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Jan 20, 2020 19:59:48   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Just what do you think will happen if any ( you name them) witnesses get to testify??

trump said all those people would exonerate him and then blocked them from testifying..

What is this ALL, that you think will come into play???


The corruption of the Bidens and Obama's complicity with it. The dishonesty of Schiff and the dems; their willingness to fake evidence/fake a whistleblower/alter facts/etc. And that's just the beginning.

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Jan 21, 2020 08:41:17   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Kevyn wrote:
Key House Democrats pressing the Senate to hear from new witnesses in President Trump’s impeachment trial are leaving the door open to another possibility: calling those witnesses themselves if Senate Republicans do not.
House Democrats impeached Trump last month on two charges related to his handling of foreign policy in Ukraine, but their investigations into the issue remain open even as the spotlight turns to the launch of the Senate trial.
Democrats in both chambers are hoping the emergence of new evidence and eyewitness offers to testify will force Senate GOP leaders to consider the unexplored information, including captivating details of Trump’s pressure campaign recently provided by Lev Parnas, a Soviet-born businessman with close ties to Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
Key House Democrats pressing the Senate to hear fr... (show quote)




Really???,
What about the constitution?
According to the constitution, the Senate is to judge the case based solely on the articles of impeachment.
It is solely upon Congress to have already called witnesses and have a iron clad case. Did not Schiff, Nader, Pelosi state multiple times that they had iron clad evidence that unquestionably would remove Trump.....(Rhetorical) yes.
According to the constitution no further witnesses are needed to be called by the senate.
Leftist journalists can spin this the same way Congress is , screaming fair trial but that was already the job of Congress and they failed every turn in their "unfair" by not allowing the right any witnesses, not allowing Trump to testify, not allowing Trump's attorneys to call witnesses as part of the articles of impeachment.
Chock this up along with the other fake Muller report, Russian collusion, the ten paid women to lie, obstruction and every lie Pelosi, Schiff, Nader and other leftist lying Congress shames can come up with.
Gee it's no wonder Democrats are leaving the now leftist "Democrat" party taken over by marxists/communist/socialist.

Good luck

Jack

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Jan 21, 2020 10:53:32   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Really???,
What about the constitution?
According to the constitution, the Senate is to judge the case based solely on the articles of impeachment.
It is solely upon Congress to have already called witnesses and have a iron clad case. Did not Schiff, Nader, Pelosi state multiple times that they had iron clad evidence that unquestionably would remove Trump.....(Rhetorical) yes.
According to the constitution no further witnesses are needed to be called by the senate.
Leftist journalists can spin this the same way Congress is , screaming fair trial but that was already the job of Congress and they failed every turn in their "unfair" by not allowing the right any witnesses, not allowing Trump to testify, not allowing Trump's attorneys to call witnesses as part of the articles of impeachment.
Chock this up along with the other fake Muller report, Russian collusion, the ten paid women to lie, obstruction and every lie Pelosi, Schiff, Nader and other leftist lying Congress shames can come up with.
Gee it's no wonder Democrats are leaving the now leftist "Democrat" party taken over by marxists/communist/socialist.

Good luck

Jack
Really???, br What about the constitution? br Acc... (show quote)


We are still waiting for Schiff to produce his iroon clad evidence of Trump colluding with Russia!!

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Jan 21, 2020 12:28:25   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The corruption of the Bidens and Obama's complicity with it. The dishonesty of Schiff and the dems; their willingness to fake evidence/fake a whistleblower/alter facts/etc. And that's just the beginning.


Again... what the heck is so difficult to understand.. the impeachment was all about trump only..

Biden??? not even part of the administration..

If you think any of these other people you mention need investigations work to do so..

But they have not a thing to do with trump removal from office, which is the remaining step..



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Jan 21, 2020 13:07:00   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Again... what the heck is so difficult to understand.. the impeachment was all about trump only..

Biden??? not even part of the administration..

If you think any of these other people you mention need investigations work to do so..

But they have not a thing to do with trump removal from office, which is the remaining step..


