" As you say, we can not know if any effort helps to dodge such a huge event.. so what is wrong with doing the good work and then, knowing the right wing you could and would crow that we never had an issue at all . how could anyone tell you otherwise.. but still you do not want any effort to be made.. strange group of non doers over on the right.. "

I am sorry. Your wording is a little confusing. I can only infer that you mistyped a little. What I guess you are saying is that why not do the carbon reduction because it can't hurt and might do some good. Is that it ?

Well if I am mistaken please take the time and trouble to set me right. But to answer what I believe you mean. The problem is that there is a real cost to reducing our carbon foot print. Fossil fuels make life for all of us affordable and - - - - really good.

Even you. Without using a lot of fossil fuels and emitting copious amounts of carbon, 'your' life, your standard of living will be going down, a lot.

Now you might say that you are willing to make that sacrifice. You might also say that your fellow American Citizens should be willing to make that sacrifice. We still on the same page ?

Well I think I am asking a valid question. That question is, will reducing carbon emissions do anything to stop or reverse Global Warming ? My follow up question is, can we measure that improvement if there is one ?

The strategy of the left, since the era of Karl Marx, has been to program a society they wish to conquer by changing their thinking via domination of the media and the education system, the two primary sources the public goes to for "information." This has been quietly accomplished over the last few decades, and, with the added seasonings of bogus identity politics and political correctness, has successfully caused a rift in our country -- indeed most western countries, that has brought us to the brink of societal collapse.

We Conservatives can see this clearly while the "useful idiots" who've been duped cannot, and we will continue to support the Constitution and the liberties it affords us despite the fact that many people, such as yourself, are too blind to understand that what you support could only lead to a totalitarian state whose government gets to redefine our rights according to its own whims.

Where your "90%" figure is concerned, I have to laugh -- another strategy of your leftist "opinion makers" is this "most people believe x", "most people support y" or "the vast majority of the people are going to vote for z" malarkey, employed to convince us all that we must be wrong if we don't agree with the consensus or we'd be wasting our time bothering to vote if we're not voting for the indicated "sure winner." Does Hillary come to mind?

You also misread, intentionally or otherwise, the actual reason why Trump was elected -- unlike you and your fellow travellers, the American people, whose character you obviously don't understand yet you believe your "progressive" minority is somehow qualified to speak for, had long been tired of experienced, "professional" career politicians and career government bureaucrats for whom the will and well-being of the American people are secondary to their own personal ambitions and agendas, and Donald Trump's candidacy promised an administration that would put America and Americans first for a change.

His platform blew right through those of a whole line-up of professional politicians and then emerged victorious over Hillary's because he was the candidate Americans wanted to be our next president.

You and the rest of the Trump haters can deny all you want, slander the man, his presidency and even his family, but most Americans, including increasing numbers who voted for Hillary, see that he has been faithful to his word and has either fully delivered or is fighting to deliver on his every promise.

You and your fellow anti-Trumpers can lie to yourselves and anyone else who will listen by denying, belittling or minimizing his numerous accomplishments, but most Americans are smarter than you are and know that what you "progressives" tell them isn't happening while they see that it is with their own eyes, in their 401Ks, on their pay checks or in their new jobs.

At the same time they see a Democratic Party that has done nothing over the last three years but try to undo the results of the 2016 election by accusing this president of one crime after another, a media and certain Democrat politicians actually crowing that they possess irrefutable evidence each time, only to have their accusations and innuendo disproven to the people's satisfaction. They see that this is unending, that when one attack fails it is immediately followed by another. This demonstrates that you and your fellow portsiders, who throw your every enthusiasm behind each failed attempt, behind each lie and each collection of tepid or manufactured "evidence," really, truly have not one iota of an idea as to how most Americans think. The average American has been rolling his or her eyes at each new "charge" against the president for well over a year now, wondering when your lot will finally grow up and

A) your politicians will start doing what We, the Taxpayer pay them to do and work with the Executive Branch instead of attempting to sabotage it at every turn, and

B) the mainstream media will return to the practice of real and honorable journalism and deliver fair and balanced news and information.

yes, son you did get what I intended to say... more of less..
and you do have a point with your comments above..

