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Jan 31, 2020 14:40:46   #
TrueAmerican
 
jimpack123 wrote:
The Senate and the White House will be in play this November and the House of Representatives also, as it should be. there is a good chance that the GOP will lose control of the Senate, and a fifty fifty chance of losing the White House the American voters will decide this in Nov. the way it should be


And you are also entitled to your own personal delusion as well, ALL you lefties are !!!!!!

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Jan 31, 2020 14:40:53   #
Pariahjf
 
CarryOn wrote:
I totally agree with you that the Senate needs to end this now and not bring any witnesses at all. My comment was based on if witnesses were going to be brought in.

Giving the HOR what they want would set a horrible precedent ... the ability to jam up the Senate intentionally by hastily putting together some trumped up charges for AOI ... after a completely unfair trial by a handful of biased members ... and then expecting the Senate to use up precious time doing the HOR's dirty work for them. Meantime, the Senate cannot function. In this case, among other things, pelosi is effectively putting a hold on the Republicans' run on confirming judges. They have done a lot but have much more to do to finish the job before the next election, and she is trying to stop it. Regardless, it is a dangerous precedent to set for any future President facing the kind of bitterness and hatred we are seeing in this instance from a HOR run by the opposing party.

It appears as though this will not happen (witnesses), given announcements by Alexander and Murkowski, but it is not a done deal yet. I have no doubt "In it For Mitt" Romney is still running around behind the scenes trying to turn a few more Republican Senators into traitors such as himself.

Just sayin' if we must go down that road, I hope the Senate makes sure they get into the gory details of exactly how this thing got started ... and it is very obvious and very telling that the House Impeachment Leaders are attempting to hide that information.
I totally agree with you that the Senate needs to ... (show quote)



There was no trial in the HOR------their part is akin to the grand jury in criminal cases. Only probable cause for trial, in other words. The Senate is the trial, so witnesses should be heard from. My only question is this: by saying no witnesses, are they simply refusing witnesses for the trial or are they trying to protect themselves from having to testify about their own actions?

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Jan 31, 2020 14:41:55   #
TrueAmerican
 
Lonewolf wrote:
There were many republicans in that room most republicans didn't want to participate they would cover for trump no matter what he did !


Wanh wanh wanh !!!!!!

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Jan 31, 2020 14:46:58   #
TrueAmerican
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Because that wasn't the trial.


Poor little delusional psychotic, please continue to dream your liberal leftist lie !!!!!!

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Jan 31, 2020 14:49:50   #
Pariahjf
 
TrueAmerican wrote:
Poor little delusional psychotic, please continue to dream your liberal leftist lie !!!!!!


Not a leftist-----a realist. HOR = grand jury in criminal trials. SENATE = the trial in criminal trials. That's the analogy. So yes, it is a trial. Those are the facts.

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Jan 31, 2020 15:03:15   #
CarryOn
 
Pariahjf wrote:
There was no trial in the HOR------their part is akin to the grand jury in criminal cases. Only probable cause for trial, in other words. The Senate is the trial, so witnesses should be heard from. My only question is this: by saying no witnesses, are they simply refusing witnesses for the trial or are they trying to protect themselves from having to testify about their own actions?


I am aware there was no "trial" in the HOR ... and I should have used the word "investigation" instead of "trial" ... my mistake.

But there were plenty of witnesses ... witnesses brought forth by the democrats. Whether or not more witnesses are necessary should all have been handled by the HOR before finalizing their AOI and carrying out their ridiculous celebratory signing and their "solemn march" over to the Senate. They can whine all they want about the "time it takes to get through the courts" but that is the way it is done. Going through the courts to get subpoenas takes time for the Senate, too. So the Senate should tell them if they want more witnesses, they should retract these AOI, take their "solemn march" back to the HOR and finish the job they started ... and then bring them back for consideration by the Senate. Meantime, we have our own work to do. It is the HOR's job. They do not have a right to impose their responsibilities on others.

House leaders either have a solid and convincing case (which they claim) or they don't (in which case they need more witnesses).

As for your question, why would they need protection for their own actions? I don't recall any of them being on the hotseat in this ridiculous charade. I also believe that there are a lot of Republicans in both the HOR and the Senate who are secretly never-Trumpers (well, except for Romney, who is not so subtle about it), and would like to see him gone. If they thought that this would be their opportunity to get rid of him, they would jump on this extension of the trial in a heartbeat in the hopes that it would be his downfall. But they have not.