Your obstinate belief here is note worthy if not grossly misplaced. The whole thing began with Trump asking for a favor from the Ukraine to look into Crowdstrike regarding the previous election and a suggestion from Trump that they might want to look into potential corruption involving the Biden's and Burisma. (It's one of the kickers about all this, how you haters have misrepresented Trump's call.) I guess you think the Biden's are immune from any look into this because Joe decided to run for president. LOL! Y'all also seem to think Trump can't use his power and influence to even mildly manipulate another country to do something and yet Joe Biden himself has openly bragged about exactly that in his efforts to coerce Ukraine into getting rid of the prosecutor looking into his and his son's potential corruption. LOLOL! That too, is a misrepresentation. In fact, old Joe and Obama have, by that act, set up the precedent of manipulating/coercing/bribing other countries which, in fact, the president didn't even do as far as any fact witness can say. Oh that "thought" that "maybe" that was the case but it seems Ukraine didn't even know about any pressure and since Trump released the funding before Oct 1st, he didn't even violate the "law" that says he "had to" release the funds. Interesting, indeed.

Precedent's matter in court, do they not?? But still, as you claim, it's only about Trump; the Biden's aren't even to be considered in the grand scheme of the democrats and their attempts to over throw a sitting American president as they have claimed they planned to so since before he was even sworn in. LOLOL! Sure, what ever delusion you want to live with is fine with me.

Me thinks you have been too indoctrinated by the Trump hating media who have manufactured so much of this narrative which y'all happily regurgitate over and over again. Do you think the entire Mueller investigation was initiated legally? Probably you do. You are fine with how the FBI/CIA/DNC paid a foreign national to get other foreign nationals to "provide" damning fictional information to build a phony "dossier" to lie and fool a FISA judge into giving them cart blanch to spy on an American citizen, I'm sure. No worries there, weaponizing the FBI and CIA that way! LOL! It's even worse that when they weaponized the IRS trying to under cut funding by conservative PAC's; note Lois Lerner's many pleas of the 5th! LOLOL!

You see, in defense, the president can show how this is just politics via the democrats and Trump haters in their attempted grab for power; demonstrating the unconstitutional nature of the entire impeachment as is evidenced by it's pure partisan nature.

In short, despite you people thinking this is ONLY about Trump, we are going to have a field day with this unless they let it go and allow for a quick acquittal, don't cha know!!!!!!

Now, let us begin!

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Jan 21, 2020 13:13:22   #
greenmountaineer Loc: Vermont
 
Noraa wrote:
The Dems had their chance to call all the witnesses they wanted or subpoena them. If they hadn't been in such a rush to impeach all this "new" info would have come out. The Senate has no obligation to do what Nancy wants now. If witnesses are called I believe the Dems will be running for the hills.


They did subpoena a lot of witnesses, but many of those witnesses refused to comply because the President ordered them to ignore the subpoenas. If the Senate doesn't make this a fair trial, our President will always have the reputation of being corrupt. If he has done nothing wrong, then a fair trial is the only way to show that the Democrats did this merely for partisan political reasons. If he has done nothing wrong, then he has nothing to fear.

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Jan 21, 2020 13:19:15   #
boulderjack
 
HellO ms presedent or possibly Case Law setting Presedent because of it's new shine and oddness ... if and i use the word loosely......if there are no witnesses or evidentiary documents allowed in this Trial then that may end up producing a legal precedent for the ages ! to all of us however the aftermath would be "FALLOUT" to be dealt with later on! and Mr Magoo majority leader will be so proud !

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Jan 21, 2020 13:38:50   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
boulderjack wrote:
HellO ms presedent or possibly Case Law setting Presedent because of it's new shine and oddness ... if and i use the word loosely......if there are no witnesses or evidentiary documents allowed in this Trial then that may end up producing a legal precedent for the ages ! to all of us however the aftermath would be "FALLOUT" to be dealt with later on! and Mr Magoo majority leader will be so proud !


The evil precedent here is that it is allowed to go forward based upon a purely partisan vote to impeach, exactly what the founders meant to never happen. Now it'll become a regular thing every time the president is of a different party that the House majority.

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Jan 21, 2020 13:39:42   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
greenmountaineer wrote:
They did subpoena a lot of witnesses, but many of those witnesses refused to comply because the President ordered them to ignore the subpoenas. If the Senate doesn't make this a fair trial, our President will always have the reputation of being corrupt. If he has done nothing wrong, then a fair trial is the only way to show that the Democrats did this merely for partisan political reasons. If he has done nothing wrong, then he has nothing to fear.