But....

It is not correct to say we who want a reduction in fossil fuels want to force a lower life style..

Remember the word "replacement" it means not only a removal, it also means using another form of power..
Very doable.. fought tooth and nail by the fossil fuel champions.. just like the tobacco companies of the 70 ETC..
In my own case, I elected to pay $15 extra per month on my electric bill, several years ago..

Now, my electric provider has phased out all but 2 of the coal fired plants they once used, both of these plants are on scheduled to be replaced by gas fired/renewable plants in the very near future.. 2021 for one of them..

The point is that reducing the carbon does not mean poorer living standards and I agree with you that very few people would follow if that were the case..

Also, FYI, one of my grandsons now works for a bio-fuel plant and is paid well and get very good perks. Insurance, 401k, medical.. etc etc. oh they even get meals provided by the company..

to mention, this company is rather new.. start up was in 2011 and growth has been continuous, even with trumps anti bio-fuel policy... seems they are thriving by addressing the need of today..

My personal carbon footprint is higher then I would like, mostly from heating my large over 100 year old house.. retains heat very poorly..

so efforts to drive more emission free cars, recycle/reuse/reduce are ongoing..

once more, i also think that the most effective measure remains conservation of what we use.. do not waste what we have and we will have it longer..

you use a lot of words to say very little..

You right wingers are the only people I have heard say they read a lot of Karl so I can not say much about the man you love..

Why not say it in simple terms.. "unless it comes from the focused fish wrap media enabled and created for the stated purpose of promoting the right wing extreams, you will never believe a thing"

and that media was enabled by your hero Ronnie about the same time he fled the ME after the killing of 250 marines, the kidnapping of a CIA field head and the hanging of a retired American General..
Yes! after all that, Ronnie went home, took the ships and left..

A well written answer. Which is what I always want from those I converse with because it allows me to contradict you clearly. What you describe are relatively painless changes to your lifestyle for the good of the planet. That is all very good, but to me they are useless and here is my reasoning.

Okay you have made your little contributions to the good of your cause, and I am sure you believe that if only the rest of the country would do their part, the future for your grand kids at least environmentally would be secured. Fine.

I submit that what ever good you believe you have done by lowering your carbon emissions is more than offset the increases in the American population caused primarily by immigration, legal or otherwise. I remember when I was young, they said the US population had reached 200,000,000. What is it now 330,000,000 ? It will continue to go up even with our pathetic low birthrate.

Everyone insists on filling up this big beautiful country with more and more people. Why ? Forget about coal and oil and Carbon emissions. All I see is more and more countryside, farmland, and forests black topped over so that we can have more strip malls. We obviously do not yet have enough strip malls, even though many of them have empty store fronts.

How much Global Warming is caused by more and more black top absorbing sunlight, where there once was grass and trees ? And why do we have more and more black top, and more and more ugly housing developments ? I will tell you why. Because we keep growing our population. Soon we will be like India and China.

So you just keep doing your part in keeping your carbon footprint low. I refuse.

well, I'll be darned... i do agree strongly that excessive population is the underlying problem to most of the rest.. However I do not see it as part of the immigration problem..

population is world wide and any discussion has to look at the global effects..

Yes, I think that when people move to the United States, (or any other nation) they do become the same level of consumer as the rest of us.. but it is not a zero sum at the original home. for any comparison we would have to know where they came from and the level of consumption is the home country..

It would never be a matter of no pollution to the very high level per capita of America.. they would have some measure of pollution no matter where they came from..

As you say, with our growing population, managing our carbon output becomes more and more important..

Yea, those strip malls will never stop spreading..

We need more population control that only keeping immigrants out of the country..

This NPR article is interesting.. if you pull it up it shows that your concern with immigration will be a greater factor in the future.. despite the current decline..

So you have added an interesting POV on this subject and I think keeping an eye open is a good idea..

Thanks for the post..

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/31/792737851/u-s-population-growth-in-2019-is-slowest-in-a-century

The annual population growth rate of the United States over the past year continued a decades-long decline, dropping to its lowest level in the past century.

According to newly released estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau, the U.S. population grew by 1,552,022 since 2018, an increase of one-half of one percent.

