjamin Franklin.

A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

In my work as a law professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution, I’ve read statements made at the Constitutional Convention that demonstrate the Founders viewed impeachment as a regular practice, with three purposes:

To provide a fair and reliable method to resolve suspicions about misconduct;

To remind both the country and the president that he is not above the law;

To deter abuses of power.
President Donald Trump without hearing any witness... (show quote)


They did have witnesses and documents the senate just didn't buy the house's bullshit evidence !!!!!!

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Feb 2, 2020 11:09:25   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How does this make your case for including witnesses?


He thinks that somehow, changing the rules any time it suits his agenda is the only fair and honest way to do business.

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Feb 2, 2020 12:41:18   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
TrueAmerican wrote:
They did have witnesses and documents the senate just didn't buy the house's bullshit evidence !!!!!!


You mistakenly rearranged your words.

Here, let me help you:

The bullshit senate didn't buy the house's evidence.

At least 51 senators didn't. 49 did and they can sleep better for trying.

The soul sellers will have the rest if their lives to regret their choices.

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Feb 2, 2020 13:46:41   #
EmilyD
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Democrats wanted none of these . They just wanted Trump impeached from the minute he was elected.

Nancy Pelosi said as much:
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/pelosi-admits-effort-impeach-trump-started-two-and-half-years-ago

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Feb 2, 2020 14:05:14   #
son of witless
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
At what law school were you a professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution?


You know what ? I'd like to hear that too. I had no idea that we had such distinguished folks in our company.

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Feb 2, 2020 15:10:59   #
Kazudy
 
rumitoid wrote:
President Donald Trump without hearing any witnesses. In making this decision, I believe they should consider words spoken at the Constitutional Convention, when the Founders decided that an impeachment process was needed to provide a “regular examination,” to quote Benjamin Franklin.

A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

In my work as a law professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution, I’ve read statements made at the Constitutional Convention that demonstrate the Founders viewed impeachment as a regular practice, with three purposes:

To provide a fair and reliable method to resolve suspicions about misconduct;

To remind both the country and the president that he is not above the law;

To deter abuses of power.
President Donald Trump without hearing any witness... (show quote)


Well I want a $15,000,000 mansion, a bunch of muscle cars, and the models for Victoria’s Secrets be my house maids. Would you get that for me. No! Why not? Of course , because you DON’t have to get it for me.

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Feb 2, 2020 18:02:06   #
Roger jr
 
rumitoid wrote:
President Donald Trump without hearing any witnesses. In making this decision, I believe they should consider words spoken at the Constitutional Convention, when the Founders decided that an impeachment process was needed to provide a “regular examination,” to quote Benjamin Franklin.

A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

In my work as a law professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution, I’ve read statements made at the Constitutional Convention that demonstrate the Founders viewed impeachment as a regular practice, with three purposes:

To provide a fair and reliable method to resolve suspicions about misconduct;

To remind both the country and the president that he is not above the law;

To deter abuses of power.
President Donald Trump without hearing any witness... (show quote)


Not a partisan impeachment process, for obvious reasons

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Feb 2, 2020 18:16:46   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
rumitoid wrote:
President Donald Trump without hearing any witnesses. In making this decision, I believe they should consider words spoken at the Constitutional Convention, when the Founders decided that an impeachment process was needed to provide a “regular examination,” to quote Benjamin Franklin.

A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Franklin, the oldest and probably wisest delegate at the Constitutional Convention, said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

In my work as a law professor studying original texts about the U.S. Constitution, I’ve read statements made at the Constitutional Convention that demonstrate the Founders viewed impeachment as a regular practice, with three purposes:

To provide a fair and reliable method to resolve suspicions about misconduct;

To remind both the country and the president that he is not above the law;

To deter abuses of power.
President Donald Trump without hearing any witness... (show quote)


I was listening to Senator Lamar Alexander on the radio while driving home Friday. He was explaining why he voted to not have any witnesses. His explanation boiled down to an argument that no President should ever be impeached!

The big problem will be a dangerous precedent but it will also leave a black mark on Trump. A large percentage of the American people will draw the conclusion that the entire trial was a , whitewash. Whatever happened to the GOP? Where are Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Wendell Willkie, Tom Dewey, George Aiken, Dean Davis, Ike Eisenhower, Gerry Ford, even Dick Nixon, now that we need them?

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