They didn't subpoena Bolton. And they have some legal means to get those subpoenas enforced, but they didn't want to wait.

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Jan 21, 2020 14:45:07   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Kevyn wrote:
Key House Democrats pressing the Senate to hear from new witnesses in President Trump’s impeachment trial are leaving the door open to another possibility: calling those witnesses themselves if Senate Republicans do not.
House Democrats impeached Trump last month on two charges related to his handling of foreign policy in Ukraine, but their investigations into the issue remain open even as the spotlight turns to the launch of the Senate trial.
Democrats in both chambers are hoping the emergence of new evidence and eyewitness offers to testify will force Senate GOP leaders to consider the unexplored information, including captivating details of Trump’s pressure campaign recently provided by Lev Parnas, a Soviet-born businessman with close ties to Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
Key House Democrats pressing the Senate to hear fr... (show quote)
Witnesses to what? Neither abuse of power nor obstruction of congress are impeachable offenses, so what the hell do they need witnesses for?

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Jan 21, 2020 15:13:47   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Your obstinate belief here is note worthy if not grossly misplaced. The whole thing began with Trump asking for a favor from the Ukraine to look into Crowdstrike regarding the previous election and a suggestion from Trump that they might want to look into potential corruption involving the Biden's and Burisma. (It's one of the kickers about all this, how you haters have misrepresented Trump's call.) I guess you think the Biden's are immune from any look into this because Joe decided to run for president. LOL! Y'all also seem to think Trump can't use his power and influence to even mildly manipulate another country to do something and yet Joe Biden himself has openly bragged about exactly that in his efforts to coerce Ukraine into getting rid of the prosecutor looking into his and his son's potential corruption. LOLOL! That too, is a misrepresentation. In fact, old Joe and Obama have, by that act, set up the precedent of manipulating/coercing/bribing other countries which, in fact, the president didn't even do as far as any fact witness can say. Oh that "thought" that "maybe" that was the case but it seems Ukraine didn't even know about any pressure and since Trump released the funding before Oct 1st, he didn't even violate the "law" that says he "had to" release the funds. Interesting, indeed.

Precedent's matter in court, do they not?? But still, as you claim, it's only about Trump; the Biden's aren't even to be considered in the grand scheme of the democrats and their attempts to over throw a sitting American president as they have claimed they planned to so since before he was even sworn in. LOLOL! Sure, what ever delusion you want to live with is fine with me.

Me thinks you have been too indoctrinated by the Trump hating media who have manufactured so much of this narrative which y'all happily regurgitate over and over again. Do you think the entire Mueller investigation was initiated legally? Probably you do. You are fine with how the FBI/CIA/DNC paid a foreign national to get other foreign nationals to "provide" damning fictional information to build a phony "dossier" to lie and fool a FISA judge into giving them cart blanch to spy on an American citizen, I'm sure. No worries there, weaponizing the FBI and CIA that way! LOL! It's even worse that when they weaponized the IRS trying to under cut funding by conservative PAC's; note Lois Lerner's many pleas of the 5th! LOLOL!

You see, in defense, the president can show how this is just politics via the democrats and Trump haters in their attempted grab for power; demonstrating the unconstitutional nature of the entire impeachment as is evidenced by it's pure partisan nature.

In short, despite you people thinking this is ONLY about Trump, we are going to have a field day with this unless they let it go and allow for a quick acquittal, don't cha know!!!!!!

Now, let us begin!
Your obstinate belief here is note worthy if not g... (show quote)




Damn, you do not read anything do you.. Other than the right wing instructions of what you should echo, do you have any remote idea about what happened with Ukraine?? clearly you do not. yet you think somehow this abuse of power and obstruction of congress can be pinned on any democrate who you dicide to chose..

All of you are a damn bunch of American hating scum bags.. all sprayed orange and kissing the ring of your cult leader..

What a hopeless chunk of our population.. makes a man sad to include such stinkers in our society..



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Jan 21, 2020 15:18:19   #
boulderjack
 
okay okay okay, please feel free to complain later on ... i believe wittnesses will prwvail and also the documents too there i said it and wait for the sonic Boom !!!

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Jan 21, 2020 15:25:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Witnesses to what? Neither abuse of power nor obstruction of congress are impeachable offenses, so what the hell do they need witnesses for?