That rate of growth is slower than during the Great Depression of the 1930s, a period which had until the past decade marked the smallest expansion of the U.S. population since the overall number of inhabitants briefly dropped in 1918

Several factors help explain why the U.S. population growth rate is slowing:

Nearly the only ones clinging to the tails of trumpdom are his orange based cult members..

The proportion of Americans who are "alarmed" by global warming tripled over the last five years and is now at an all-time high, a new survey shows.

Almost 6 in 10 Americans are either "alarmed" or "concerned" by global warming, marking what researchers say is a major shift in public perception of the issue.
The survey was conducted by the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication and George Mason University's Center for Climate Change Communication, which together have tracked Americans' views on climate change since 2008.

As recently as 2014, the percentage of Americans categorized as "dismissive" of global warming was roughly the same as those who were "alarmed" -- around 11 to 12%.
But in the years since, the ranks of the "dismissive" -- those who believe global warming is not happening or caused by humans -- has fallen to just 10%.
Over the same time, the "alarmed" group -- people who are most worried about global warming and support measures to reduce heat-trapping carbon pollution -- grew to 31% of those surveyed, and today outnumber the dismissive crowd by more than 3-to-1.
The findings show that as the global climate changes rapidly, a growing proportion of Americans view the climate crisis as an actual crisis.
This new urgency felt my many Americans stands in sharp contrast to the policies of the Trump administration, which has rolled back dozens of environmental regulations, many of which were aimed at curbing climate change.

As for what could be behind the shift, Leiserowitz says there are a number of likely factors.

One, he says, is the science.
"The reports from the scientific community have become ever more dire," he said, pointing to the alarming United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 2018 report that showed the window to stem catastrophic climate change is rapidly closing as one example.
Another reason is that political leaders are talking about the issue more, and polls have shown that tackling climate change is now a top issue for many Democratic voters.

you use a lot of words to say very little..

You right wingers are the only people I have heard say they read a lot of Karl so I can not say much about the man you love..

Why not say it in simple terms.. "unless it comes from the focused fish wrap media enabled and created for the stated purpose of promoting the right wing extreams, you will never believe a thing"

and that media was enabled by your hero Ronnie about the same time he fled the ME after the killing of 250 marines, the kidnapping of a CIA field head and the hanging of a retired American General..
Yes! after all that, Ronnie went home, took the ships and left..

so you think that FOX news has been lying to every one . seems odd to me . when for 3 years every liberal
'news outlets " have told one story after another which has proven nothing but wind up being LIES . Russian collusion and bug eyed schiff three different time on the liberal "news " programs saying that there is proof or that he has proof of collusion . and all the time they have called President Trump , a racist . now it's calling for impeachment , for NOTHING . just so those bimbocrats I leadership roles can say , WE IMPEACHED HIM " but they let him off . lie after lie aand you think that FOX is the liar . seems to me that you and so many dem. followers are all brain dead or your a bunch of puppets , doing what they tell you to do and believing what they tell you to believe .

by your figures then there are 59% that have no opinion . personally , I do not believe there is a thing that us humans can do to change any thing in the environment . we were told that this was going to happen over 2020 years ago . as was said before . " there will come a time when right will be considered wrong and wrong will be considered right . also , there will come a time when men will become like women and women will become like men . " it was also mentioned that , " you can tell the changes in the weather yet you know not what time it is becoming . " where are you going ? plus your post is a dem. propaganda campaign to create a way to create a new TAX ! there are as many scientist that do not agree with this theory of global warming , if not more .

so you think that FOX news has been lying to every one . seems odd to me . when for 3 years every liberal
'news outlets " have told one story after another which has proven nothing , but wind up being LIES . Russian collusion and bug eyed schiff three different time on the liberal "news " programs saying that there is proof or that he has proof of collusion . and all the time they have called President Trump , a racist . now it's calling for impeachment , for NOTHING . just so those bimbocrats in leadership roles can say , WE IMPEACHED HIM " but they let him off . lie after lie and you think that FOX is the liar . seems to me that you and so many dem. followers are all brain dead or your a bunch of puppets , doing what they tell you to do and believing what they tell you to believe .