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Jan 31, 2020 15:06:54   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Not a leftist-----a realist. HOR = grand jury in criminal trials. SENATE = the trial in criminal trials. That's the analogy. So yes, it is a trial. Those are the facts.
Neither the HOR nor the Senate is a criminal court. Congress is the Legislative Branch of our government, it is not the Judicial Branch or the Department of Justice. Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal trial.

It is no surprise there are so many among us who are constitutional illiterates.

"Realist", my ass.

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Jan 31, 2020 16:51:08   #
Radiance3
 
Lonewolf wrote:
There were many republicans in that room most republicans didn't want to participate they would cover for trump no matter what he did !

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I hate repeating this, but for your dummy dishonest brain, lonely cat, here kity, kity.

Remember their unconstitutional House proceedings. They had all the opportunities to call witnesses. In fact they had already 17 called.

Process was done by Schitt, Nadler and Peglosi on a secret locked basement of the House. Prevented the GOP minority to participate in their proceedings. Prevented them to question their 17 of witnesses.
They claimed they had the sole power in Congress. But they don't have the sole power to change the constitution by preventing the GOP minority to question their witnesses. Such unconstitutional proceedings.

Then they arrived into a conclusion of offense against the president of Obstruction of Congress, and the Abuse of Power.

All of them were falsified, fabricated and not impeachable. Such in a hurry to bring the case to the Senate. Then then finalized these Articles of Impeachment. They want it done before Christmas.

But Peglosi held it for 33 days, before submitting to the Senate. When they presented to the Senate, the Senate is supposed to have the sole power to try impeachment.

But yet, Schitt monopolized the time at the hearing.
Still the Articles did not merit any of the cases of impeachable crimes of Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

All their Articles were debunked by the defense team of the president.

Then Schitt wanted more witnesses. They are done at the House already. Schitt wanted to go on over and over again, at the expense of the people for their criminal behavior of impeachment.

If you allow Schitt to continue his impeachment, it will set a precedence violating the constitution. It is dangerous, and the country will suffer. Schitt is so corrupt. He wanted change the whole constitutional process for him to impeach the president duly elected by the people.

Now, I demand to finalize this trial today, acquit the president and you people in Congress go back to do your real jobs.

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Jan 31, 2020 17:00:40   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I hate repeating this, but for your dummy dishonest brain, lonely cat, here it is again.

Remember their unconstitutional House proceedings. They had all the opportunities to call witnesses. In fact they had already 17 called.

Process was done by Schitt, Nadler and Peglosi on a secret locked basement of the House. Prevented the GOP minority to participate in their proceedings. Prevented them to question their 17 of witnesses.
They claimed they had the sole power in Congress. But they don't have the sole power to change the constitution by preventing the GOP minority in the process. Such unconstitutional behavior.

Then they arrived into a conclusion of offense against the president of Obstruction of Congress, and the Abuse of Power.

All of them were falsified, fabricated and not impeachable. Such in a hurry to bring the case to the Senate. Then then finalized these Articles of Impeachment. They want it done before Christmas.

But Peglosi held it for 33 days, before submitting to Congress. When they presented to the Senate, the Senate is supposed to have the sole power to try impeachment.

But yet, Schitt monopolized the time at the hearing.
Still the Articles did not merit any of the cases of impeachable crimes of Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

All their Articles were debunked by the defense team of the president.

Then Schitt wanted more witnesses. They are done at the House already. Schitt wanted to go on over and over again, at the expense of the people for their criminal behavior of impeachment.

If you allow Schitt to continue his impeachment, it will set a precedence violating the constitution. It is dangerous, and the country will suffer. Schitt is so corrupt. He wanted change the whole constitutional process for him to impeach the president duly elected by the people.

Now, I demand to finalize this trial, acquit the president and you people in Congress go back to do your real jobs.
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The trial will send on Saturday, but the damage is done the real trial ends in Nov. when the VOTERS get to decide. so let watch and see as it will be a fun summer and fall. Will Trump get Trumped ? will Biden stumble and let Bloomberg, buy the White House , who knows but I for one am gonna watch and enjoy the crying here on OPP

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Jan 31, 2020 17:05:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
jimpack123 wrote:
The trial will send on Saturday, but the damage is done the real trial ends in Nov. when the VOTERS get to decide. so let watch and see as it will be a fun summer and fall. Will Trump get Trumped ? will Biden stumble and let Bloomberg, buy the White House , who knows but I for one am gonna watch and enjoy the crying here on OPP
Be sure to lay in a good supply of tissues.

