Dershowitz lays it on the table: Abuse of power is just too vague.
He said that "all future presidents who serve with opposing legislative majorities" now face the "realistic threat" of enduring "vague charges of abuse or obstruction," and added that a "long list" of presidents have previously been accused of "abuse of power" in various contexts without being formally impeached.
The list included George Washington, who refused to turn over documents related to the Jay Treaty; John Adams, who signed and enforced the so-called "Alien and Sedition Acts"; Thomas Jefferson, who flat-out purchased Louisiana without any kind of congressional authorization whatosever; John Tyler, who notoriously used and abused the veto power; James Polk, who allegedly disregarded the Constitution and usurped the role of Congress; and Abraham Lincoln, who suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and others would also probably face impeachment using the Democrats' rules, Dershowitz said.
"Abuse of power," he argued, has been a "promiscuously deployed" and "vague" term throughout history. It should remain a merely "political weapon" fit for "campaign rhetoric," Dershowitz said, as it has no standard definition nor meaningful constitutional relevance.
nwtk2007 wrote:
He said that "all future presidents who serve with opposing legislative majorities" now face the "realistic threat" of enduring "vague charges of abuse or obstruction," and added that a "long list" of presidents have previously been accused of "abuse of power" in various contexts without being formally impeached.
The list included George Washington, who refused to turn over documents related to the Jay Treaty; John Adams, who signed and enforced the so-called "Alien and Sedition Acts"; Thomas Jefferson, who flat-out purchased Louisiana without any kind of congressional authorization whatosever; John Tyler, who notoriously used and abused the veto power; James Polk, who allegedly disregarded the Constitution and usurped the role of Congress; and Abraham Lincoln, who suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and others would also probably face impeachment using the Democrats' rules, Dershowitz said.
"Abuse of power," he argued, has been a "promiscuously deployed" and "vague" term throughout history. It should remain a merely "political weapon" fit for "campaign rhetoric," Dershowitz said, as it has no standard definition nor meaningful constitutional relevance.
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That's almost as good as the BS defense he threw up for Trumps pal Epstein.
Kevyn wrote:
That's almost as good as the BS defense he threw up for Trumps pal Epstein.
As a good attorney, familiar with the law, it worked because he knows the law. Law/words matter.
nwtk2007 wrote:
He said that "all future presidents who serve with opposing legislative majorities" now face the "realistic threat" of enduring "vague charges of abuse or obstruction," and added that a "long list" of presidents have previously been accused of "abuse of power" in various contexts without being formally impeached.
The list included George Washington, who refused to turn over documents related to the Jay Treaty; John Adams, who signed and enforced the so-called "Alien and Sedition Acts"; Thomas Jefferson, who flat-out purchased Louisiana without any kind of congressional authorization whatosever; John Tyler, who notoriously used and abused the veto power; James Polk, who allegedly disregarded the Constitution and usurped the role of Congress; and Abraham Lincoln, who suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and others would also probably face impeachment using the Democrats' rules, Dershowitz said.
"Abuse of power," he argued, has been a "promiscuously deployed" and "vague" term throughout history. It should remain a merely "political weapon" fit for "campaign rhetoric," Dershowitz said, as it has no standard definition nor meaningful constitutional relevance.
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You mean, like Obama had to endure all those years?
You folks sure have very short memories don't ya.
nwtk2007 wrote:
He said that "all future presidents who serve with opposing legislative majorities" now face the "realistic threat" of enduring "vague charges of abuse or obstruction," and added that a "long list" of presidents have previously been accused of "abuse of power" in various contexts without being formally impeached.
The list included George Washington, who refused to turn over documents related to the Jay Treaty; John Adams, who signed and enforced the so-called "Alien and Sedition Acts"; Thomas Jefferson, who flat-out purchased Louisiana without any kind of congressional authorization whatosever; John Tyler, who notoriously used and abused the veto power; James Polk, who allegedly disregarded the Constitution and usurped the role of Congress; and Abraham Lincoln, who suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and others would also probably face impeachment using the Democrats' rules, Dershowitz said.
"Abuse of power," he argued, has been a "promiscuously deployed" and "vague" term throughout history. It should remain a merely "political weapon" fit for "campaign rhetoric," Dershowitz said, as it has no standard definition nor meaningful constitutional relevance.
He said that "all future presidents who serve... (
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The "scholar" that openly said most legal minds do not agree with his views, which by the way sound sort of like the crap Barr believes, that the president cant be held accountable, no sense even investigating him since he can't be indicted.