Now you only echo the current comments of trump lawyer team, but you never mention what was said when Bill Clinton had a roll...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dershowitzs-1998-comments-impeachment-resurface-ahead-trump-trial/story?id=68409934

But Dershowitz appeared to make a very different argument in 1998 when he appeared on CNN’s "Larry King Live" and said impeachment didn’t require the president to commit a crime.

"It certainly doesn't have to be a crime if you have somebody who completely corrupts the office of president and who abuses trust and who poses great danger to our liberty, you don't need a technical crime,” he said in comments unearthed by CNN.



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Jan 21, 2020 15:26:40   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Damn, you do not read anything do you.. Other than the right wing instructions of what you should echo, do you have any remote idea about what happened with Ukraine?? clearly you do not. yet you think somehow this abuse of power and obstruction of congress can be pinned on any democrate who you dicide to chose..

All of you are a damn bunch of American hating scum bags.. all sprayed orange and kissing the ring of your cult leader..

What a hopeless chunk of our population.. makes a man sad to include such stinkers in our society..
Damn, you do not read anything do you.. Other than... (show quote)


"do you have any remote idea about what happened with Ukraine?? clearly you do not."

Why don't you tell us, then?

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Jan 21, 2020 15:30:49   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
"do you have any remote idea about what happened with Ukraine?? clearly you do not."

Why don't you tell us, then?



It will do not good to give you the truth, it is common knowledge world over, yet it remains news to the orange cult.. you reject these facts just as you reject all truth and information..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal

The Trump–Ukraine scandal is an ongoing political scandal in the United States. It revolves around efforts by U.S. President Donald Trump to coerce Ukraine and other foreign countries into providing damaging narratives about 2020 Democratic Party presidential primary candidate Joe Biden as well as information relating to Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Trump enlisted surrogates within and outside his official administration, including his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr, to pressure Ukraine and other foreign governments to cooperate in supporting conspiracy theories concerning American politics.[1][2][3][4][5] Trump blocked but later released payment of a congressionally mandated $400 million military aid package to allegedly obtain quid pro quo cooperation from Volodymyr Zelensky, the president of Ukraine. A number of contacts were established between the White House and the government of Ukraine, culminating in a July 25, 2019, phone call between Trump and Zelensky.[1][2][3][6]

The scandal reached public attention in mid-September 2019 due to a whistleblower complaint made in August 2019.[7] The complaint raised concerns about Trump using presidential powers to solicit foreign electoral intervention in the 2020 U.S. presidential election.[8] The Trump White House has corroborated several allegations raised by the whistleblower. A non-verbatim transcript of the Trump–Zelensky call confirmed that Trump requested investigations into Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden, as well as a conspiracy theory involving a Democratic National Committee server, while repeatedly urging Zelensky to work with Giuliani and Barr on these matters.[9][10] The White House also confirmed that a record of the call had been stored in a highly restricted system.[11][12] White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said one reason why Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine was Ukrainian "corruption related to the DNC server", referring to a debunked theory that Ukrainians framed Russia for hacking into the DNC computer system.[13] Trump has also publicly urged Ukraine and China to investigate the Bidens.[14] The Trump administration's top diplomat to Ukraine, Bill Taylor, testified that he was told U.S. military aid to Ukraine and a Trump–Zelensky White House meeting were conditioned on Zelensky publicly announcing investigations into the Bidens and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections.[15] U.S. ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland testified that he worked with Giuliani at Trump's "express direction" to arrange a quid pro quo with the Ukraine government.[16]

On September 24, 2019, the House of Representatives began a formal impeachment inquiry into Trump, led by six House committees.[17] On October 31, 2019, the House of Representatives voted to approve guidelines for the next phase of the impeachment inquiry.[18]

On December 3, 2019, as part of the impeachment inquiry, the House Intelligence Committee published a 300-page report detailing that "the impeachment inquiry has found that President Trump, personally and acting through agents within and outside of the U.S. government, solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, to benefit his reelection. In furtherance of this scheme, President Trump conditioned official acts on a public announcement by the new Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, of politically-motivated investigations, including one into President Trump's domestic political opponent. In pressuring President Zelensky to carry out his demand, President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine."[19]:8 In January 2020, the Government Accountability Office, a non-partisan watchdog, concluded that the White House broke federal law by withholding Congress-approved military aid to Ukraine.[20]

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