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Jan 31, 2020 17:06:33   #
Radiance3
 
jimpack123 wrote:
The trial will send on Saturday, but the damage is done the real trial ends in Nov. when the VOTERS get to decide. so let watch and see as it will be a fun summer and fall. Will Trump get Trumped ? will Biden stumble and let Bloomberg, buy the White House , who knows but I for one am gonna watch and enjoy the crying here on OPP

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Oh no, you are not worth my time. Good luck, but please get lost.

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Jan 31, 2020 17:26:54   #
Lonewolf
 
[quote=Radiance3]=============
I hate repeating this, but for your dummy dishonest brain, lonely cat, here kity, kity.

Remember their unconstitutional House proceedings. They had all the opportunities to call witnesses. In fact they had already 17 called.

Process was done by Schitt, Nadler and Peglosi on a secret locked basement of the House. Prevented the GOP minority to participate in their proceedings. Prevented them to question their 17 of witnesses.
They claimed they had the sole power in Congress. But they don't have the sole power to change the constitution by preventing the GOP minority to question their witnesses. Such unconstitutional proceedings.

Then they arrived into a conclusion of offense against the president of Obstruction of Congress, and the Abuse of Power.

All of them were falsified, fabricated and not impeachable. Such in a hurry to bring the case to the Senate. Then then finalized these Articles of Impeachment. They want it done before Christmas.

But Peglosi held it for 33 days, before submitting to the Senate. When they presented to the Senate, the Senate is supposed to have the sole power to try impeachment.

But yet, Schitt monopolized the time at the hearing.
Still the Articles did not merit any of the cases of impeachable crimes of Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

All their Articles were debunked by the defense team of the president.

Then Schitt wanted more witnesses. They are done at the House already. Schitt wanted to go on over and over again, at the expense of the people for their criminal behavior of impeachment.

If you allow Schitt to continue his impeachment, it will set a precedence violating the constitution. It is dangerous, and the country will suffer. Schitt is so corrupt. He wanted change the whole constitutional process for him to impeach the president duly elected by the people.

Now, I demand to finalize this trial today, acquit the president and you people in Congress go back to do your real jobs.
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not one republican made a case for it being unconstitutional not one

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Jan 31, 2020 19:26:31   #
Radiance3
 
[quote=Lonewolf][quote=Radiance3]=============
I hate repeating this, but for your dummy dishonest brain, lonely cat, here kity, kity.

Remember their unconstitutional House proceedings. They had all the opportunities to call witnesses. In fact they had already 17 called.

Process was done by Schitt, Nadler and Peglosi on a secret locked basement of the House. Prevented the GOP minority to participate in their proceedings. Prevented them to question their 17 of witnesses.
They claimed they had the sole power in Congress. But they don't have the sole power to change the constitution by preventing the GOP minority to question their witnesses. Such unconstitutional proceedings.

Then they arrived into a conclusion of offense against the president of Obstruction of Congress, and the Abuse of Power.

All of them were falsified, fabricated and not impeachable. Such in a hurry to bring the case to the Senate. Then then finalized these Articles of Impeachment. They want it done before Christmas.

But Peglosi held it for 33 days, before submitting to the Senate. When they presented to the Senate, the Senate is supposed to have the sole power to try impeachment.

But yet, Schitt monopolized the time at the hearing.
Still the Articles did not merit any of the cases of impeachable crimes of Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

All their Articles were debunked by the defense team of the president.

Then Schitt wanted more witnesses. They are done at the House already. Schitt wanted to go on over and over again, at the expense of the people for their criminal behavior of impeachment.

If you allow Schitt to continue his impeachment, it will set a precedence violating the constitution. It is dangerous, and the country will suffer. Schitt is so corrupt. He wanted change the whole constitutional process for him to impeach the president duly elected by the people.

Now, I demand to finalize this trial today, acquit the president and you people in Congress go back to do your real jobs.
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not one republican made a case for it being unconstitutional not one[/quote]
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I think you are really a lonely male kitty cat.
Here kity,kity!

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Feb 1, 2020 06:31:38   #
Tug484
 
factnotfiction wrote:
And no matter what the liars say, the real reason is that the repukes fear that a lengthy trial will affect trumps re-election.

But because of the cowardice of the repuke senators, the senate will be in play in November.




https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/us/politics/impeachment-witnesses.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage



Wrong!

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Feb 1, 2020 09:42:18   #
Mike Papa
 
You want republicans show what a witness is

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