And actually obstruction is an actual crime and there are a lot of people in jail for it.
woodguru wrote:
The "scholar" that openly said most legal minds do not agree with his views, which by the way sound sort of like the crap Barr believes, that the president cant be held accountable, no sense even investigating him since he can't be indicted.
And actually obstruction is an actual crime and there are a lot of people in jail for it.
The Dersh is a liberal like you call yourself. It makes me laugh to watch you turn on your own when they tell the truth instead of what you want to hear.
I thought it was great that Elizabeth Warren admitted she didn’t understand what Dershowitz was telling us. And she thinks she could run the country. When she pledged to protect and honor the Constitution, did she even know what was in the Constitution. Apparently not.
I thought it was great that Elizabeth Warren admitted she didn’t understand what Dershowitz was telling us. And she thinks she could run the country. When she pledged to protect and honor the Constitution, did she even know what was in the Constitution. Apparently not.
lpnmajor wrote:
You mean, like Obama had to endure all those years?
You folks sure have very short memories don't ya.
He's talking future tense, not past tense. I know Obama was given a hard time but, looking back it is easy to see why but he wasn't impeached and he has done much, much lesser deeds than Trump. If the GOP was as unhinged as todays dem's, Obama would not have survived his first term due to impeachment.
Carol Kelly wrote:
I thought it was great that Elizabeth Warren admitted she didn’t understand what Dershowitz was telling us. And she thinks she could run the country. When she pledged to protect and honor the Constitution, did she even know what was in the Constitution. Apparently not.
It's hard for the former Native American.
nwtk2007 wrote:
He said that "all future presidents who serve with opposing legislative majorities" now face the "realistic threat" of enduring "vague charges of abuse or obstruction," and added that a "long list" of presidents have previously been accused of "abuse of power" in various contexts without being formally impeached.
The list included George Washington, who refused to turn over documents related to the Jay Treaty; John Adams, who signed and enforced the so-called "Alien and Sedition Acts"; Thomas Jefferson, who flat-out purchased Louisiana without any kind of congressional authorization whatosever; John Tyler, who notoriously used and abused the veto power; James Polk, who allegedly disregarded the Constitution and usurped the role of Congress; and Abraham Lincoln, who suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and others would also probably face impeachment using the Democrats' rules, Dershowitz said.
"Abuse of power," he argued, has been a "promiscuously deployed" and "vague" term throughout history. It should remain a merely "political weapon" fit for "campaign rhetoric," Dershowitz said, as it has no standard definition nor meaningful constitutional relevance.
He said that "all future presidents who serve... (
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Consider this: Having an Executive Order blocked by the SCOTUS could be grounds for removal?
How many presidents would have survived their first year in office?
nwtk2007 wrote:
He said that "all future presidents who serve with opposing legislative majorities" now face the "realistic threat" of enduring "vague charges of abuse or obstruction," and added that a "long list" of presidents have previously been accused of "abuse of power" in various contexts without being formally impeached.
The list included George Washington, who refused to turn over documents related to the Jay Treaty; John Adams, who signed and enforced the so-called "Alien and Sedition Acts"; Thomas Jefferson, who flat-out purchased Louisiana without any kind of congressional authorization whatosever; John Tyler, who notoriously used and abused the veto power; James Polk, who allegedly disregarded the Constitution and usurped the role of Congress; and Abraham Lincoln, who suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and others would also probably face impeachment using the Democrats' rules, Dershowitz said.
"Abuse of power," he argued, has been a "promiscuously deployed" and "vague" term throughout history. It should remain a merely "political weapon" fit for "campaign rhetoric," Dershowitz said, as it has no standard definition nor meaningful constitutional relevance.
He said that "all future presidents who serve... (
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It was all about policy differences. There was no abuse of power by president Trump. All prior presidents had that policy differences.
Barack Obama had abuse of power I am sure. But given all the freedom to abuse.
Gatsby wrote:
Consider this: Having an Executive Order blocked by the SCOTUS could be grounds for removal?
How many presidents would have survived their first year in office?
None. Even George Washington was accused of Abuse of Power. It's why we have a judicial branch of gov. If a president does something that others think he can't, we can ask the judicial branch to tell us if he can or not.
Kevyn wrote:
That's almost as good as the BS defense he threw up for Trumps pal Epstein.
I thought it was Bill Clinton that was Epstein's Pal. After he flew on the Lolita express at least 26 times.
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