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Dec 18, 2019 23:00:40   #
Mikeyavelli
 
dtucker300 wrote:
You're mistaken on many things;

Bribery was not one of the Impeachment charges as there was no bribe.

The Democrats voted three times, true. But it's no secret that there were members of Congress and Congress-elect calling for impeachment before the current Congress even took office and Trump was inaugurated.

As for using his own lawyers to investigate Ukraine, Trump asked Zelensky to have his counterpart as Ukrainian AG coordinate and work with Trump's AG and DoJ. The investigation continues.

Not all of the dots have yet to be connected, revealed, nor discovered. Give it time. Let the chips fall where they may and there will be repercussions for both sides.

In the meantime, people like Ilhan Omar, who should have been jailed long ago, are still in Congress because of these distractions. Pelosi demanded that Impeachment had to be bi-partisan. All of Trump's lies pale in comparison to the whoppers Queen Pelosi tells.
You're mistaken on many things; br br Bribery was... (show quote)


Omar ain't in jail because no one has the courage to prosecute her or any member of the Obama Clinton Cabal or the New Socialist Democrats.
Not until Trump appoints a new Attorney General after the election.

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Dec 18, 2019 23:01:38   #
Mikeyavelli
 
byronglimish wrote:
When the money is flowing like a rushing river, the backbone of this country don't mind pushing the cart.

Any ol fool should at least admit that?


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Dec 18, 2019 23:04:19   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
byronglimish wrote:
When the money is flowing like a rushing river, the backbone of this country don't mind pushing the cart.

Any ol fool should at least admit that?




I'm just glad that unemployment is low because there are more people who work and contribute to my social security; a Ponzi scheme. I didn't create the system but I sure won't refuse the benefits.

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Dec 18, 2019 23:10:38   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Omar ain't in jail because no one has the courage to prosecute her or any member of the Obama Clinton Cabal or the New Socialist Democrats.
Not until Trump appoints a new Attorney General after the election.


By that time, maybe she also won't be re-elected. I don't understand how these idiots get elected in the first place. I suppose it is human nature for people to say every congressperson is a crook and wants them gone, except for their own crook.

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Dec 18, 2019 23:14:30   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
dtucker300 wrote:


I'm just glad that unemployment is low because there are more people who work and contribute to my social security; a Ponzi scheme. I didn't create the system but I sure won't refuse the benefits.


I'm still working.

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Dec 18, 2019 23:18:32   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JFlorio wrote:
The transcript is a fact. And the fact is you cannot comprehend. There was no demand. Trump used the word favor.

Please tell me you're not THAT naive. It's well known that crooks use ambiguous language to disguise their intentions. Putin has a long standing reputation for saying things without actually being literal. It's so common in fact that it finds its way into our film culture where we hear mob bosses say things like "take care of that thing"

So you really think anyone bribing a foreign government over the phone is going to make it crystal clear for all the records? No. He's going to be as vague as he can. Nowhere in that transcript do we actually see where Trump explains what that "favor" is. Obviously, he was assuming Zelensky knew what he meant without saying it.

Wow, it's just mind boggling what you folks expect us to believe. "Oh, he didn't actually say the word 'demand' so he's innocent." LOL!!!!

JFlorio wrote:

Exactly why bribery was taken out of the articles of impeachment.

Actually it wasn't. The first article is titled as "abuse of power" but that is a direct reference to bribery which IS an abuse of power.

JFlorio wrote:

Delayed aid, even though the Ukrainians say they had no idea aid was being delayed.

Oh, so all of a sudden opinions count? LOL Should I just assume than opinions that don't help Trump are without merit and the opinions that DO help Trump are gospel?

Also, saying they didn't know doesn't mean it wasn't delayed. It just means they didn't know about it. And maybe they didn't because their president didn't tell them yet. Or maybe they lied. Were they under oath when they said they didn't know?

The one thing we DO know for a fact is that OUR records show the funds were delayed. I want to say nice try but I can't really even say that.

JFlorio wrote:

News break, aid gets delayed all the time for various reasons.

Not without status reports and explanations. What we had here was an order from Trump to delay the funds without any explanation at all. Not the same thing.

JFlorio wrote:

Your problem whiner. You can’t prove the intent of said delay.

Neither of us can because we were never involved with the process, although the timing was pretty dang suspicious. But people who WERE involved can certainly provide insight through their testimonies and they did. When you add that to everything else, a picture of the truth emerges. Have you ever heard of a little thing called deduction? You might not have since so many people on the right depend on Fox to spoon feed them with pre-assembled conclusions, but deduction is a way of finding those conclusions based on available evidence.

JFlorio wrote:

As far as the child comment goes. Consider the source. You’ve lost this battle, move on.

Uh-huh... well, I know what THAT means, LOL. Better luck next time.

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Dec 18, 2019 23:24:41   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
straightUp wrote:
Uh-huh... well, I know what THAT means, LOL. Better luck next time.


I’m simply arguing the law. Just because you call it bribery doesn’t mean shit there one trick. You are basing everything on assumptions. This would never go anywhere in an actual criminal case. Nothing criminal about a delay. Nothing. He’d have had to be on the record saying you either help me get Biden or you don’t get the aid. Furthermore they got the aid and there was no investigation started into Biden. So where did Trump receive anything of value? Oh, that’s right. He didn’t. Exactly why you are full of yourself. Your opinions aren’t fact. You’re actually starting to sound dense.

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Dec 18, 2019 23:41:14   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JFlorio wrote:
I’m simply arguing the law.

No you're not. You haven't even mentioned a law or so much as a legal precedent.

JFlorio wrote:

Just because you call it bribery doesn’t mean shit there one trick.

Article II, Section 4 of the U.S.Constitution:
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

And we all know what bribery means.

JFlorio wrote:

You are basing everything on assumptions.

There are different types of assumptions. Some are baseless and some are well-founded. My assumptions which are really the assumptions of the committee are well-founded.

JFlorio wrote:

This would never go anywhere in an actual criminal case.

Actually, it would. Most cases of non-violent crime are convicted on well-founded assumptions. Look up that word "deduction" it might help you understand things a little better. I kid you not, our legal system doesn't depend on criminals giving us step by step illustrations of their crimes.

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Dec 19, 2019 00:08:04   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
straightUp wrote:
Actually, it would. Most cases of non-violent crime are convicted on well-founded assumptions. Look up that word "deduction" it might help you understand things a little better. I kid you not, our legal system doesn't depend on criminals giving us step by step illustrations of their crimes.


Actually most convictions are not based on assumptions. They are based on facts and evidence; especially white collar crime. I know what article II says. Nowhere in the articles of impeachment do I see the word bribe. Believe me, if they could prove bribery it would be in there. You are looking foolish. Unless you have a paralegal certificate I guarantee I know more law than you do one trick. Give it up.

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Dec 19, 2019 01:20:50   #
Cadillac
 
Airforceone wrote:
How come Trump has not offered any under oath testimony in defense of his Russian propaganda that it was the Ukraine that hacked our elections not the Russians.


Better question; why hasn’t Obama come forward and admitted that Russian interference on his watch. Also better yet......why haven’t the Democrats offered evidence or allowed any witnesses?

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Dec 19, 2019 01:41:42   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Cadillac wrote:
Better question; why hasn’t Obama come forward and admitted that Russian interference on his watch. Also better yet......why haven’t the Democrats offered evidence or allowed any witnesses?


There is your real Russian collusion. Obama promised Putin that after he was re-elected he would have greater latitude; all caught on an open microphone. Trump has enacted stronger sanctions and embargoes on Russia than Obama ever did. Trump has also warned the Russians to not meddle in our elections or face even greater consequences. By making America an energy exporter, Trump is hurting Russia's economy by lowering the price of oil and thus weakening Putin. This is something the environmentalists and the left don't understand.

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Dec 19, 2019 08:38:58   #
debeda
 
Cadillac wrote:
Better question; why hasn’t Obama come forward and admitted that Russian interference on his watch. Also better yet......why haven’t the Democrats offered evidence or allowed any witnesses?


Because that would illustrate that they've got NUTHIN

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Dec 19, 2019 10:08:46   #
Mikeyavelli
 
byronglimish wrote:
I'm still working.


I thought that you were retired.

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Dec 19, 2019 10:13:20   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I thought that you were retired.


Not yet.

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Dec 19, 2019 10:24:32   #
Mikeyavelli
 
byronglimish wrote:
Not yet.


Omagosh.
...it's better than you imagine.

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